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IVFers thread

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TheMNPeacekeepingForce · 23/12/2007 18:51

Anyone fancy starting an ongoing thread for those who are having IVF/ are planning to try again via IVF soon?

Ds was conceived via IVF - he's now 2.6 and we're stepping back on the scary rollercoaster ride with a FET - I started taking the drugs yesterday!

OP posts:
coggy · 31/01/2008 20:37

Glad to hear that you had a lovely weekend Sticki.
I have yet to experience the delights of the discharge!!
Sounds marvellous!!!

Hope your injecting starts smoothly tomorrow.

SaveScrabulous · 31/01/2008 22:42

Hi again
Quick question - how long are you guys going to wait before testing??

My clinic says 16 days after ET - but given I had a day 6 transfer that would be silly!

Last time I tested at what would be 10 days post ovulation with an early response kit - and it showed up faintly - the lines then got stronger as I retested each day!

Just wondering what you all think you will do and how long I can hold off from testing.

I might try testing on sunday or monday - albeit I am aware i might get a false negative or indeed a faint positive that then fades if things don't continue....

Sticki · 01/02/2008 09:53

Soosy - great news about your 2. Well done.

SS - I cant really help with testing. Ive never got past 10 or 11 days with out AF coming. Im pretty phobic about testing so Im not sure I will this time until Im pretty sure of a good answer. Do what you feel is right for you. (I know the 16 days is ridiculous!)

Feel like Ive been run over by a truck today after my 1st injection... very tired. So busy trying to minimise energy expenditure!

Have a good day. Good luck to everyone at their clinics today, and with the 2ww.

TheRedQueen · 01/02/2008 11:50

Hello and very best of luck to everyone on this thread. I have my fingers (and everything else!) tightly crossed for you all.

I hope no-one feels I am crashing the thread, but I am scheduled for IVF next month and I would appreciate some thoughts from those with experience as to whether you think you would go ahead in my circumstances ? basically without the emotional support of your partner. Here?s the (rather long) story:

DH and I started TTC our first child seven years ago. Two years later we saw a fertility specialist who diagnosed unexplained infertility on my side. He suggested chlomid, which seemingly didn?t work, and we were then told to consider IVF. We were shocked, but were saved from making a decision as I unexpectedly got pregnant ?naturally? in the first month off chlomid. Our DD was born in mid-2005 and we agreed to start TTC a second child straight away. However, three years and eight rounds of chlomid later, there has been no BFP and IVF is now back on the table.

The problem is that ? as time has gone on - my husband has become indifferent towards having a second child and now provides little, if any, emotional support. I notice it most in the little things ? the lack of a hug even when he knows my period has arrived, the fact that he never asks how things are going, etc. We discussed his feelings at length in November, and I know the reasons for them and sympathize with some of them. As I explained to him at the time though, I still need his active emotional support in trying to get pregnant again because ? sadly ? it still involves the same practical and physical discomfort and emotional rollercoaster as the first time round. He acknowledged this and matters improved in the very short term. However, it is clear that the leopard isn?t going to change his spots.

Most of the time, I can deal with the situation. But I also have days when it gets to me and I feel like I am going it alone and that he is letting me down. Sometimes I wonder if I am being unreasonable in what I expect from him ? he is in no way a selfish or inconsiderate man generally; other times I think he is unrealistic and uncaring to think he can be prepared to father a second child but ignore the practical realities of infertility for me.

And because of all this, I don?t know what to do about IVF. The treatment start date is fast approaching, I really want to at least try for a second child and, at 39, I feel like each passing month is too precious to lose. Some days I think I can get through it ?alone? ? I have managed so far. But on other days, IVF feels like such an enormous step compared to simple hormone treatment (is it???), and I want the feeling that we are both in it together. I worry simply about being able to let off steam. I worry about coping with high dosage fertility drugs when even low dosages make me very volatile and unhappy. I worry about the treatment not working and ending up feeling that the loss isn?t truly shared. And then I get to worrying what effect that might have on our relationship ? but then equally about what the effect might be of not going ahead and regretting it ? and possibly resenting him for it - in years to come.

