Strapping on our lady balls and going menkul because we HATE THIS SHIT!! The Berries: a lovely bunch of 30 something Ladybros TTC #1

[happylass]

The small print:

The Berries have strict entrance criteria: TTC #1 for 12 months+, over 30, NO instadiffers, must have a special pimping pot and absolutely no mention of baby dust/dancing. Not that we're fussy!

Current Ladybros:

Minx 35 - TTC 2.5 years. Stage 4 endometriosis, both tubes blocked, 1 buried ovary, IVF #1 started Aug '15 at Mustache Towers, if all goes well results due mid-Sept.

Smidge 39, TTC since Jan '13. Unexplained. Some high NK cell immune treatment. IVF#1 Short protocol Jul'14 BFN; IVF#2 Nov'14 and IVF#3 Feb'15 both Long protocol BFNs; Natural FET Jun'15 - Another BFN. Trying to work out what to do next.

Happylass, 37, TTC since Aug 2012. 2 failed ICSI cycles, 1 failed FET and 1 abandoned cycle due to poor response. Hoping to start antagonist cycle mid September. HATE THIS SHIT!!

Beaky 35, ttc 3 yrs, 2x failed iui 1 long protocol ivf cancelled, 1 short protocol IVF BFN, very low amh etc etc. In 2ww for 2nd sp IVF.

Tigerdog, 35, ttc since Jan 2013. Unexplained. IVF #1 chemical pregnancy. Currently redoing tests in preparation for IVF #2.

barkingtreefrog 36, ttc since Dec 2011. clomid bfp summer 2013 then mc @7 weeks, iui bfp summer 2014 then mc @6 weeks. Factor V leiden thrombophilia diagnosed at the repeat mc clinic. IUI bfn Jan 2015, IVF bfn April/May 2015. FET bfn August 2015, remaining frozen embryo perished. Pursuing private tests and then long protocol ivf in Oct/Nov.

Lumen, 35, ttc since Nov 2011, unexplained, two IVF cycles in 2014, both bfns, waiting for lap&dye and results of numerous bloods, aiming for one last IVF cycle.

Kuma - 40. TTC 2.9 years. Low AMH high FSH - DH antisperm ABs. Failed IVF June 14 and March 15, cancelled cycle June 15. Last try September 15

Lucieloos, 36, TTC 18 months, low AMH & sperm motility. ICSI#1, April 2015, Czech, 2xblasts transferred, BFN. Icsi#2, cancelled before EC. Icsi#3, 2 mature and fertilised, both to blast and frozen. Icsi#4 in October, embryo banking.

Rain, 34, ttc since March 2012. unexplained. Mystery bfp oct 13, MMC Nov 13. IVF#1 Aug 2015

Sesame, 40, ttc with no dp, on this road for 2 years, multiple failed IVFs, 3 ETs, 1 bfp then mc, poor responder with v low AMH, but still looking for the golden egg.

nolly, 33, TTC 3 years, 1 confirmed MC, 2 more suspected. still in limbo

Spare, 34, TTC 3 years, IVF#1 short protocol + ICSI August 14 BFP but pregnancy loss at 20+ weeks, 3 failed FET, IVF #2 short protocol + PICSI August 15

Funkymonk 33. Ttc since October 2012. Mc June 2013, Mmc dec 2013, mc June 2014. Factor v Leiden thrombophilia. Abandoned IVF Jan 2015 due to thin lining. Abandoned FET Aug 2015 due to thin lining. 4 embies on ice. Cycling again November time I think.

Clem, currently on 3rd Clomid Cycle

Pip - quite simply the Best In Show.

beaky loving the womble with fivers growing out of it. I could really do with one of them to help with the fc fund. Odd that you and minx have different OTDs…

spare really sorry you’ve nothing for the freezer this time , but hopefully that just means the best ones are inside you right now, getting ready to burrow in for the next 9 months.

clem those freaking hot flushes, so horrid. I was really suffering with those from my last cycle, I was getting several an hour at one point, even in meetings. I even started carrying a fan round with me. Can’t imagine what my colleagues were thinking. Degree deadlines sounds impressive, what is it you’re studying?

