smack those rats, sniff those drugs; we dont care how, but we will get our babies and we are BROOKING NO ARGUMENT

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Glad they're keeping a close eye beedle, that can only be good, brooking for the next dildocam

I've done 5 days of injections so far, I'm starting to feel a little sort of heavy around my ovaries. I'm a little worried about them overstimmulating me as I have never had the dosage increased before and Monday seems a long way away.

10mm sounds spot on for day 5. Could you ask for an earlier dildocam if you're worried? Try not to worry though - the last thing they want to do is overstim.

I'm sure it will be ok, its not like I'm in any danger of OHSS, I just don't want any of the eggs to be over ripe!

Its quite possible they will scan me on Monday and then I'll have the trigger shot that evening. For us to take part in the PGS study I need to have EC between Wednesday and Friday, so they don't want to risk under stimming me either.

That does seem far off but you have to trust they know what they're doing x

It's so easy to assume that things will go wrong Beedle isn't it? I think that's a side effect of infertility - when nothing's been on your side so far the default position is to assume it never will be.

They do know what they're doing of course - that niggling worry is always there though - god knows I doubted so many times last cycle that they had got my dosage wrong.

It will be all okay, you mark our words.

Is that the same as PGD beedle?

You're doing great, just keep plodding on

We have our FC appt tomorrow, brooking we can start soon

good luck with the appointment keep hopefully they won't make you wait too long or have too many tests again.

I Think PGD is where you look for a specific genetic problem, when you know you are a carrier of a disease. PGS is just checking that the embryos have the right number of chromosones, so downs and similar would be spotted (and then discarded - sounds awful when I put it that way). But it will only go ahead if we have 5 good embryos on day 2 as they will only test blastos, and as its a blind study we won't be told if we were tested until I take the pregnancy test.

Oh and I've worked out that if I now have 5 days at 300 menopur and 5 days at 375 its only marginally more than the 11 days at 300 I did last time, so I don't Think I really need to worry that its too much medicine!

Oh beedle so they'd knowingly put back a chromasomally abnormal embryo??

No no they would discard them if they found any "abnormal" ones, but we could be in the Group that aren't tested, in which case its the same as any other pregnancy and we wouldn't know if anything is wrong with the embryos.

I haven't checked with them yet, but I assume they won't actually tell us how many blastos we have frozen until after the test results are known. Otherwise it will be a bit obvious if we have say 2 frozen and then they say we only have one left.

What time's your appt Keep

Medication sounds absolutely fine Beedle!

I can't decide when to start next round of IVF. Was supposed to start on the pill at the beginning of my December AF with IVF starting 28 days later in January. However, with my long cycles, it doesn't look like I'll have a December AF - it will be end-Nov or beginning Jan.

End-Nov would be fine, but for the fact that I'd need to go for scratch/initial scans at Christmas. This isn't necessarily an issue except it won't be easy to take time off work between Christmas and New Year (work get very strict on lateness/home-working during this time) plus knowing my luck I'd need to go for my scan on Christmas Day/Boxing Day - I would doubt the clinic is even open then.

That said, if I wait until end-Jan to start, the treatment is likely to clash with some stuff that we have planned in Feb.

Maybe I'll phone and ask about Christmas opening. That would be my preference I think.

I have to say the timing/waiting/organising is by far the most annoying thing about IVF. It's just such a faff.

imps seeing as how being on the pill is not a "proper" cycle could they not put you on it for a longer or shorter time instead? Then you would be able to get the timing you want.

I do agree that timing and waiting is a pain in the arse, we get an extra downtime month in July as well, I first spoke to our clinic in June, even with my short cycles and me not needing any more tests and there being no "waiting time" it has taken over 4 months to get to EC. I seem to spend all my time waiting for stuff to happen (or not happen!)

You genius Beedle! Yes, maybe I could go on the pill for 28+ days! I will ask.

:o glad to help imps actually being on the pill over Xmas could be quite relaxing, no trying to arrange to have the sex at the right time, no wondering if that slight twinge in the vague area of your womb is actually a sign of implantation, no wondering if you could actually be pregnant even though you've hardly been near MrImps all month (just to be clear I definitely haven't been anywhere near Mr Imps this month!!!)

Not have I Beedles!!

