TTC after pregnancy loss - Love is the Drug - and lots of vitamins - thread 14

[TheGrumpySquirrel]

Shiny new thread. Hugs and supportive chat for those TTC after miscarriage or pregnancy loss ♥️

Hi all! Still away so will catch up later.

Can I ask any tempers... my bbt has been exactly the same temp for 3 days straight now. It’s making for a very boring chart!

It shot up on the last day of my period but hasn’t changed since??

Also can someone refresh me on what happens around ovulation/getting bfp/getting period??

I’m still finding it confusing & googling isn’t helping.

Blue your chart** is confusing me as it is in F not C! Ovia is also a pain to interpret.

Yellow see below - it’s quite normal for temp not to vary much in each phase, this means you are doing a good job of consistent waking time and not moving too much first etc. First pic is this cycle so far and the second pic was last cycle.

Bold fail!! Basically it goes down a bit before ov. To confirm ov you need to see a sustained rise (three days of higher temps). Then FF will give you the red lines. The vertical indicates ov day and the horizontal is your cover line. Temp should stay above cover line post ov (biphasic temperature chart - a low phase then a higher phase) until it drops just before AF (mine doesn’t drop until actual day AF arrives). You CAN get implantation dip 7-10dpo but this is a bit of a myth IMO. On BFP charts the temp will rise even higher once you get a positive pregnancy test. This is called a triphasic Chart where the third phase is even higher than the second phase of temps. HTH!

yellow so on ovulation you normally get a dip right before ovulation occurs and a spike after and your temp should then stay elevated until towards your period.. you can get a dip around implantation and then if you implant then your graph will go Triassic (i think that's the word) which basically means spike again or stay quite high. Here's my chart from when i conceived in May. I pretty good example i think

So Grumpy that big spike & dip in the middle is your ovulation?

And if it’s a bfp chart your temp goes up instead of down?

I seem to wake up naturally around 5.30-6 even on holiday, even on the fecking weekend so at the moment it’s going ok.

Blue can you post a landscape version of that pic so we can see the whole chart?

Maaaaajor Cross post there! Blame sketchy WiFi.

Thank you ladies 😊

Yes exactly yellow

x post again. You are welcome

triphasic is the word lol Triassic is dinosaurs 🙈 so the dip at the end of my fertile (green week) and spike is ovulation... the dip a few days later was implantation x

after them last few temps it started to dip and dip until i had my first early mc at around 5 weeks

So can temping indicate a fall in HCG? Ie tell you when a miscarriage may be about to occur?

I don't think so but usually when af is about to begin temps drop. In the case of my first mc because it was so early at around 5weeks my chart just looked like a longer cycle with af at the end xx

Progesterone is what causes your temp to stay elevated. The drop in progesterone triggers AF. Nothing to do with hcg. I’m not sure how reliable temping would be for extended period after a BFP , as I’m not sure how much progesterone levels vary in early pregnancy. But your temp does stay elevated after a BFP. It actually goes higher in many cases.

Interesting! I wonder if a drop in progesterone would trigger the process of a mc...

I started with my progesterone pessaries and heparin injections yesterday 🤞🤞

Good luck filly. Yes progesterone is needed to support a pregnancy so makes sense that they prescribe the pessaries if you’ve struggled to hold onto them. I know that ivf patients are given them (sorry, remind me if you also had ivf?)

I’ve been trying visualisations to let go of my baby, I know it sounds silly but I think a part of me has not been ready to say goodbye and accept she is gone and I wonder if that has prevented a new conception (listen to the science graduate going all woo). Anyway so last night I listened to some beautiful music and imagined her in her little sac floating peacefully away in the sea. Cried a lot but I think it’s helping?? Acupuncture on Thursday, just before FW begins. Really hoping it’s my month.