So the fc called and despite big follicle, tell me to cancel again. I hate this shit. But instead, I have opted to try to collect from said follicle, so trigger tonight for EC on Wednesday. It felt horrible being forced to make a decision as big as this one within a single phone call, and I’m not entirely happy with the way it’s been handled – tho there is not a hell of a lot I can do about that. I usually like to take lots of time to think these kinds of things through. But that’s it for now, decision made, and we’ll have to see what Wednesday brings. Still hate this shit.

Right all you pupo berries, we had better see some signs of diffment over the next week or so. Us lot out on the course and in the paddock need some inspiration.

Wow, you chatty lot!

spare that list was actually just what was recommended for men, they had separate advice sheets for men and women so they could tell the women they had to deny themselves everything and then tell the men everything was fine in moderation, moderation meaning 14 fucking pints a week

So sorry you didn't get any frosties. But you've got two strong 'uns on board so everything crossed you don't need them. I had two frosties but a fat lot of good they did me! At least if they weren't going to make it it's better to know now than go through a failed fet as well. Clearly I'm now doing the hideous 'at least..' which is the last thing you need. You've had bad news and it's a fucking arse and you don't need me pointing out that things are bad but hey look on the bright side, so I'm going to rewind, give myself a slap, and just shout HATE THIS SHIT instead.

sesame any news?

happy based on no actual knowledge whatsoever I would say AF should happen around the same time as usual. But if your body doesn't like having extra hormones messing around with the natural order it might not. Happy to help

rain I caved and pimped on equivalent of 12dpo. I saw a bfp at 12dpo for the iui so I figured on a frer that might give me an answer.

smidge I'm also on day 3 thanks to AF turning up unannounced a week early and fucking everything up and was wondering whether we could still start downregging this month. Tests should be back in 3 weeks so that would still be before we needed to take anything that might be flagged up as necessary by the tests??
But the clinic weren't playing along. The bottom line was that they want all the boxes ticked on the form before they start. If the tests show I need prednisolone or intralipids they'd have to go back and tick the boxes afterwards and that just isn't the way it is done.
You should have seen the stress I caused by not having two of the tests done. She had to change all of the paperwork. It took her ten minutes .
So instead of going on holiday to chill out during the 2ww, I'll have to see how long they'll let me drag out the downregging as I'll be away when they would normally do the baseline scan
If you're not chomping at the bit to get going there's no harm giving yourself a month away from this shit (I'm in a sweary mood, sorry).

tiger it never fails to amaze me the things that are found out during investigations for something else when they'd not been picked up by previous medical people who were actually looking for them...

Hi kerrie, welcome
Just my opinion and feel free to disregard it but I would definitely get referred to the recurrent miscarriage clinic (I had a mc after clomid then another mc after iui and although you usually have to have 3 mc's before a referral I argued there was no point carrying on with fertility treatment before I found out whether I could stop it happening again). You could have been unlucky. But on the other hand there might be a treatable reason. Sometimes mc and implantation failure can be caused by the same thing.

minx laughing at your dh - oh well, might as well wait for a bit longer then?!
Triathlon went okay, I was a bit disappointed with how slow I was, but I couldn't really have expected more given I stopped training for each cycle of treatment, so should probably give myself a break.

sesame good news on the follie and lining, but so difficult to predict the best option. The rollercoaster of endless anxiety is just too much sometimes

If anyone else has posted since I attempted my third update I apologise, I'm struggling with the mobile website but I'll stop whinging about it soon.

I'm just generally fucked off being quite subtle about it though, bet you'd not noticed as not only did AF arrive a fucking week early, it arrived as I was about to do a triathlon, and I was in a field with nothing to stop the bleeding. It also messed up my holiday plans, and meant my slim hope for starting dr this cycle dropped like a lead balloon. And it's crampy and making me feel miserable. And then I woke up yesterday feeling bleugh, glands up, fever, headache etc. Then still felt shit this morning. Dragged myself to work and then told them I was going home again after visiting the toilet for a wee seven times in the less than two hours I was there, with increasing urgency. Ffs. Took a sachet of stuff and called the doc for some antibiotics. Running to the toilet has stopped but feel worn out.
Can someone please put me in a coma and wake me up when I'm about 8 months pg? HATE THIS SHIT!

spare sorry about your embies, must be frustrating...sending out as many good vibes as I can muster in your (and all other PUPO berries) direction.

seasame studying interior design (doing a total career change...worlds apart from what I've spent the last 15 years doing, in finance).

so, if anyone needs their wombles decorating, you know who to ask

barking you're so sweary tonight I thought I was lurking on the besh thread just go there so steal the vocab Actually I think you just made me feel a lot better about HATING ALL THIS SHIT. Anyway sorry about af and the crappy timing and all that jazz. But well done for the triathlon, that's an amazing achievement! If you get a chance would you share the advice sheet for women?

clem sounds amazing. How would you decorate your womb room?

