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When's the best time to get pregnant? Use our interactive ovulation calculator to work out when you're most fertile and most likely to conceive.

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LittleSilver · 27/03/2010 19:44

I thought I'd start a thread for all of us who worship at the shrine of Toni Weschler, spend whole seconds analysing cervical mucus, slip over in the shower checking cervical position and spend two minutes every morning flicking their heads from side to side in a valiant attempt to stop a baby pulling the thermometer out of their mouths. Ladies, this thread is for all of us, may it see many many BFPs!

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hippychick66 · 19/04/2010 15:49

How are the charters getting on???

LittleSilver · 19/04/2010 19:32

decafgirl, any news?

hippychick I totally agree with you re early ov. Because I ov on CD19 it just takes forever to get to any decent SWIing! Am going to google the cream you mentioned as I don't have a very long LP either. But have been taking agnus castus this month and actually feel a bit crampy today (CD6), so maybe I am getting ready for an early ov.

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decafgirl · 19/04/2010 20:33

Hi ladies, bad news for me this morming I'm afraid. BFN then AF this afternoon. At least I can crack on with our next 'go' now.

It's so weird as I was still confident I could be pg as late as 5pm today as my boobs were just as they were when I was pg with DS. I was sitting in a meeting at work sure I was about to start leaking milk! That would have been a surprise for the boss!

Think I'm going off to start the February bus as the due date thingy says the 30th of Jan and I don't want to sit at the back!

Maybe it'll be lucky! Lots of love and luck to everyone still waiting xxxxx

hippychick66 · 19/04/2010 20:54

Sorry decafgirl. It's horrid when you think you might be there isn't it. My boobs have fooled me before .

I am only on day 9 but definitely think I'm ovulating (my charts seem to agree). If I have a luteal phase of 11 days I could end up with a 20 day cycle - some people don't even ovulate till then. It's very weird.

Still i've made sure the troops are in place so if I am ovulating there's not much else i can do. The only problem with ovulating this early is you hardly have time to start SWI after your period stops before you've ovulated and that's the chances all gone. Still I guess it beats having to SWI for weeks (Oh Hippy you're so flippin' romantic!)

As soon as my temp goes up I will start with the magic cream!!

Will keep you informed about the cream. Good luck to you guys.

spilttheteaagain · 19/04/2010 21:07

Sorry to hear that decaf, it sounded so promising. As you say, on to the next go & best of luck with it.

Hippychick that is an incredibly short cycle! Has the definite advantage of meaning that you get far more opportunities to get pg in a 6 month block than most of us

I'm on CD8, so probably got about a week before the real SWI starts, but getting lots of practice in now .

I need to do the whole cervix checking thing again now my period is over... funnily enough I decided I could live without that information last week!

LittleSilver · 19/04/2010 21:38

Oh decaf I am sorry, I was sure you were . I was wondering how you were doing this morning, if that doesn't sound extremely stalkerish!
hippie I am officially jealous of your cycle, I have one where I twiddly my thumbs until CD16 or so!. Talking of boobs, I had a very odd thing last month when mine, which incidentally are never sore, whether I am menstruating, pre-menstrual or pregnant, suddenly got very sore and big when I ov'd. Nowt as weird as women's bodies I guess.

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decafgirl · 19/04/2010 21:47

Thanks so much. Am just having a quick (medicinal ) glass of wine and looking forward to trying again. Just hope my cycle reverts to 33 days (I ovulate on CD20 hippy !) or I'm going to go back to the docs. I went through all this ttc my little boy. Fingers crossed it doesn't come to that! xxxx

hippychick66 · 23/04/2010 17:23

In the end I am pretty sure that I ovulated on day 11 again this month (same as last month - first post MC).

I had really bad ovulation pains whilst at work (so bad I thought I was gonna have to go to hospital - until i googled and found that some people do get really painful ovulation some months - especially after a MC apparently. And it wore off after about 3 hours maximum).

So I'm looking at about a 23 day cycle - but hopefully I'll get a BFP and have a 40 week cycle .

My chart backs up the ovulation on day 11 so i'm confident to start using the serenity progesterone cream. Will update you on how it works.