I would appreciate anyone?s thoughts. I have looked for support elsewhere, but there isn?t really anyone, whether parents, siblings, friends, etc. And apart from that, I am not sure anyone could replace my husband.

soosy · 01/02/2008 11:58

I have been told to test 14 dpt but I have had a three day transfer. Usually your af would arrive 14 days after ovulation, so you could test then. If I make it to 14 days after transfer I will probably be pg.

I have in the past had tests in the house waiting, but this time I am not even going to buy any unless I get to valentine's day without AF! So I'm pretty much like you Sticki. Plus I did an earlier test once (2nd attempt after DS) and had a faint positive, but then had af a few days later, too much disappointment for me.

Sticki, what are they giving you! hope you have understanding DH to look after you, mine thinks he is on holiday when he comes home during treatment and potters about, he got drunk on wed night and had hangover, so utterly useless at looking after ds while i went for transfer and acupuncture.

Coggy I hope all goes well at clinic today.

SS hope 2WW going calmly.

soosy · 01/02/2008 12:12

Hello Red Queen you are not crashing, I am sorry you feel abandoned by you DH. I have to say though, that my husband who loves me dearly, is a bit like that. He can't cope with the day to day dealing with fertility treatment and so it doesn't really get mentioned unless there is news! My DH never knows when my period is and I have to say that we tried for 7 years for our DS (10th ivf attempt) and the sex has dropped off a lot, like a few times a year.

Fertility treatment takes its toll and perhaps your DH is reacting the only way he knows how. Plus to be honest having a child so many years together means there is a huge shift in your relationship. Some men do feel pushed out when the longed for baby does appear, and I was guilty of this, sometimes you don't want to share this bundle you have waited so long for, and you think they can't look after them as well as you.

I think also they have no idea what is oging on. My Dh this attempt, 14th btw, asked me to help him with some work from the office,(I used to work in the same business) and I had to tell him that I had just had my ovaries stabbed twenty something times with a needle about the size of a knitting needle so i wasn't really in the mood.
I don't want to sound too biased towards your DH. I hope this helps, the male beast is different to us, and in most ways I find mumsnet and female friends a good support during treatment. good luck and go for it, you never know your DH may really surprise you.

TheRedQueen · 01/02/2008 12:45

Thanks Soosy - 14th attempt? I don't know whether to admire you greatly and take it that it can't be all that bad, or to think all the drugs must simply have addled your brain along the way!!

You are right about DH simply being weary of TTC. He is - and rightly so - it has governed our lives for years and getting back on the horse is not much fun.

I don't think he has ever felt pushed out by DD though. That's me if anyone! There is no doubt that he is the more natural parent (he would kill to be a SAHD for a while if finances allowed it!). If anything, I think he may have backed off the idea of a second child because he rather likes giving his all and everything to DD and would rather not disturb the equilibrium.

I suppose what I am struggling with is the change in his attitude to the process since the first time round. He was so supportive and understanding - always knew what was happening when and did everything he could to keep the pressure off. And now things have got more serious and he has backed off. But you are right that I shouldn't underestimate him - he may well surprise me once we are underway.

AuntieMeemz · 01/02/2008 15:44

TRQ
I wanted to share something with you. I was once in a situation, just about to have IVF and DH was in a bad, bad way emotionally. After days of agonising debate, we went ahead. My resaon was that things change,and can change again. If all is not peffect, you can make it work.

It was the best decision of my life.

EHM · 01/02/2008 16:00

Hi I 've been trying to read the thread & have responses for everybody. Sorry If I miss anybody, I am not being rude just losts of posts & lots of new names for me.

Thank you for all your warm welcomes.

SSGlad transfer went well. Hope you can rest as much as ds allows. Normally around 2 weeks from transfer we had blood tests. I was tested 10 days after transfer with Ellie as I done home pregnancy test on day 9 as I felt very odd.
CoggyGood Luck for Monday.
OnlyaPhase-Good luck too for Monday.
soosyglad all went well.you are very strong 10 attemtps & now on to your 14th wow!
Sticki Hope injections get easier for you.I must admit they make be tired too I started them on Tuesday.
worryM fingers x & hope 2ww goes very quicly for you.
Hi to theredqueen I think that men find the whole process hard to deal with. They can't understand how you are feeling. My dh gives me my injections so he could feel more involved.I also think they are less emotional as a breed so deal with things more inwardly. Hope things go well for you. DH & I did do for counsilling before we recommenced IVF would have been our 4th attempt. This helped greatly we found we where both more 'opened' with each other. I can recommend the therapist if you wish.