Sesame I will be willing your little follicle on for ec on wed and then keeping everything crossed for you. What a tough decision to make quickly. I've found fertility to be quite like that generally, so now me and dh try to make decisions about stuff before we go in just in case tricky when you don't know the questions eh

Spare sorry about your other embies

Barking how frustrating. Have you booked yourself a holiday then?

clem that must be an interesting degree!

Good luck to your follie sesame. I hope it's the magic one. ORT stands for ovarian reserve test. I think it's usually referred to as antral folicle count or something like that - counts the number of follies in each ovary.

at the womb full of fivers beaky. I tested at either 8 or 9dp5dt I think. I think at 13-14 dpo it should be reasonably accurate - FRER and fmu to be on the safe side.

I've lost track of everyone's otds. So I'm just prancing about singing 'all the PUPO berries' and shaking my booty' for you all!

Posted too soon. That all sounds fucking annoying barking. Chin up tits out to get through it.

I'm knackered and on phone so will catch up properly tomorrow. It has been busy in here!

Hello
I had tests done for my fertility and everything came back good, the only thing they found was that I have a tilted womb. I don't no if that makes any difference. If this icsi round fails I don't no what I will do. Not sure if I can take the heartache any more to try anything. I still want a child but dnt want the Shit that comes before it.

Hi Berries - thanks for the new thread happy!

Kerrie welcome to this most hospitable but unfortunate location, may your stay be short.

I'll try and be a better Berry this thread, just needed the last 3 months to get some headspace. I hope that my natural cycle will start at the end of this month, it was supposed to start now, but AF arrived sooner than expected and buggered the timings up. . This last cycle was only 23 days which is stupidly short, all that after my last IVF was postponed because I hadn't shown signs of ovulation at CD9, in the end that cycle was 36 days. HATE THIS SHIT. With another short cycle start date could be 28 Sept...

Tiger great news on your ORT, good luck for the 3DSIS - I found that one particularly uncomfortable so I recommend some painkillers beforehand.

I hope all the PUPOs are doing OK, I'm doing some Beyonce dancing - something my DH is famed for ... I'm sure I could get him to do some moves for you guys too.

Sorry not to catch up with everybody today - you talkative bunch - but I'll hopefully be back tomorrow!

Sorry if this posts twice (having network issues).

Question ref supplements and how quick the start to take effect. Specifically Co 10 and any for DH.

Am due to ovate around weekend after next...so if we starting taking in next few days...would that benefit us when trying this month? Thanks.

Ovulate, not ovate. Sorry was typing that in the car.

tiger thanks, ovarian reserve test, of course, I'm guessing they use afc plus amh test? It sounds like you've got a good number of follies there.

Thanks for the good follie wishes beaky and tiger. There's not much to do today but wait. No stabbing, no nothing...

Sorry about af buggering things up kuma, I get stupid short cycles too, tho I'm not really sure what's normal for me anymore what with all the treatment.

clem I think the general rule for supplements to take effect is about 3 months. That's how long it takes from the beginning of follie recruitment to ovulation. Think it also takes 3 months to make sperm. But won't do any harm to start any of these right now. I only started CoQ10 about 4 weeks ago, but fx it still makes a difference.

sesame I'll see if I can take a photo of it and upload, it wasn't a simple list like for the men.

beaky Not booked the holiday yet, can't decide exactly what to do and I usually impulsively book and then realise I should have done it differently (like booking return flights to Auckland when we travelled down to the south Island and ended up flying from Christchurch to Auckland to fly home when we could have just flown home from Christchurch.. )
I want to go to Morocco, but not sure whether to just head to Agadir and chill (while dh goes surfing) or travel around and then possibly fly home from marrakesh. Right now I still feel shit so chilling sounds good. But by October I might want to be in the Atlas mountains and up for travelling...
And DH is 'too busy' to do any research into it himself.

kuma my unwanted early arrival gave me a 25 day cycle when I was expecting it to be 31/32! Bloody ridiculous! I hate how we have no control over it. I suppose technically I could go on the pill to control it, but that wouldn't really help with my miracle diff now, would it?!
Perhaps I've been delayed a month for a reason. Perhaps I'm going to get pg by simply having sex and therefore won't need the ivf! mental note, this requires having sex, need to remember that this is usually associated with how you get pg
You too Kuma. Let's have our own ironidiff cluster diff

clem I agree with Sesame, general rule of thumb is all changes in lifestyle /diet take 3 months to have the full effect, but it's going to be progressive rather than no difference for 2 months and 29 days and then Whomph! You're healthy! the day later.

