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TTC after pregnancy loss: We're nervous, we're hopeful, we're checking all the charts and taking all the vits!

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BertieBotts · 15/08/2017 23:09

Welcome back all and welcome new posters.

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FoxtrotSkarloey · 12/09/2017 18:51

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BertieBotts · 12/09/2017 19:08

White discharge is non fertile but can appear after ovulation so if you've had it today it doesn't rule out Saturday as a good day to DTD.

Sitting in hopeful corner too. 8dpo. Hugely hungry.

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KerryLeanne84 · 12/09/2017 19:40

Big hugs grumpy ❤️

I completely empathise with everyone feeling like they're at square one again. Conceiving via fertility treatment after two years and having a mc is beyond devastating but the only silver lining is that I know now - and this goes for all of us - that I can get pregnant, so there is hope for us all! 🌈

Flatwhite31 · 12/09/2017 19:53

I just posted this on social media:

Three weeks ago today, I was pregnant and it was the eve of our 12 week scan. I was slightly nervous like all pregnant women are before the first 'big scan', but really excited too. I was 4 weeks on from the elation of seeing our baby with a strong heartbeat at an 8 week scan, where the lady doing the ultrasound confidently declared,
"The growth and heartbeat are perfect. Your chances of miscarrying now are less than 5%!". She then happily handed me two pictures of our baby. A 95% chance of the pregnancy continuing - great odds, right?! I'd been taking folic acid and Vitamin D since the end of February too, and my blood tests had also been perfect. I felt so lucky that my pregnancy was going so smoothly. I didn't feel entirely invincible, as no pregnant woman is, but I was confident enough to begin enjoying the pregnancy, and remind myself when reaching for the Ritz crackers to control the nausea, that it was all so worth it. My husband, also beaming at the very mention of the pregnancy, would pat my belly from time to time, and we called our baby 'bean'. I started to look to the future, and was given a due date by the midwife, as well as a date to hear the heartbeat at 16 weeks. Apart from the day I got married, never in my life had I been so excited.

On the day of the scan, I noticed a couple in the waiting room marvelling at their 12 week scan photos, pointing out their baby's little nose. "That'll be us in a few minutes!" I thought to myself, excitedly. I ticked the 'yes' box for screening, then lay down on the bed. The jelly was applied, then the lady doing the ultrasound suddenly had a complete change of expression on her face.
"Have you been bleeding Frances?" she asked, tentatively.
In that moment I knew, yet I still asked, my voice quivering, "Is there something wrong?" while averting my gaze from my baby lying there, silent.
"There's no heartbeat. I'm so sorry," she replied. I can't remember exactly what happened next, apart from walking through RBH in a complete daze, confronted by that strange reality of daily life 'carrying on' in the midst of our grief and shock.

A few hours later, I was upstairs at the Royal Berkshire Hospital being spoken to by a gentle consultant. "A missed miscarriage," he said. My body thought it was still pregnant. I thought I was still pregnant. My tiny baby, desperately clinging on, had given me no signs that its little heart had stopped, that it was laying still in its protective sac.

Two days later and after a six hour wait on the same ward I was sent up to after the bad news, I was in a cold general anaesthetic room, a cannula in my hand, a mask on my face, and my heart racing at the thought of what they were going to do. My last thought before I entered the darkness of general anaesthesia was of the sadness on my husband's face when the lift doors closed on my way down to theatre. I would wake up in a pool of my own blood a little later, empty and exhausted. Little did I know that this was not 'it'. I would never have known that nearly 3 weeks post MC, a pregnancy test would STILL be positive. My body clearly isn't ready to let go just yet.

So, why am I sharing this story? 1 in 4 women miscarry. Most miscarriages happen in the first six weeks, and the statistics DO reduce once a healthy heartbeat has been seen, so the type of MC I had is rarer, but it has really struck me how something, which 25% of pregnant women experience, is so hush hush. It's only when you start talking about your own experience, that you realise you aren't alone. In fact, a few of my friends have been where I am right now, and their friends and/or family have too. I had no idea. I know talking isn't for everyone, but when you are feeling overwhelmed, like I do at times, talking CAN help. The most common words I have seen online linked to miscarriage, are 'loneliness' and 'isolation'. There is no emotional aftercare for miscarriage in the medical profession, so this loneliness can be overwhelming, and it often strikes when you least expect it (mine is at its worst when I'm in busy public places!) but this must surely be exacerbated by the fact that many women must feel they 'can't' talk about their miscarriage because it's not 'the done thing'. Indeed, I have been reticent until now about posting my story on social media, mainly because miscarriage (especially missed miscarriage) is not something many people feel comfortable talking about, but if sharing my experience helps even just one woman or couple feel less alone, or has perhaps raised your own awareness about miscarriage and its taboos, especially missed miscarriage (which I didn't even know existed!) then that can't be a bad thing, can it? It's good to talk.