Have a great weekend everybody

trace2 · 01/02/2008 16:06

hi just wanted to wish you all good luck!

coggy sweety hows you? and good luck on monday

worrymerchant · 01/02/2008 16:43

Hi everyone... it seems as though I just have to blink and there is a whole load more news to catch up on!!

I had a nightmare day yesterday.. began at 2.30am, DS ill with abdo pain, rush to doctor. Told: watch for it to get better (then prob gstritis) or worse (then prob appendicitis), had to leave him with mum (felt guilty) while went to clinic for blood test, stuck in traffic, arrived 1 hour late, tearful, and forgot to ask all my questions. What a nerd.

Back home DS neither better nor worse.. but up again last night at 2am. AM shattered ... what day of the week is it?

I wish every one of you the best for whatever stages you are all at...

TRQ - perhaps DH is simply afraid. Men rarely like to show their vulnerability. They think the old head in the sand routine far more winning. Actually that's just another way of saying they can be quite selfish at times. This is a terribly emotional process and you will go through all the extremes over and over, so dont agonise too much. You got it right when you said that you might regret things if you didnt go ahead. Living with regrets is the worst possible outcome.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Onlyaphase · 01/02/2008 20:07

Goodness, what a lot to catch up on

SS - I tested early after IVF last time, on what would have been 12days past ovulation/EC - but I kept needing a wee in the middle of the night so suspected something was up anyway. Would probably do the same again if I had any suspicions, else would leave it until 14 days post transfer.

TRQ - I read your post with mixed feelings. My DH is lovely, and a source of great support should I need it, but I find it easier to deal with things on my own most of the time. This time around for IVF I've done all the injections and scans on my own - he came to the initial consultation only - and he will be away on business for 2 weeks shortly after potential embryo transfer. TBH I'm happy with this and it is what I want....apart from the business trip. First time around though DH did all the injecting and came to every scan, but we are more relaxed about it this time, plus have childcare to deal with too. Your point about regretting it if you don't go ahead now is the clincher - time isn't on your (or my!) side, so best crack on while you can.

Clinic again today, EC on for Monday morning. It just seems to be happening so quickly - don't forget I downregged on the pill this time so only started injecting a week ago today, and EC is upon me already. Has made the whole IVF process a lot more painless and it hasn't taken over my whole life like it did last time

Sure there is something else I meant to say!

coggy · 01/02/2008 20:43

Hi Trace.....thanks for chasing me up!
Hope you and youir lovely Chloe are all okay.

My scan today was not brilliant....as I had feared. My lining is only 7.1mm and I only have 6 smallish follicles. Instead of EC on Monday I now have to go for another scan to see how much they have grown.

I have an army of people praying for my follicles now!!!!!

onlya phase....obviously your body has behaved itself unlike mine!!
How many follicles (and what size) did your scan show today...hope you don't mind me being nosey but I've not really got any experience/ knowledge about how much and so on.....I was so impressed by soosy's 17 that I feel a bit fed up.

coggy · 01/02/2008 20:45

worrymerchant.....I hope you get some more sleep tonight. You and your poor ds.

SaveScrabulous · 01/02/2008 20:56

Worry - hope your ds is starting to get better.
OAP (couldn't resist calling you that!) good luck for Monday. Why are you on the shorter protocol?
It sounds much less drawn out.

I think I will test on day 14 unless I get an inkling something is going on in which case I might test from day 11 (Monday!!! Can't believe it would be so soon - having day 6 embryos transferred certainly cuts down that 2 week wait). Last time I had a heightened sense of smell and some other little symptoms and so decided to test early like Only a Phase.

Coggy - I will say more follies prayers for you too (and I'm not even religious!)

