Symptom Spotters Anonymous (egg spotting or implantation spotting let's have your symptoms)

[digitalgirl]

New 2ww thread, have brought over mince pies and mulled wine and put up some fairylights

Come in, take your heels off and get cosy!

morning everyone!

CONGRATULATIONS poppysocks
and have i missed something? i thought i'd read that twilight got a faint bfp too, is that right twilight or ahve i picked up the wrong end of the stick from your post from last night??? i am very tired following my nightshift again but not back tonight - woohooo

abbey ov pain is more commonly felt on the right than the left and can be quite bad, but you do right to get it checked if it's longlasting and horrendous.

sorry for your bfn digital

morning mot and gg - well i'm out for this month, af showed up yestersay as thought so no surprise there cracking onto cycle 13. can't really be bothered to think about it, really brassed off, but think that it may also be af talking, very weepy about lot's of things not just af. hormones all over the place. definitely up for a hormonectomy excitable don't think they do those on the nhs (obviously they would need to leave some hormones to make pgcy possible. haven't decided whether i'm going to have a ttc break or not. it's easy to say that on vd2 but come ov time then 2ww i can't help thinking about it, think i am going to cart myself off to the caravan, sack it, i'm going straight to the hut[sad snivel snivel

sorry for the me me me rant, perhaps i'll feel better after a sleep.

morning all,
I didn't go out on the lash last night as was still very depressed. so DH took me to see Golden Compass, which was nice and distracting. nearly fell apart blubbing at the mastercard ad, the one where families meet at the airport

abby how are your pains?
I got woken up early this morning with the most awful backpain on my left side, I thought my kidney was about to explode! had to crawl to the bathroom to get some water. wondered if this was a new type of AF cramp. managed to soothe it and fall asleep again.

but still, no AF. I got it wrong and FF is asking me to 'please take a test' today as I have had 18 days of high temps. but I'm sure BFNs don't turn into BFPs overnight. specially this late in the game.

Glad to hear ladies are getting strong ov signs. You're all getting in tune with your bodies, girls. Get thee to a bedroom and get bd'ing!

bucky Well if it isn't Maid Marian it's Alice in Wonderland. And what's wrong with looking like Alice at xmas time? I'm sure you look great, keep the dress and buy some lovely accessories to go with it! Maybe not an Alice band tho!

Hi All - congrats to poppysocks what a fab Christmas pressie!!

Sorry to those captured by TEW

Well I am on cd22 here and have zero symptoms My cycles vary between 28 & 32 days so there is still time..

Am off to my works party tomorrow night at a swanky hotel . That will help speed up the 2ww, what with drinking and making merry followed by the inevitable hangover (although I can't be too ill on Sunday as dd is going to a dance party in the afternoon and can you imagine how bad that would be???)

santasmissus so so sorry AF got you. But hopefully you can put it behind you all in a few days time and look forward to the next cycle.

Congratulations Twilightsurfer!

A line is a line as you all keeping saying and my faint line yesterday was still there today so I'm taking it that I am pg. .

Hope all goes well this afternoon with the GP GG.

Sorry to hear TEW got you Santasmissus.

Think you should do another test DG....

I'm off this afternoon for nearly a week with little/no PC access, but will pop in you when I can and hope to see some more BFPs. Fingers crossed for you all!

dg, 18 dats of high temps, don't lie honey, i think that you should take another test??? Maybe after you get your bloods back??? will they give any indication??xxx

Ps morning everyone else xxxx

there's no point in testing...

Atilla is much wiser than me when it comes to irregular/long cycles and she's just told me that you can get 18 days plus of high temperatures even without ovulating.

I feel sick at the thought of how hopeful I've been this cycle, deluding myself with symptoms and temperatures and smiley opks. When all along I've not even had the one thing you need to get pregnant.

This gynae appointment cannot come soon enough.

DG - sorry to hear you're having a dificult time .

I'm still in pain. Rang NHS direct - paracetamol and rest, with no suggestions of what it could be. I think it's a bit hard for them to diagnose over the phone. They said if it doesn't improve to the dr with me. DH said I've been doing paracetamol and rest since yesterday afternoon, so I've now booked in to the dr at 4.10 this afternoon. I feel like I'm wasting people's time! It hurts, and I couldn't stand up last night, but its manageable. It's just at a bizarre time. Would ov pain last for an entire day or more? It's stabbing in the front and aching in the back. I bet it's my brain playing hideous tricks on me.

DG please don't be . You don't know for sure there was no egg. I'm guessing I am hatching eggs and I haven't had a BFP yet. Maybe it just hasn't happened for you yet? Your results will help, but please don't feel too down until you have hard facts. In the meantime, I will make it my duty to cheer you up tomorrow .

DG In the meantime I am sending and a present

Afternoon everyone

GG at your DH. Mine is also petrified of rodents and our mogs seem to delight in bringing them in alive and dropping them at his feet . Muggins here has to catch them which I really don't mind. The best moment was when I came home to find out our eldest mog had caught a baby rabbit and DH had managed to trap it in box but was too freaked out to rescue it. It was so adorable as i cuddled it when taking it back out to the field behind our house.

Poppysocks CONGRATULATIONS !!!

Well, my AF is on it's way. Spotting yesterday and today, but not enough for a liner or tampon (sorry, tmi .

Just found out my employer is putting a well being room in the building. Might have to look into that to see if they do any nice relaxing reflexology .