Grumpy squirrel it doesn't sound silly at all in fact it sounds beautiful and nearly made me cry. I am a wear my heart on my sleeve person so I completely agree that crying and letting your emotions show helps. I don't agree that bottling up your feelings helps you move on. It will smack you round the face when you least expect it otherwise in my view at least.

Can I ask what the acupuncture is for? Keen to try anything that might help - fingers crossed for you xx

I'm absolutely convinced my progesterone is low, as all the pre-AF symptoms caused by it have disappeared. I'm taking vitamin B6 as apparently that can help.

@Lotty515 thank you 💗 I’m trying acupuncture for anxiety and to try and increase fertility - the acupuncturist told me that he sees a lot of women who “lose faith in their bodies” after months of trying and he says the stress caused by months/years of failed cycles doesn’t help conception (I know that some stressed women DO conceive however he said that adrenaline and cortisol are not good hormones to have flowing through your body when you are TTC, which makes sense). He’s going to try and regulate my cycles (they have been 26-33 days as ov day is erratic) and improve my womb lining (since mc i only have 2 day periods!).

Flat my skin, nails, hair and mental health have improved massively since taking a B complex vitamin. Now I’m starting DH on 1000mg of vitamin c per day and asking him to reduce coffee intake. We are both drinking less alcohol too. Hope it makes a difference!

Thanks @TheGrumpySquirrel. I've decided to cut alcohol and caffeine once half term is over. I'm bricking it about my hormone blood tests. My periods are now only 2 days long followed by extremely scant spotting, so I'm convinced something isn't normal.

Sorry I don't post much, seem to be so busy with work. Had a bit of a meltdown this week and ended up in tears at work. It was over something and nothing but I'm generally so on edge that the slightest thing tips me over.

This week was my fertile week and me and DP tried every day, but his erectile dysfunction was worse than ever so we didn't get anywhere. I can't talk about it with him as he is so sensitive over it. We have however agreed that we'll book an appointment with a private fertility clinic after Christmas. With his ED and my low ovarian reserve I think we need all the help we can get.

Part of me is glad it is half term as I'm so exhausted but the other part is dreading being at home for a week. I hoped I would be pregnant and past 12 weeks by my due date but I don't think there is any chance of that now.

I had given up alcohol but have decided to have wine with my dinner if I fancy it this week as it is half term. I've just ordered a BBT thermometer too - have found one that syncs automatically to your phone app so looks interesting. I bought clear blue digital tests this month and had had 5 days of flashing smileys and no static smiley. I've been using the cheap sticks too and not even got a positive on those which is unusual. It has been a mental week though so have been testing at really random times.

I'm getting so fed up with it. The longer it goes on the more scared I feel that I won't ever hold a baby of my own. I've started an online CBT course - I'm terrible at talking face to face but can write down how I feel. I'm hoping it might help.

The only thing that is keeping me going at the moment is work. Although, I'm learning that being on SLT in a school brings lots of grief, especially from people at work who seem to think they can attack me via text in the evenings for things that are happening. I never realised how difficult it would be to go from being one of the crowd to management.

I admire you being in SLT @voxnihili! I'm in my 9th year of teaching and will never be in management. My workload this term has been so bad we are not going away for my birthday trip this weekend as I'm too tired for it. I can't imagine being in management! I really do admire you, as it can't be easy. So sorry you're having a tough time. My body feels messed up since the MC, so I'm having hormone bloods done on Tues. I'm already dreading the results, as I'm convinced something is wrong.

Sorry work has been so busy vox and for the ed problems. I have some experience with those (but years before we were ttc) and my oh was prescribed viagra and later had a circumcision which completely sorted him out.
Great that you've got the appt with the clinic

grumpy - I'm loving your positive attitude! How did you find the acupuncture person? Very interesting

My chart shows my temp has dipped so period will be here today or tomorrow. Upsetting but at least I can then book onto iui. This tww has been the worst of my life

It's so hard isn't it @KerryLeanne84! I was a big ball of anxiety in the TWW. Sorry to hear your temp has dipped. Xxx