D'oh - "nor"

Argh the waiting is the worst.
I got v upset at our appt when the doc said pregnancy rate with the blasts we had put back would be 65%, made me feel like I failed them and I cried

Anyway, all bad luck etc etc, but will use a scratch and embryo glue next time. Said they'd usually use LP as I'm not at risk of ohss but equally happy for us to use same protocol as last time. We chose SP

BUT we have to do bloods and sperm and a group teaching session, THEN a consent appt, then scratch. I can't see it happening before march!!

So we have just rung the private clinic, we can have initial consultation in 2 weeks and start 2-6 weeks after that... V tempted to move, I just can't handle all the waiting

Why is it so fucking difficult? Why can't we all just have a shag? (Not each other..)

Yes, I'm just round the corner Imps! I didn't realise quite how close, but thought it funny that the clinic has the same name as a nearby village.. Dur.

I'm good thank you :-) How is everything with you? Argh to the potential Christmas timing. I'm in awe of how you all juggle work, life, thousands of appointments and drugs..

How're you lovely? Brooking those ovaries are just right :-)

keep, it's all so tough and unfair. The waiting must be so tough. I can understand the temptation to go private - I guess it depends on if you can afford to?

Keep without wanting to sound stupid, but what's the difference between the clinic you were with and the private clinic? Presumably you'd need to pay privately wherever you are? Or do you get a discount with an NHS clinic? Either way the waiting is total and utter pants, but at the same time I am utterly amazed at how quickly time passes in hindsight. To think Mr I and I are already nearly a year since our first treatment! Seems like yesterday.

The scratch and the glue will make a world of difference. You didn't fail your last blastos! They clearly just had somewhere else they needed to be. Tears are more than okay though, obvs.

Musical d'oh you doofus! When I'm on mat leave I will pop in to yours and say hello!

imps my current clinic I am 'self pay' rather than private. I think this means that some elements eg sperm analysis and bloods are covered by the nhs, and the costs are not for profit. the other hospital is a private hospital. the priv one is smaller but similar success rates. it doesn't appear much more expensive but I wonder if with the extras it may end up being so. it feels a bit of effort to move and we do like current clinic but if we are going to be multiple rounds I can't handle the waiting. I think we will do our bloods and SA at current clinic and then try and move for the round. For example we got the only cancellation between now and FEBRARY for the SA

hiya lovely musical it's always good to live near a brooker! the juggling of appointments without telling work etc is one of the hardest/most stressful things. Annoyingly I actually work IN a hospital, but not one that does assisted conception, they are both the other side of town.

imps a year since your first treatment? I am also thinking if we get scratch done next cycle then my following one would start early December, so ET would be around Christmas or just before, and sod's law i'll have a long cycle next month.. I definitely agree you should be able to use the pill to extend that 'cycle' a bit - hope they agree to that!

I had been hoping for a bit of empathy from my dh and he wasn't too bad but he said after I cried on the doctor 'oh someone cried on me this morning - I was telling her that her husband had extensive liver cancer etc etc' :( that made me realise I have nothing to cry about. Perspective, woman.

beedle I'm brooking for your eggs for Monday x

Bloody hell keep 4 month wait for a SA, we'd have never got anywhere if MrB had had to book 4 months in advance! Although I was moaning about how long things take yesterday, I have just worked out that from our first appointment with the new clinic to EC will be only 8 weeks, which is pretty fab really. Mainly due to us not needing any more tests, apart from the stuff they did at the first appointment, which was dildocam, and blood tests for thryoid and AMH.

I know it's mad, a diff hospital dumped their SAs on this one so they are overwhelmed. I hope our timelines would be similar at the priv clinic, I've just emailed to ask for an appt.
That is quite quick beedle, but you've been waiting far too long already. Does mrbeedle stab you I suppose you're an expert. I intend to not do any myself again...

I don't Think I'd let him near me with a needle! he did stab himself with an extra needle to see what it felt like, but I Think the drugs going in hurt more than the actual needle.

Not sure what is going on with my computer and with the random capital letters, Think does not need one!

Yes to the drugs hurting more than the needle! Cetrotide is particularly burny. In a funny sort of way I actually really enjoy the injections - I've always been so needle-phobic that every time I stab myself I feel a bit proud that I've managed to do it. Even the stingy ones I don't mind.

Still bloody hate having my bloods done though.

8 weeks is pretty okay really. Brooking that it's only another 9 months until the baby turns up!