Is it a line? Time for some wine? Yep, it's TTC after miscarriage thread number nine.

[BertieBotts]

Hello ladies

Hope you don't mind my little poem...

Fingers crossed for some sticky beans this time.

(Newbies welcome too!)

FWIW I think I'd have found it much harder had they happened later. But since I only knew I was pregnant for about a week (or less) both times it just felt like I hadn't really been pregnant at all.

I do have a scan pic from the first one. They scan v easily where I am. Only a 3mm sac was visible but I like the fact I have it.

Morning Ladies,

Sorry i've been dipping in and out of the thread recently and just can't keep up!
Thanks for the replies regarding the OPK's i did buy some dual hormone CB ones and finally got a flashing smiley on Sunday (much to my surprise) Had flashing smiles yesterday too so hoping for a static soon! I'm on CD20 so not sure what that means in terms for my cycle. Since my MMC in Feb i've been all over the place.

Hope you ladies had a good long weekend. Hugs all round x

Hi Ladies,

I could do with some advice - my AF arrived Saturday which was on time, however, I have had no period cramps at all and my period has been lighter than usual and lasted 3 days. I've had 4 cycles since the miscarriage and this is the first that's been different to my usual cycle - should I be worried or am I over thinking things? Xx

Did you do a test before you thought af arrived Nicola? Might not have been af if it was very light.

I had a weird cycle last month, second one on from my last MC and it was torrential but only lasted 2 and a half days, not like me at all. So it can mess with your cycle and take a while to settle I think.

I'm due today, another BFN this morning. Feeling pretty low.

Yes it's only been 2 cycles, but the last pregnancy never really got off the ground and I'm so impatient to be properly pregnant again. My due date from my MMC is in a couple of weeks and this was our last chance to get a bfp before then

I look the size of a house, boobs are bigger every day and my back hurts, still coldy, hot flushes, super nose (despite snuffles, so annoying!)

If af is coming I'd be grateful if she could just show up and I can get it over with.

Sorry for your loss Jauncornetto

Glad OPKs are working Amy

I tested at 12dpo @annelovesgilbert and it was negative and AF arrived at 14dpo and wasn't light but wasn't it's usual heaviness and just seemed short so worried me a little that maybe my lining isn't getting thick enough to hold a pregnancy. Have no pregnant symptoms so hopefully it's just a one off random cycle. My crystals have arrived so I have high hopes for those this month 😊Xx

Ah, I get you. Hadn't thought of that, and yes, could have been a random one while things are still settling down.

When's the blow dry? Did you get an unakite stone?

@NicolaC17 The same thing happened to me this month - in fact it was so light I ended up doing another pregnancy test because it was so weird. Hopefully we're both back to normal next month (well, hopefully we get BFPs but if not, hopefully AF returns to normal!)

@Anne Really sorry for your BFN. This month was my last chance to get pregnant before my due date too (Friday, argh) and it hit me really hard when AF arrived. I really feel for you.

I have a gynae consultant appointment today - I was referred a year ago, before I got pregnant. Convinced he's just going to tell me to go away. Or lose weight. Or both! Anyone got any top tips about things I should ask or mention?

Ahh @Anne that's rubbish but don't lose faith until the AF arrives, have you hhad any answers from Dr's etc re the miscarriages or not? I I keep looking at IVF, my DS is 5 this year and i feel like time is really ticking on now.

I am feeling a mixed bag of emotions today, My best friend is off to her scan and she is so worried about it, i am trying my best to be supportive but i really want to say, atleast you are bloody pregnant!!!

@NicolaC17 can i ask what crystals have you got? Sorry if i have missed some earlier post.
I am currently trying to lose weight, BMI is 29 which isn't ideal and doesnt help i have gained 2 stone since i fell pregnant in November...comfort eating at its best
I am still having pranic healing 3 times a week to see if she can help with the cysts they have found on my ovaries. Scan booked in for May 18th to check the cyst and i am secretly hoping they will also find a little bean in there x

I had the random light period thing 2 cycles ago and was worried (and did a couple of hpts). All returned to normal the following cycle. I wouldn't worry about it unless it becomes a pattern. I find that I pay so much more attention to everything since mc.

Peach - good luck with appointment. Maybe write some points/questions down and bring with you. I always find consultations go a bit fast and I always leave thinking 'oh why didn't ask that'.

Thanks all - I'll try not to worry too much then, hopefully I won't get another AF but if I do then she's returned to normal. I've started some new vitamins which are all natural and I'm sure they haven't had any impact but I'm just wondering if they have made a difference.