Waves to everyone!

thanks for my choccies bucky i'm going to wipe away the tears and go for a walk, then lunch with dh.

looking forward to seeing you girls tomorrow. have we've picked a venue yet?

DG please don't be too sad. We'll cheer you up tomorrow and I know how hard it can be. I had a meltdown at the beginning of the week, but feel much better now, so the overwhelming feelings will pass. It is good to have a cry, but please stay positive. Thinking of you

Congratulations twighlightsurfer! Forgot to say before!

dg sorry to be so insensitive earlier telling you to test, i feel a bit of a prat now

I really hope you had a nice lunch with dh and am sending you a massive hug xxx

Abby best of luck at the docs, hope they sort you out fast xxxxx

Update time - I went to the doctors and I thought he was great to talk to and I managed to say all I wanted to say, but he said I should go away and keep trying . Now I feel awful. like I've been hysterical and over-reacted. His exact words were "come back at Easter then we'll see then. i really hope to see you before then pregnant though". He said that 90% of couples get pregnant after 12 months of actively trying, 5% after that and 5% don.t. So after 12 months, statistically, I've now got a 5% chance of getting pregnant

He asked a lot about what I'd been doing to monitor fertility, my cycles (like clockwork) and he went into my and DH's sexual history with other partners too and said we were doing everything right, which I sort of knew. Then he talked about chlamydia - the implication being, I suppose, that if it is me "at fault", hormonal issues are unlikely to be to blame, so that leaves the possibility of scarred/blocked tubes, which has made me feel so worried and . Could that be it? Feel tearful and hollow - I thought would be some sort of process started. Called DH and I could tell he is worried now, but he could be overheard by colleagues so didn't say much. He now thinks this is down to him because his swimmers aren't working or that my "wild past" is catching up with me, but I don't have a wild past

I'm going to go and get a glass of wine and wait for DH to come home. We are supposed to be going out for dinner tonight to friends...and their 4 week old daughter. I am in agony.

oh GG I have snuck on a friend's PC while waiting for her to finish work...but I had to post when I saw what you'd written.

I can't believe your doctor wouldn't at least humour you with some blood tests to completely rule out hormone imbalances. I think you should call him back up and ask to be referred to a gynae/fertility specialist like I did. Demand it.

I've noticed that some of the bigger Boots sell home sperm testing kits. Perhaps you could pick up one of those for DH.

You are NOT being hysterical nor are you over-reacting. You've given it the 12 month standard.

Lets make sure we go somewhere tomorrow with really really nice wine. I've got dinner with my PG friend in the evening after seeing you girls (the one that fell pg on her honeymoon in Aug).

I wish I could say more to make you feel better. Having spent most of today on the verge of tears I know how empty and numb this whole game can make you feel. I have to go now, but like you told me, have a good old cry and let it all out before that 4 week baby comes round and then don't forget to cuddle it because holding new-borns is supposed to increase your fertility!

dg xxx

GG my heart goes out to you, i wish i had a magic wand to help make you feel better.. please enjoy a big glass of wine tonight and have lots of fun with the mn girls tomorrow...

Sending you a wish i could make it better big hug xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

thanks annie and DG - I know you guys understand and I am so sorry when you feel down too . We've all had a knock recently and it's so hard, but it will get better - I am an optimist by nature, so I get confused when i feel down too IYKWIM . I will be positive again . It just didn;t go as I wanted it to and instead of reassured i feel like there have been a lot of other thinsg opened up, but only for us to brood on.

where are we meeting tomorrow DG and Bucky - did we decide? I promise I will be on great form . A place with excellent wine is a great idea! There is a wine bar called Vats on Lambs Conduit Street WC1 and a good gastro pub a bit further up called Perseverance, but I am happy to meet anywhere that suits

x-posts with sarah - thanks, hon. wine has been poured. Things seem a tiny bit better with a wee glass of vino and you ladiesand you support.

p.s. I haven't forgotten that there have been loads of happy stories too recently - poppysocks shazza twilight. Keep posting here - we need you guys

annie I do have health insurance through work. I am doing some investigating about whether it would cover TTC problems.

DG and GG I'm so glad that you're going to be meeting up. You need people around you that understand. I've nearly been in tears reading both your posts this week.

I am happy to commit violent acts on the person of your GP on your behalf, GG. It makes me so mad

I think anniemac's advice of looking after yourself is spot on. No wonder it's starting to get to you after so long.

I think I might get that book. I spent a long time on Fertility Friend last night and got really worried about my cycles when I found I'd been counting them wrong. I now find that I've had 3 cycles and they've been 43 days, 28 days and 45 days. This looks like a worrying pattern to me and means that I have no clue when I'm likely to ovulate this month.

And yet, and YET, on day 15 or whatever it is (haven't checked yet) I'm still convincing myself I'm pregnant. Fertility Friend says it thinks my cycle will end in the new year so it looks like I'm dreaming of a dry christmas. The evidence of past efforts is against it though!

well i don't feel much better after a kip but reading through the thread it seems like there's quite a few of us a bit blue at the moment. it is sooo hard this isn't it? i hate that af symptoms mask pg symptoms so well. i don't have anything to say perhaps we all beed a bit of a distraction, if anyone can think of anything?

sorry everyone else is aswell

WE WILL BE CHEERIER TOMORROW