TRQ - this is a tricky situation isn't it. I agree counselling might be a good move - do you think dh would be happy to do that though?

Have a lovely weekend everyone and get ready for another drugs/ follicle/ embryo/ positive test packed week!

coggy · 02/02/2008 09:49

Thanks SS....my follicles and I appreciate it!!

I also lurve the OAP!!!!!
So much faster to type......but much less polite!!!

Why did they do your transfer on day 6...does it give the embryos/blastocysts (?!) more chance?
The more I find out the more confused I get as everywhere is SO different in what they do!

I also assumed that I would test 14 days after transfer. I wasn't even going to take when the EC was into account. Yet another thing learnt!!

Onlyaphase · 02/02/2008 10:57

Am feeling so thick today it took me ages to work out the OAP thing! Now I'm just sitting here giggling at my stupidity instead...

WM - hope your DS is Ok now

Coggy - sorry about your scan - I do find it odd the way clinics all vary in what they do. If things had followed the plan I would have had 5 separate scans and blood tests after the baseline scan so they could adjust doses and dates accordingly - as it is I have only had 3. Yesterday my follicles were behaving themselves and I had about 8 over 15mm and maybe 6 or so smaller ones that probably won't catch up. Whether they can get to all 8 follicles is another matter as my right ovary is hiding behind a loop of bowel. Frankly I'm delighted that I have any at all. Oh, also my clinic have lowered my dose of puregon 3 times now, so I have £800 worth of it sitting unused in the fridge.

SS - I didn't take buserelin injections this time around as OAP + Buserelin = Screechy Grumpy OAP. Would recommend this approach of using the pill, has honestly made IVF so much shorter and less life-invasive. Oh, and best of luck for testing soon - any random symptoms yet?

worrymerchant · 02/02/2008 11:25

hi, thanks everyone, DS still poorly, but we think not appendicitis as pain moved in wrong direction. is now settling in left side of abdomen. but we had a better night last night.

having said that i have not had a good morning. Feel wuite tetshy, but then DH really upset me by saying is probably PMT. i just feel quite light headed and am getting sharp twinges in abdomen. also my temp is up. Dont know what to make of it all. Any ideas?

Coggy - plenty of time for things to develop over the weekend... remember i was told similar at my first scan and 2 days later it was a different story..i went from having 3 follicles to seven. one small and 2 good, to 4 large and 3 smaller. KEep thinking positive, you still taking the meds and so they still have time to do their job. x

nomoremagnolia · 02/02/2008 14:10

Praying for your follicles/lining coggy

coggy · 02/02/2008 14:27

Thank you WM....I think it's just because it's my first (and potentilly only) go that I am flapping a bit!!
That's amazing about how different yours were...I had forgotten actually.
I guess as everyone says...it only takes one.

I hope you're feeling better this afternoon...perhaps it's the tiredness. I'm no help on temps and pains I'm afraid...sorry. But I do hope it's all good for you.
X

It is bizzare all these differences isn't it OAP (can we call you that now pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease??!! ). I was due to have only the one scan throught the whole thing! No lowering dosages etc for me....they expected it to have worked and then go for it! Mind you...I'm pretty glad that I haven't been booked in for lote of tracking scans as I live 1 1/2 hours away form the clinic and it's a right faff keep having to make the journey for a 10 minute appointment!
What a PIA about all of your wasted drug too.
I don't suppose any of that would be refunded or bought off you either form what's been said before.

My follicles and lining don't know how lucky they are!!!! Thanks nomore.

soosy · 02/02/2008 15:50

coggy, sorry about your scan, but follicles and linings can pop up in a few days so don't panic yet. Eat Chicken soup and drink water lots as it helps the follicles grow ( they are full of fluid). Maybe some ginger for circulation and could you get some acupuncture? Willing bigger follicles and thicker lining for you

oap I hate the buserlin too, I didn't do any downregging instead just started with gonal f on d 3 and then when follicles get to +/- 15 mm start cetrotide to stop ovulation, much less stressful and quicker. I don't know why clinic don't do this more, I think it's because it is harder to manipulate than with buserlin. Mean really.