These are the crystals I have ordered ladies - crystal-harmony.myshopify.com/products/fertility-boosting-crystal-collection

I have my crystal blow dry in a few weeks @annelovesgilvert so I'll let you know if it's any good. Xx

So sorry peach x Hope your appointment is useful. Don't be fobbed off. And agree on writing stuff down beforehand so you can refer to it if you need to.

Thanks Amy. I know you're not out till you're out and all that, and I don't really feel like af is about to show but if I was going to get a bfp surely it would be by now. I'm CD28, about 14DPO and it was a free with fmu.

Nothing to do but wait. DH is so gutted and I can see he's also still a bit hopeful and it breaks my heart.

Sorry @Anne I shouldn't have said that, i know how utterly shit it feels when you get your hopes up during the TWW, just to have it come crashing down. I think we all try and think positive for each other but then come down hard on ourselves!

@Nicola Interesting re the crystals, i'm down for any kind of help right now!

Thanks @Moon and @Anne, I'm going to write down some questions now xx

You're absolutely right Amy! So sorry if I sounded snappy in reply, not what I meant at all, and thank you for being kind x

And you're right, I'm always bloody banging on at people about being positive.... I just don't feel like AF is coming. I had this with two previous pregnancies, one where I had no af symptoms at all, and one where I had the same sore massive boobs and tummy bloating, increased appetite, super smell, all that, and just knew I wasn't coming on. And I didn't. But I can't help but think if it was going to happen it would be showing up clear as day by now.

Good luck peach. It's a different thing but before my first RMC appointment I wrote down all the dates I thought they'd need e.g. pregnancies, losses, and glad I did as he had a file of my info but asked me everything again and made notes. Also made a note of my usual cycle length, dates of past surgeries and my last smear test, all stuff like that. DH and I wrote down a bunch of questions and even though we didn't look at the list in there, because we'd been through it we realised by the end that everything had been covered.

Sorry Amy, didn't answer about the causes. Had 3 appointments with the RMC and a load of tests and the baby they tested was perfect and there's nothing wrong with me. I've had an early mc since being under them but it was so early the drugs they gave me didn't have much of a chance to work.

My consultant treats everyone at the clinic, whether diagnosed with clotting issues or not, with clexane (blood thinner) from bfp and since the last loss he's got me on low dose aspirin from ovulation to af/bfp.

What are your thoughts on IVF? I've conceived three times since August so haven't struggled to get pregnant, but having the devil's own job staying pregnant, so it's not done me much good!

Nicola I'm the exact same this Month. Af normally lasts a good 5 days or 6. Started Saturday morning and was heavy and cramps for about 24 hours and since then a bit of spotting but nothing more than a liner and totally stopped today! So weird to the point that I bought a cheapy tesco test yesterday but it was negative.. Thing is with this last miscarriage I had what I thought was a period no cramps slightly less heavy than normal but still heavy by anyone else's standard and lasted 4 days.. A week later I got a really faint positive at the gp and turned out I was 3 weeks along by that point.. So it's kinda messing with my head.. But negative test yesterday and a doc appointment this afternoon to discuss my blood test results

Hope your appointment goes well smurf.

No, not snappy at all. I just appreciate sometimes you want to hear 'Oh that's so shit' rather than 'think positive' haha x

Well since my MMC I have had no period for 10 weeks, un diagnosed cysts, tests for PCOS which one Dr said yes as my testosterone was high then another Dr say no actually you are OK so not sure why you aren't ovulating every month..blah blah blah. I think IVF is an option if i don't fall naturally in the next 6 months. We have been trying for 3 years now and i know i can obviously have children as i have a DS but i am bloody fed up now. x

I don't know much about IVF or PCOS but is the former a treatment for issues conceiving with the latter? 3 years must feel like a lifetime, sorry you're going through this x

We started TTC #1 for me, #3 for DH (has twins from first marriage) in Feb last year. First BFP in August, early MC, conceived again 10 days later, MMC at 12 weeks, another early MC in Feb. So I know it hasn't been that long but we still haven't got past the first trimester and I'd like to know where my naffing baby is, as I find myself ranting quietly at the universe! What's the point of all of this if it's not going to happen for us?

I'm positive, optimistic, looking forward most of the time. But if af was annoying before I was ttc it's doing my head in these days. And the similarity of the symptoms I've had with some pregnancies and some afs is an absolute brain fuck.

Is your DS both of yours? Where are you at with tests and doctors now? Does Clomid help with PCOS? A lot of people talk about that helping, sometimes really quickly.

@Anne Ah sorry to hear that...after 3 Miscarriages you are entitled to have a rant!!