FoxtrotSkarloey · 12/09/2017 20:02

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beanhunter · 12/09/2017 20:24

Flat that's incredibly eloquent. Xx
My first day at work today so my body celebrates by starting my first period after mmc. Thanks for that.

TurquoiseDress · 12/09/2017 20:27

@Flatwhite31
Oh my that's such a powerful post- it brought tears to my eyes.

I too found out the bad news at my dating scan at 12+6 although I had a warning sign as I began bleeding the morning of the scan Sad

Yep that bit about STILL having a positive pregnancy test 3 whole weeks later took me by surprise...never thought I'd be wishing for a negative test!

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KerryLeanne84 · 12/09/2017 20:37

Amazing writing Flatwhite - I'm sure you'll get a huge response from your friends and family and lots of support ❤️

TheGrumpySquirrel · 12/09/2017 20:48

@Flatwhite31 thank you for posting this, it made me cry, and if it raises awareness then that's only a good thing. This morning I shared the miscarriage association's #simplysay campaign which encourages people to say "I'm sorry" rather than all the stupid shit like "it wasn't meant to be". Anyway as a result of sharing that a couple of friends have reached out with their own experiences which is nice.

UnicornsandRainbows1 · 12/09/2017 20:53

I think my heart just fell into my stomach Flatwhite. That must have been really tough to write but I commend you for sharing that and making others maybe feel like they're not alone if they're going through it too

weasledee · 12/09/2017 21:38

Amazing and very true words flat x

Elpheba · 12/09/2017 21:43

Flat that was really beautifully written- I hope it helps some of your friends and you for having written it.

Interesting reading about the aspirin/clotting stuff. Earlier on the thread. I had a MMC too and baby died at 9+5ish- I had read something about that being when the placenta takes over and clotting issues can cause MC here. Now with my DD they thought I needed blood thinners due to family history and because I was flying and so I had them from around week 8 on and off until week 17 and then stopped them as hospital policy changed and it was decided I wasn't at risk. So obviously this time round I didn't get to the stage of needing them/being offered them but now we're ready to start trying again I keep worrying and wondering if I do actually need them. I'm excited to TTC again but so anxious. I feel like I've "coped" ish with the MC but I don't think I'm strong enough to go through it again. Should I take aspirin as a precaution? Or am I just doing that thing women do and trying to give a reason for something which sadly often doesn't have a reason?

Flatwhite31 · 12/09/2017 21:52

Thank you so much ladies. Xx

I actually feel slightly better for writing it. I've always been a 'writer' and I'm hoping it may encourage some people to reach out.

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halloumisandwich · 13/09/2017 08:19

Flat that brought a tear to my eye. Beautifully written and you're so brave for posting it. I hope you've had some good responses from social media too.

coastalchick · 13/09/2017 09:09

Flat that made me cry - your words are amazing and you are so brave for posting that. x

PhoebeMouse · 13/09/2017 09:20

Hi everyone! My ERPC was 2 weeks ago now and I got impatient and decided to take a test last Friday just in case, and it was negative! So weird to be excited about seeing that. But it felt like a milestone and we decided to start trying again straight away, even though I know they recommend you wait until you've had a period for dating purposes etc, but I just couldn't keep waiting. But it does make it very hard to know what could be going on - we haven't used ovulation kits or anything before so we're just going to keep regularly DTD until AF does or doesn't appear! Probably not the best but it keeps the stress relatively minimal!

I thought I was feeling a lot better but little things that I normally cope well with have been making me get really worked up. Like yesterday when one of our managers was really rude to me (a pretty regular occurrence that I can normally shake off) and tried to make me feel guilty for not doing something that is WAY above what I'm paid for, I spent about 3 hours crying when I got home! I just feel like a complete failure all round at the moment!

@Flatwhite31 I had a cry reading your post too, thank you for sharing it. It is so important that we do talk about it more. I've been trying to tell all my friends too because I want things to change, and everyone I've spoken to has been surprised but then thought of several people they know that have been through it too.

coastalchick · 13/09/2017 09:43

@PhoebeMouse - I get the feeling like a failure thing - I had a massive breakdown at OH last night telling him I felt like a failure for not being able to carry our child and for being fat (I am 2 st over what I should be) and ugly and just generally useless.