LittleSilver · 24/04/2010 11:26

Umm, girls can I have your thoughts please? My normal pre-ov temps are roughly 36.17-36.33. Today, CD11, I woke up with a temp of 36.75! Normally I ov CD18-19.

BUT. Confounding factors are as follows:

  1. I slept in 2 hours past normal wake up time
  2. CP and CM do not confirm ov. CP does seem to be preparing for ov (midway, partially open, but firm)

BUT

  1. I have been taking agnus castus this month for the first time. So have been slightly prepared for ov day to change.

Obviously only time will tell, but what would you think?

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hippychick66 · 24/04/2010 11:37

I think the key thing here is the sleeping in. Toni says in her book that your temp goes up a tenth of a degree for every half hour you sleep in(don't understand how to work that out cos I think she is dealing in f and I'm charting in c).

But, my point is. She says it goes up every half hour after your usual temping time. So that means that 2 hours could make quite a difference.

I've actually been setting an alarm for the week-end so that I take my temp at the same time as I do on work/school days cos I noticed there were some inconsistancies.

I would say though, on the off chance that agnus cactus has moved things forward you should probably grab your hubbie for a SWI just incase. But I do think that your cervical position seems to agree that you're not about to ov yet.

Does that make sense??/ help??

LittleSilver · 24/04/2010 16:36

Bless you hippie! Yes, husband is going to be shocked delighted tonight!

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hippychick66 · 24/04/2010 18:54

Keep me up to date - wont you.

Hope this is the month for all of us.

Not much to report about the prog cream.

Boobs feeling a bit tingly but then they often do for the second half of my cycle.

Will keep you up to date.

silver stop lounging around in bed and take your temp at the right time tomorrow to avoid any further confusion.

LittleSilver · 24/04/2010 19:38

OK hippie! It's my turn anyway to get up with the DDs, DH turn for lie in! Actually can you talk to me about prog cream and what it is exactly meantto do (and, umm, where does one use it? )

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hippychick66 · 25/04/2010 11:18

Well I'll give it a go silver but please remember these are just the things I've picked up here and there and I am defo not qualified at all - .

The first half of your cycle is oestrogen dominant, this hormone makes your body ovulate.

Once ovulation has taken place progesterone takes over as the dominant hormone (hence the temp rise).This is your luteal phase and can be anything from 10 -16 days long.

Progesterone is responsible for thickening up the womb lining ready for any possible embryos you may have created to implant.

If you get preg your corpus luteum (a kind of shell the egg came out of) continues to pump out progesterone to maintain the womb lining until the placenta takes over at about 12 weeks.

With me so far????

Ok, well some people find that their progesterone levels are a bit low and just as the embryo might be thinking about settling in, their temp drops and their period arrives. Adding progesterone MIGHT extend the luteal phase slightly and give the embryo more of a chance.

I don't really know why I am taking it cos when i was pregnant recently my progesterone levels were obviously fine cos my embryo managed to implant and even though I did MC the feotus only got to 8 weeks but i continued to maintain the pregnancy for a further 3.5 weeks and in fact the lining still wasn't coming away hence why i chose to have a procedure to remove it once i knew the feotus had stopped.

I think i'm taking it to cover all my bases. The consultant I saw after my MC said the cream would do no harm but he COULD NOT confirm it would do any good.

I think becuse of my age I just want to make sure I have a decent LP to allow for implantation.

The only thing people have said that can be bad about it is that it MAY sustain a pregnancy that wasn't meant to be, for example the pregnancy may be destined to only go to 5 weeks and by using the cream the woman could hold on to it til 7 weeks (just random example dates).

I have thought about this but then that's what happened to me naturally anyway. If I get another BFP I've been promised early scans so i guess it will be evident if that feotus has stopped. IYSWIM.

I had a great chat with someone on here back in december called elusivemoose and she had just used it for the first month and got a BFP, she wasn't sure whether to keep using for the first 12 weeks. She said her temp had dropped and she had been spotting but the cream had seemed to stop her period arriving. I've found her on the august anti natal thread and her pregnancy is doing fine. She used the cream til week 12 and she feels it helped her little one have time to settle in at the begining.