Hello everyone-
It's test day for me tomorrow and I really don't want to do it. I can't deal with negative. I have been so down lately because of this cycle and it being the last that I am now even doubting my marriage. What is wrong with me. [Confused] and that is making me feel a e whole lot worse. :(

Tiger loving your moves! any news on a new date from the FC?

Rain how are you feeling? Are you testing tomorrow or holding off til Friday? Fx.

Kerrie crossing everything for a bfp for you, we are all here for you, whatever the outcome. Also try not to dwell on other things at the moment, you won't be thinking about things as you would if you weren't in the middle of a cycle. Now is not the time to make any other decisions.

kuma fx for starting ASAP, and loving yours and Mr Kuma's moves

Barking it's ridiculous that we can't just make a decision and book stuff.

Clem yes wot the others said about 3 months but start now anyway.

Sesame very best of luck to you for ec tomorrow. Will be waiting to hear!

Spare and minx how are you both feeling?

I tripped up the stairs today but otherwise nothing to report most boring update ever

PUPO berries and others who've taken progesterone do you take it at the same times every day?

I have spoken to a councillor and and told my husband how I feel but he wants us to stop. So now I have to choose. Well I'm out of this forum now :(. It has been a pleasure speaking to you all. I truly hope you do all get your miracles. Xx

I have spoken to a councillor and my husband and he wants us to stop trying. I now have to choose. Sorry to put this on all of you. I am leaving the forum now. I truly hope you all get your miracles. Xx

I have spoken to a councillor and my husband and he wants us to stop trying. I now have to choose. Sorry to put this on all of you. I am leaving the forum now. I truly hope you all get your miracles. Xx

Ah Kerrie that's so sad, you don't need to be sorry to us and as Minx says don't feel you have to leave this thread either

barking thanks. Both those holiday options sounds lovely and it would be good to have something to look forward to.

minx thanks, hope you're chilling on the pupo pouffe. Distractions are good.

rain have you decided when you will test?

beaky thanks, sorry about the trip. I think the one time I was on progesterone I stuck it up my chuff before I got out of bed in the morning and lay there for a few minutes for it to absorb. I guess that means same time each day. I doubt it's as time dependent as the stabbing was pre ec tho.

kerrie really sorry things are so tough And fx you get your miracle too.

On my way to the fc now. It's too early.

Good luck today sesame, will be thinking of you

Keri any news? I hope you're ok, did DH go to the counselling with you?

Not testing till Friday, can't face it! Definitely not feeling optimistic anymore, HATE THIS SHIT.

Just popping in quickly to say Kerrie my heart goes out to you. I can't imagine going through as many cycles as you have - you are one brave lady. As others have said feel free to stick around. You will find an amazing support network here whatever the future holds
Rain how are you doing? Hope you're hanging in there. The days leading up to OTD are nothing short of tortue.
Beaky I tried to use the progesterone at roughly the same time every day but I wasn't strict about it. I didn't stress if I was late coming home - I just did it when I could.
A big wave to everyone else. Gotta dash - will catch up later.

sesame How did you get on? Hope it all went to plan
Kerri Did you test? Keeping everything crossed for you. And to reiterate, we are still here whatever you decide as a next step...
rain How are you feeling? Props for your patience to wait until Friday. This waiting game is just hideous.

I'm driving myself quietly mad symptom spotting. When I got my bfp, I had some twinges days before testing. So I spent actual time in a meeting yesterday working out how many days before OTD I felt twinges and therefore what day this week I should expect to feel them, and therefore wondering if the twinges I have felt could be feel or in my head. And then spent a good few mins tweaking my nipples in the shower this morning to see if they were sore (Clue: after several minutes of tweaking, yes they were)

Like barking said, I wish they could just knock me out for a few weeks and wake me up when it was all fine and out of the woods