To TTC or not to TTC, that is one of the many questions...

[YorkshireTeaDrinker]

Ok fellow ditherers, as we have filled up one thread (and still not made too many firm decisions) here's another one for us to continue to procrastinate and worry on.

Here's to more monitoring of relative green and redness, mutual support and occassional chivving, discussion of everything baby or not baby related, and perhaps even our first BFP...?

Because it's ever so slightly disturbing and I wondered if any of the other ditherers had come across it. It's Naomi Woolf's account of her pregnancy, childbirth and the impact becoming a mother had on her identity and her marriage.

Have just bought it on Amazon. Watch this space...

I'd rather have the Louboutins, black patent round toed court with lipstick red soles

Go ahead, pinch away, there is a lot if source material you could base it on! One of my favourites thread quotes is 'Id like a baby but I also like having full control of my bowels'. Or maybe that's a bit much for a wedding mag?

Too much for a wedding mag, unfortunately. Work a bit for Cosmo Bride and it's even too much for that!

Red soles I like. Not that I own any, mind, but I do love the look. Only wish I could wear heels in a effortless way instead of looking as if I have my mum's shoes on...

I'd be very interested in hearing your thoughts on it, confused. I should warn you though, it is not exactly therapeutic reading for ditherers! I pull it out and have a read whenever I get too green for my own liking!

I have it in my basket on Amazon, and didn't know whether to read it or not. I do have 'Making Babies: Stumbling into Motherhood' by Anne Enright. It's in the same vein, and is a bit controversial too. The description of labour and the lack of sleep is chilling.

Just looking at reviews and looking forward to reading it. I think... Will Google the one you mentioned too HP (although won't order it just yet, might get carried away!)

OMG, Cosmo Bride???? Seriously, C, Ive been a mag addict since I was 12! My dream would be to sod cardiovascular research and do in depth foundation tests for In Style. Maybe in my next life! Or the one after that because next time I want to be a ballet dancer.

Indeed! I was at a mag which was the sister publication of You and Your Wedding which then got relaunched as Cosmo Bride, hence the Cosmo connection.

Being a beauty ed is FAB - the freebies are incredible! It's even better than being a travel ed as you don't have constant jet lag and have to spend all your time at 5 star hotels smiling politely at PR people.

Making Babies

"It has been 45 minutes since I realised that I could not do this any more,' she writes of her wait for an epidural anaesthetic, 'that the pain I had been riding was about to ride over me, and I needed something to get back on top, or I would be destroyed by it, I would go under - in some spiritual and very real sense, I would die."

Shudder!

It gets better. The bit that stuck with me was when she is sent to have a shower, post birth. She feels what has happened to her lady-bits and faints.

Dear god! Why are we even having this conversation? We must be out of our minds to even consider it.

is this the Naomi Wold book or the other one?

Freebies? Oh yes. Me and S stayed here - the pic titled luxury villa with pool is the same view as the one me and S took with ourselves in the forground. And we had SO many free Clarins / Molton Brown etc etc toiletries to take with us it was ridiculous.

Hmm, no wonder there are too many people wanting to get in the same business...

The Anne Enright. I haven't read the Naomi Wolf one yet.

These books and our feelings about them are the reason we are on this thread, not the Waiting to TTC one!!!!

That hotel is Un.Be.Lievable. The last trip I got out of work was staying in insect infested shower-over-the-loo halls of residence with blood stained sheets in London. Seriously. No wonder the mag game is a competitive one. Saying that, so is the science game, that trip had a waiting list of people to attend!

At least you are still able to consider it!!

I unwittinging put both Misconceptions and Making Babies into my Amazon basket, thinking they would be an interesting read and I could possibly contribute an alternative perspective to the ensuing debate. And then you start quoting the birth trauma bits.

And its too late for me to change my mind!!!!

The other one. I have just ordered it. Will report back!

And, on the same holiday, we stayed in one of these too. Princess Margaret's favourite villa, if you please.

Oh dear. Shouldn't have Googled those places as it reminds me of simpler times (can't say happier, but it def is simpler).

Yes, HP, youth is most certianly wasted on the young!

I like to keep my options open HP, that's why I'm on both threads!

To put this in perspective, I have no had any other freebies of that ilk! We did have an offer of a weekend in Edinburgh but had split up and I didn't want to go on my own or with a friend and then it was too late. Also, trust me, when paying I've stayed in some utter shitholes!

My options are open too! Terminably it seems...

Up until that point I had been merrily chuckling my way through the last two pages of posts. Feeling greatly cheered by LST's relatively good news - I like teh sound of round one being an eveluation round and they'l be able to hit you with an extra dose of clomid (or whatever it is they use fo folicle stimulation) in the next cycle. I can't remember where I read it, but I think there is a fair amount of evidence to suggest it generally takes about three cycles to get a BFP.

Am massively impressed that Confused works for Cosmo Bride. How cool is that? I think there is definate mileage in a novel based around a bunch of ditherers assembled in a popular parenting website (Mumsnet has a certain media cachet at the moment - a novel based in Mumsnet would definately pique literary agents' interest) wondering whether to have kids or not. Action can be on or off line, known or unknown to the protagonists. Plenty of variation in narrative structure. i think its a winner. Combined with an impossibly glamerous bench scientist as heroine - what's not to like.

Right, that's Confused sorted, who's next?

Oh, YTD, cancel them, for the love of kittens, cancel them.

I too am spending a lot of time yearning for simpler times. Sigh. Stupid young people and their stupid oodles of time

Anyway, I'm off to bed. As always, thanks for the chats. Night all.

ps HP me and S splashed out on a lovely meal at the Ladera, champagne and the works, and it was so tranquil and beautiful - AND THEN VANESSA FELTZ TURNED UP!