Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?

[moly39x]

Been doing some research on soy isoflavones & I didn't know what people's opinions are?

I have a 35 day cycle, ovulate between CD17-21 - currently 7th month in of TTC after 1 early loss at 5 week in October.

Do people have any experience with taking them? I read the following on an old thread here about with CD to take them..

My concerns are; I have little/none EWCM (have conceive plus lube) but I get positive OPK every month (temping just stressed me out which I decided would do more harm?!) and I'm sure soy iso is to help ovulate? But now I've read the below, it looks as though it can help the egg. I'm cautious about messing up my cycle so was just looking to hear other people's experience.

Here's the info I've read here (have lots more saved in my notes if people want to see about the dose etc if interest) :)

Thank you x

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

Ah shame@Marvellouslymadmum. Understand the irrational anger also as it’s how I’d feel too, but it’s tough when someone gets sick. Plus you did manage it in the fertile window 😊

@choccrumpet it’s tough to say, I wonder if your cycles are a bit mixed as you’ve had a number of chemicals. Your hormones must constantly be up and down. Maybe a break for a month or so would be good, to regroup and let them settle. Focus on having fun, enjoying yourself, and having a few drinks now things are open. It does all get a bit all consuming, and wishing away parts of our life so we can get to ovulation, then get to end of cycle etc.... or maybe that’s just me! I might need a break from temping as it’s making me wake up earlier than the alarm worried I’ve missed it! 😂

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 we did yes, I'm just not hopeful as I know his swimmers aren't the strongest lol

@Marvellouslymadmum it definitely feels like a circle going round and round!

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 you might be right, my mental health feels out of whack, I'm not feeling good, I'm taking time off work to look after myself as I'm feeling quite low, it may well be that my hormones are all over the place too. I feel the same about my cycle too so I think it will be a welcomed relief to not have to think about it. If you're able to track and stay healthy mentally then that's great. I don't think I can.

Ive been following along! I took soy this cycle for the first time. Been ttc since January 2020 and getting nowhere. Fairly confident the issue is with me since I have ridiculously long cycles- I'm not convinced I ovulate on my own very often if at all.

I took soy cycle days 120-125 because I thought it might at least do enough to kick start my period a couple of weeks after.

I'm now 12dpo and have got the faintest of faint lines on an internet cheapie. DH can't see it and is blaming the fact I took it and then went in the shower and got it all steamy! He might be right but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Sorry should have said, got the most positive opk I have ever had in my life on day 3 of taking soy and I'm counting ovulation from then. I guess the soy may have just pushed my levels high enough for ovulation to finally happen? Not sure.

@choccrumpet sounds like you might need a break, and I'm really glad you're taking a bit of holiday at the moment to look after yourself. Wouldn't hurt to stop soy and supplements tracking etc, and restart if you fancy it later on.

I've booked a few days away in the UK and plan a months break in June, want to make it fun for me and my boyfriend - nice walks, meals, bottles of wine etc. I think it being lockdown has made me more obsessive, and I'm aware I'm being a drag on him. Foreplay at the moment seems to revolve around waving an OPK in his face from 8dpo 🙈 plus the beep of my thermometer wakes him up at 6.15 every morning

@IntergalacticP wow that sounds so positive!! Keep us posted. That's awesome.

@IntergalacticP wait, I thought that was a typo about the CD 120 to 125 - you took it that far in and you think it forced ovulation then? Or have I misunderstood? That's brilliant if so, I didn't think it would be so strong

Thanks @A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 just have to keep my fingers crossed that I haven't willed a line into existence!! Just thought I would post because I tried to find posts of other people taking it late on in a long cycle and couldn't find anything.

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 no you read that right!! You can see why I was starting to crack up a bit! Previous cycle was 115days, one before that 75 so seemed to be getting worse.

@IntergalacticP yes that's crazily long! I get frustrated enough waiting around, I can't imagine waiting months. I'm so so happy it looks to have worked.

I just read back through your messages, and ovulation would be 24-36 hours after your strongest opk, so actually you might be less DPO than you think? Hence the faint line? I'm so hopeful for you tomorrow! We need some good news on this thread

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 a months break sounds amazing! I think I've obsessed a bit too much during lockdown too but at the same time I'm glad I've had this time to deal with this stuff in private and not having to see many people, it might have been quite difficult otherwise.

I don't know how to do this so it doesn't feel as much of a chore, any way we try we're still having more sex than we normally would, it still has to be somewhat timed and it's still going to be emotionally up and down. I can't figure out another way 🙈

@IntergalacticP that's amazing, fingers crossed for you!

@choccrumpet sorry I should clarify, a month off trying and temping and peeing on things, but a break of only a week! Couldn't get that long off work sadly, and saving it up for when we can go away again :)

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 ah I get you, I'm sure it'll be a welcome break either way!

Currently on CD62, supposedly 16dpo... bbt still above coverline. Did a test a couple of days ago and it was BFN, just sat twiddling my thumbs waiting for anything to happen. I'm still quite crampy so just anticipating AF really.

Evening all, just checking in - hope everyone is doing ok. I’m on CD 11 today, I think there’s a chance of a positive Opk in the next couple of days - which will be amazing if it happens as I usually don’t get it until CD15/16. Will keep you all updated. Need to get going with the BD as well! Keeping my fingers tightly crossed, as always! X

@Riverskye that’s frustrating, do you usually have a longer luteal phase?

@Twiggywinkle13 hopefully so 🤞!

Morning all, helloooo to the new people! Well I'm now somewhere between 1-6dpo my apps can't decide at all! I got my peak opk on Saturday but my temp dipped Thursday and started to rise Friday so who knows 🤷🏼‍♀️ had a little nose bleed this morning which is most unusual for me but I'm really not hopeful this month as only dtd Thursday cos the oh hasn't been feeling great 😑

How are you all doing?

Morning @Marvellouslymadmum ohh that's frustrating! Well Thursday dtd will work for both of those dates so hopefully you're covered.

@IntergalacticP how did retesting go?

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 thanks for asking, that's so kind. I think I can still see an extremely faint line but it isn't getting any darker . My app thinks my period isn't due till Thursday so guess I will just keep my fingers crossed! How are you getting on?

@IntergalacticP sounds like it’s early still to be testing so faint line sounds positive 🤞

Good here thanks, 7dpo, will probably test at the weekend. I’ve got my 3rd acupuncture session today, so something to focus on....

How’s everyone else getting along? @choccrumpet did you ovulate yet?

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 CD20 today and still no peak ☹️ OPKs look like they're getting a tad darker so am hoping any day now but unsure if it'll happen. My cervix is open and high so going by that I think I should ovulate regardless of whether I catch a peak or not. This would be my latest ovulation I've ever had that I am aware of. I am quite upset by my longer cycle, no idea why it's happening, so am going to see if there's anything I can do to shorten it.

Any tips that anyone knows please let me know.

Wondering whether it's worth looking into acupuncture, it might be the quickest way for me to potentially help with this but also it'll probably cost quite lot. Really uncertain.

Ahh @choccrumpet that’s weird, and not fun for more waiting around 😩

Hmm acupuncture is expensive and you have to commit to a cycle. I can’t say I’ve noticed any tangible differences in my cycle yet, so far it’s the same as last month. I started a thread on acupuncture a couple days ago and some said it was really good for fertility, another woman felt it was a coincidence she got pregnant and she might have anyway even without it. It’s hard to know either way

It’s a lot of money to drop on something. Like a £15 pot of soy, not a big deal if it doesn’t work, even a £25 pot of ubiquinol, fine. The acupuncture is £340 for this month 😬