I've not gone to work today but will try to go tomorrow. It will only be 1 day as I don't work fridays. Hardly seems worth it but thinking will get through emails which have built up then at least for the 3 days I am in next week before we go on hols I can focus on work.

Worried am going to get the sack. I have not been focused this year due to various issues - first our cat almost died so had a couple of weeks worrying about that, then we were trying to sell house and buy another which had all kinds of issues so was dealing with that, then pregnant with all the sickness and tiredness etc and now this!!!!!

KerryLeanne84 · 13/09/2017 10:12

Phoebe - glad things are a bit more positive with the negative test (as it were!). Sorry your manager is being a douche though - that's totally out of order!

Coastalchick do work know what you've been dealing with?

Re aspirin - I was taking it during the cycle where I got the bfp, and the consensus seems to be that such a low dose can't do any harm. I am taking it again now and will ask about whether to continue taking it if I get pregnant again.

JenCFA · 13/09/2017 10:15

flat such lovely, powerful words. If you're a writer, I find it definitely helps to try to put things into words. And I agree it's ridiculous how hush-hush all this is. I started a blog on the subject for this exact reason.

coastal I'm so sorry you're feeling so down. I get the failure thing, too. But I'm going to remind you that it is in absolutely no way your fault or down to anything you did or didn't do. (I remind myself this only about 1,000 times a day...) Also know what you mean about work - I'm off for two weeks, then got a week's holiday booked - and while it's the right thing for me to do, and work have been very good, I do feel paranoid that I'm sabotaging myself. I only took a day off last time though, and in hindsight I needed more time.

coastalchick · 13/09/2017 10:35

@KerryLeanne84 and @JenCFA - yes, HR and my line manager knows but not sure any of the partners do (other than my best mate who is a partner there) - hope they will be sympathetic but law firms are not generally in my experience! Managing Partner of my old firm once said to me unless I was dead he expected me to be available and dealing with emails, even if that was from a hospital bed!!!!

Thanks Jen - I do know that deep down though I worry my bad diet may have played a part - but I was taking the vitamins. My friend reminded me however that women have been having babies for centuries, even when diets were bad and people drank beer because it was safer than water, so am hanging on to that.

Must try and motivate self to at least do something with my day, rather than sit in front of the tv. Drank a whole bottle of wine last night though - whoops. Must get that back under control too and not drink to numb the pain.

TurquoiseDress · 13/09/2017 11:08

On CD16 today- my BBT went up by over half a degree F this morning, so will be checking for a sustained rise over the next few days. Hoping this means I ovulated on CD15

OPK now negative this morning after yesterday evening having the first positive in this cycle- test line clearly darker than control line.

The book 'Taking charge of your fertility' has changed my approach to TTC and it's nice to see the temperature shift/rise to confirm I ovulation.

I've never really trusted OPKs even the mega expensive ones!

This is about as exciting as TTC has got for me over the last 14 months!Grin

Hoping the very soon expensive pot of Ubiquinol has helped a bit somehow this month (wishful thinking).

Sending you all positive vibes for the day Star

yellowfrontdoor · 13/09/2017 13:16

Oh my goodness Flatwhite. That was so emotional ❤️

KerryLeanne84 · 13/09/2017 14:58

Turquoise-think I need to start temping too! Any tips?

Flatwhite31 · 13/09/2017 17:40

Hi everyone, thank you so much for your kind words about my post. The response has been overwhelming (in a good way) and I've had a few messages from people who'd had MCs and I didn't know! It's a shame it's just not spoken about.

I woke up with horrible pelvic pain today, so much so that I nearly didn't go to work. However it eased a bit so I went in, but it's been really uncomfortable most of the day. Two ladies I work with (much older than me) had D&Cs years ago (that's what they used to give you before ERPC) and they both said to ring the ward I had the ERPC on for advice. They honestly couldn't have cared less, and because I don't have heavy bleeding (my bleeding has stopped) or 'offensive discharge' (their words, not mine!), I just needed to take paracetamol (which I've been doing to no effect!). My ERPC was nearly 3 bloody weeks ago! It's not like period pain, so I'm pretty sure it's not that, and it's weirdly worse if I bear down or sit down. It's just so hard when it feels like nobody cares!

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