SS my god I can't believe you can test on Mon, my transfer (3day I know) was only a day after yours and I thought we would be testing closer together! Going to hang on til the 14th if I can so only 12 days to go! We are trying to sell our house at the moment, god am I mad! Actually, thought IVF would be over before they started viewings but..... So in a way iat is probably better I don't think about testing until 14th otherwise I will worry about everything!

Onlyaphase · 02/02/2008 16:02

Am happy to be OAP now!

Coggy - for what its worth, my clinic was telling me that lining and follicles develop in their own time and you should reach the same result sooner or later. Drinking lots of milk apparantly helps egg quality as well, I guess it is the protein and fluid intake again.

WM - I think your twinges are good news - temp and fever not sure - did your clinic give you antibiotics after ET to rule out any infection? Hate to ask this in case you say no, and start worrying needlessly. Can you remember how you felt in the very early stages of pregnancy last time?

I'm using the same small clinic in Essex as I did last time, and we only live 15 minutes awa, plus parking is very easy there. Scans last time were a NIGHTMARE, trying to get to work in the City afterwards on the train and never being able to get a scan at the time I wanted. So much easier this time as I haven't actually gone back to work. Am lucky there is a decent clinic near me, would really hate to travel a long way to one
for all these appointments.

Hope everyone else is having a good weekend

coggy · 02/02/2008 22:32

Wow 15 minutes away from your clinic OAP....fantastic!
I guess that takse some of the stress out of getting there and back.

I am sitting here drinking a mug of milk as I type, also drunk 2 1/2 litres of water today. Guess I'm going to have a busy night keep going to the loo then!!!
I've actually trying to drink 2 litres a day for the past few weeks in preparation for the IVF.

I am pleased to say that I feel much more confident again tonight as I can feel quite a lot of aching where I guess my ovaries are. Weird how now discomfort is a good thing!!!

Lots of us seemed to be so close together....now SS could test on Monday, Soosy in 12 days....it's going to be an exciting and nerve wracking few weeks I think.

Blimy....just realised...this Monday?????
That's only 3 days away...........
That is a quick 2WW!!!!!!

SaveScrabulous · 02/02/2008 23:29

Yes Coggy re discomfort being a good thing - I've had a few headaches today and yesterday which can happen in early preg and so instead of being fed up about them am quite happy - even though they might JUST be headaches and I might not be pregnant.

I guess my 2ww is rather short!! A less than 1ww if I test early! With the 6day embryos if you add even a week that takes you to the equivalent of 13dpo...makes it a lot shorter.

Coggy - hope you aren't up and down to the loo all night. That is a lot of fluid to drink (good practice for the embryo transfer if you need a full bladder!!)

Someone asked about why they were transferred on day 6. All our embryos were taken to day 5 (i.e. into blastocysts) as our clinic felt we had enough embryos to do this and it increases success rates as only the stronger ones survive to this stage. Then the ones they didn't use last time were frozen on day 5 so by the time they were defrosted and transferred we were told it was the equivalent of day 6.

OAP - love your grumpy OAP comment. I guess this name is going to stick. But I love your full version - so very true!

Soosy - you have two great quality embryos in there don't you. Fascinating that the acupuncture seems to have helped with quality. I really believe it made a difference to our fresh cycle although because it was our first I have absolutely no proof!
How are you feeling?? I'm sure last time I started to feel a bit funny maybe 8 or 9 days post ovulation (or the equivalent) so am starting to symptom spot now - a bad habit!! I have bought the First Response pregnancy tests ready but kept receipts in case I don't get that far!

Hi to everyone else.

soosy · 03/02/2008 08:45

oh god SS you are so full of optimism. I wish I could be too, I don't have any crampy ovaries, but didn't for my last pg (did for 1st pg) and am trying not to symptom spot as I didn't have any last time . Am feeling v tired, but that could be down to my ds being awake most nights since I have had transfer. He has a bit of a cold, but I think he is all a bit at sea as daddy is at home and mummy keeps disappearing for a bit, so I think he is waking to make sure I am still here. But it makes everything not quite so restful.