You use an 8th of a teaspoon (the size of a garden pea) morning and night. You rub it into somewhere where there is fat like your thighs your tops of arms, boobs, belly etc. You must alternate places. And most important you MUST be sure you have ovulated before you use it. The average dates to use it are day 14 - day 28 but of course I started using it sooner.

That's about it. Hope you haven't nodded off reading this and once again - I am not medically qualified so please don't take all this as defo - I am an old bird and i do get confused sometimes but I think it's a pretty good guide.

ps. My temp was really high this morning but I think it was cos HD was still in bed with me. He's usually got out of the bed by the time I take my temp. Either to get ready or cos he's snoring so loud i've sent him to the spare room .

I wonder if it's possible for another person (who is always bloody hot) to effect your temp. Toni doesn't mention it in her book.

LittleSilver · 25/04/2010 19:06

Thanks for that hippie, that is really informative (and bless you for typing all of that out!) May I ask what you use?

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hippychick66 · 27/04/2010 13:36

No worried silver

It's called Serenity Progesterone cream.
I bought it at www.progesterone.co.uk/.

the only problem so far is that progesterone is obviously responsible for all the pregnancy symptoms - like achey boobs, etc.

So in the last few days as well as the boobs thing I've had trapped wind (like I got when i was preg recently) and some nausea.

It's very hard to keep your feet on the ground and keep telling yourself this is the cream not a pregnancy .

hippychick66 · 27/04/2010 13:37

Meant to say "no worries"!!!!!!

LittleSilver · 28/04/2010 20:57

How's everyone doing?

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decafgirl · 28/04/2010 21:04

My temp went up this morning - really random as AF only just gone. Hoping it's an anomaly.. SWI every day this cycle well, that's the plan! I already can't be arsed...! xxx

LittleSilver · 30/04/2010 13:01

Every day *decaf? Wow. I SWI like crazy around ov day, and usually throw a couple of insurance bonks in early in my cycle so that DH doesn't think it's all "work" sex

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decafgirl · 30/04/2010 13:19

Ha ha, my plan is already failing - a friend randomly turned upp at my house last night and stayed till after 11 - needless to say sleep was the only thing on our minds....

hippychick66 · 30/04/2010 13:58

I'm with silver. I usually concentrate my efforts around the begining of the month (cos i ov early) and then I bung in a couple after ovulation so he doesn't feel used .

Good luck with every day decaf - we're all behind you - even though we can't manage it ourselves .

i'm on day 20. feeling like AF is on her way but I must confess that I also feel a bit preg too (if i try hard enough). So not really sure at all.

I had a streak of pink on day 19 (yesterday) which could have been inplantation or very very early spotting. No more spotting since. banging headache for last 2 days. temp is still up so am hoping this means good things.

Can't test yet so will just have to remain

JustShaggy · 30/04/2010 13:59

Hi ladies. My first post on this thread.

I have recently started charting in an attempt to conceive our first child; I am also using the CBFM which actually resulted in two successful pregnancies last year - miscarried both. I'm hoping charting will help me spot looming MMCs (if it happens again).

Anyway, I'm a bit worried by my previous cycle and wonder what you all think? I had five days of spotting at the end of my cycle starting on 11 DPO (CD27 of my cycle) and my luteal phase temps seemed to start falling a couple of days before that. My UCL is 29 days but this extended to a 31 day cycle before bleeding properly started.

My next/current cycle was only two proper days of bleeding, followed by four more days of spotting. This is not normal for me. What do others think it could mean?

I was wondering about progesterone issues so was very interested to read your post on progesterone cream hippychick66. Have been very nervous to try it in case it was not OK to use off the shelf???. I have written to my Gp to ask more but haven't heard back. I would be interested to know what others think.

Is there a way to share charts?

hippychick66 · 30/04/2010 14:01

By the way, i ovulated on day 11 this month so day 19 streak would fit in with inplantation but I don't want to be too hopefull.
Also don't forget I am using the prog cream so did expect a slightly longer cycle this month. All in all - I don't know what is occuring inside me. Will keep knicker checking and report back!!

LittleSilver · 30/04/2010 18:22

Welcome Shaggy! hippie that sounds very positive! What's your UCL (ie, when can we bug you to poas?)

Shaggy, I know you can share charts on TCOYF forum, but not on MN afaik.

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