Well my Dr keeps palming me off and its really doing my head in. As i fell pregnant naturally in November she doesn't seem to think we have a problem. Its clear we have a bloody problem else why wouldn't we have another baby by now!! Yes DS is both of ours, he came along as a nice surprise, which makes it all the more frustrating when 'trying' to have another.

I haven't mentioned clomid to my Dr yet but that is next on my list, she was waiting for me to have a full cycle since MMC so i have just got my (Flashing face) Positive OPK on CD20 so we shall see.

Did your cycles go back to normal straight away after the MC's?

Just overheard pg coworker say the sentence 'I just don't want to be pregnant anymore'. Now sitting and sobbing in the loos! Totally not meant for me to hear, and she doesn't know about what happened, but feels like an utter kick in every imaginable body part.

@DancingUnicorn Oh that's a fucking shit one. Some people don't think what they are saying unfortunately. All i can say is, things get better. HUGS x

Oh Dancing . Sending you a big hug. Work, especially any any sort of office full of women, is the bloody worst for that sort of thing.

I'm trying to develop a thicker skin but I'm just waiting for the next stupid comment to come my way, whether intentional or unintentional. Like the colleague the other day who was struggling she said - no, not with morning sickness, exhaustion, aversions, any sort of pain - with "how quickly it happened after I started trying". Grrrrrrr.

Thanks Amy, it's 4, but the first one was ages ago with my ex and unplanned! Because I put it in my notes at the booking apt before my MMC I got referred to the RMC after the MMC, but of the 4 it's the longest pregnancy which still hurts as I was full on attached to that baby and all it meant to us.

Sorry to hear about your doctor. I only asked as DH has his two so they haven't wanted to test him for anything as part of the RMC stuff. They were from IVF but it was their mum with the problems.

Like you, we're managing to conceive, which is a lot and I'm grateful for that. But some days it feels like so fucking what when I'm not currently either pregnant or cuddling my baby.

I was really lucky that my cycles were fine. I ovulated 10 days after the early one and conceived again so no af, then had af 28 days after surgery. 2 normal cycles (stopped trying for one cycle after MMC) and then bfp again early Feb, and normal cycle after as if the mc was af - bled for 5 days. Last month was a bit odd, arrived on time but was insanely heavy for a couple of days, then just stopped. No spotting or fade out at all. Was literally pouring in the morning and by early afternoon not a thing.

If I don't come on today then I'm officially late. And the only real change since the pregnancies and losses began last summer is my cycle is now a couple of days longer and (has been) a reliable 28 days, which has been good as it was short before. I seem to ovulate really early but I don't think that's a bad thing.

From your doctor's POV, it won't be that long between November and now, but it sounds like you'd been trying a long time before November, and your cycle taking so long to start up again post MC might mean something, though not a clue what. If you don't feel they're taking you seriously, can you ask for a second opinion?

I'm sorry dancing it is so hard!
Thanks Anne... I've seen doc and gotten results which she printed for me after making me promise not to Google them.. apparently I am not immune to rubella but she has confirmed I've had the vaccine 3 times and said she has phoned and followed up and they said that there was no point giving me the vaccine again as it will not make any difference (there was a name for it serial something or other) gp said she did ask about well what happens then if and when I get pregnant again and they said "awk don't worry we haven't seen rubella in this country in years"...... Emm...
I'm currently sitting waiting now on appointment with nurse to get more bloods done for estrogen and something else and coeliac test... And a pregnancy test.. As I mentioned the irregular period.. She has said though that even if it comes back negative today she wants me to test again in 7-10 days as this is eerily similar to what happened last time I was pregnant and that it could be that that I ovulate late in my cycle... It was negative yesterday on a home test so I don't expect it to show any different today... And I'm desperately trying to keep my emotions in check as it just gets my hopes up. But my gp is lovely and I would be lost without her. It is nice to feel listened to and not just fobbed off with it will happen stop worrying..

Ha ha! I had the same thing, he actually made me agree not to google them before he handed them over. We all knew that was EXACTLY what I was going to do but I guess they have to say it.

So glad it's been useful and your GP is such a gem, really good to hear. I'll cross my fingers and toes for a miracle for you! You just never know.

Btw, the other less than thrilling symptom I've had off and on the last 4 or so days, not every day, is what's charmingly known as fanny daggers - officially known as lightening crotch I think? Really fucking sore stabbing pain up the vag. I nearly jumped off the sofa when it hit the other night.

Anyone else had this either a symptom of af or pre-BFP? The internet seems split on what it means, and I read it's more common later on pre-labour.