smack those rats, sniff those drugs; we dont care how, but we will get our babies and we are BROOKING NO ARGUMENT

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hello!

Yay new thread!!

I am another short protocol gal, found it really quick and no side effects from the drugs (but that might be because I produced 2 eggs!!)

cup I really sympathise with the rib pain, I felt like little far was breaking them at the end, she would have her feet against them and stretch out! Poor thing was very tall so I think she was squashed in there. Hopefully it will get better when the baby drops down, yay, not long to go now!!

beedle any news? Thinking of you.

imps have you managed to just sneak in there with this cycle then?

Can I request some brooking for tomorrow's scan? I am suddenly sooo nervous, gah, imagine I will have a sleepless night tonight. I just feel like I have cheated nature somehow, we were told there was a 5% chance of a natural conception and so I fell something is bound to be wrong with the baby.

I've had a bit of a stressful weekend waiting for AF to turn up, I spent far too much time googling false negatives and hcg levels! But she eventually appeared on Sunday evening. I've spoken to teh clinic about using the final frosty this month but they're not sure they can fit us in, if not we'll have to wait until august. I should hear back from them today or tomorrow. Hopefully it will be OK, if not I think I'd rather look into doing another full cycle in August - but as we will now have to pay I'm not sure if it would be better to go elsewhere. But then I don't know if we will have to have all the tests again or if we will be able to just give them our medical notes from the hospital (if they will even give them to us). I don't think there will be too much differnce in price as if we go somewhere else we can pay from our pre-tax income (an absolutely amazing perk from both our employers). So much to think about, but I need to know we have the next step planned.

imps your trip away sounded lovely and I understand the difficulty of planning cycles aroud other stuff, I think we've gone too far the other way and have hardly got anything planned. The only time we have some stuff palnned is in July as I know we definitely won't be having any treatment then as everywhere will be shut.

beedles I am so sorry it was a bfn :(
Great news about being able to pay pre tax though and I think the fact you are producing frosties is a great sign, hardly anyone does, I think 10% of cycles? So I am sure you will get there.
Have you been tested for any immunes/implantation issues at all?

far good luck for tomorrow, is it an early scan or a 12 week one? I'm brooking there is a tiny (or not so tiny) bean with a beating heart.
My frosties aren't so unusual as they freeze at day 2 here rather than the more common day 5 blasto. I don't think that testing for other stuff is so common here either, I have looked at the 2 private clinics here and neither of them mention such things, they don't even mention endometrial scratch or anything. But I will ask if we decide to go that way.
I think if we do have another full cycle I will request that we freeze everything freezable, as I believe we will have a better chance that way. Especially after this last frozen attempt with progesterone where af didn't arrive until nearly 3 days after I stopped taking it (19dpo). I have never before got to more than 15dpec without bleeding on a full cycle.

Oooh you nearly lost me forever - MN logged me out (HOW DARE IT??) and normally I'm not one for remembering passwords but luckily I had a moment of inspiration and remembered it.

What a fabulous, shiny and overwhelmingly positive new thread! May it bring only the happiest of news for us all.

Beedles boo to the BFN but hurrah for getting straight back on that horse. V tricky to know what to do about changing clinics. Are there anymore around you where you can make enquiries? I'd be really surprised if you'd have to repeat tests etc. Do all clinics do day2/3 transfers as standard? Could you try one which does blasto transfers to see if that gets better results? You seem to produce enough eggs to be able to try for blasto (you got 9 last time didn't you?). Have you had a look at fertilityfriends.com? They tend to have clinic-specific threads but am not sure if it's just a UK thing. It's so hard to know it a different clinic may be better for you - Cups what encouraged you to change clinics and what made your mind up?

Far brooking for the scan and for Farfette being fine and dandy. Am so sorry for your friend btw - 4 MCs is very very tough going. Brooking that she gets there.

I think we will prob start our next round at end of July. It wasn't all doom and gloom re: me - on the plus side she said that 3 good eggs from 4 embryos is a great result (they would expect 1 or 2) and the 2day embie was top grade. It only takes one after all, as well we know :)

oh beedle hi! glad you're thinking of next steps. I agree about possibly going to blasto. also do they have the embycam anywhere? sweetie used that and I think it means a) they can choose the best emby and b) they don't disturb them to check on them. I guess you could look at testing the embryos too - they offered us that in Thailand but it was quite pricy and I think not recommended by NICE unless you've had several failed cycles. what do the drs say, just that it's bad luck?

far good luck for tomorrow. I think the opposite - little farfette beat the odds, so is clearly perfect and meant to be.

I think they were less choosy about freezing in Thailand, so no idea what our odds are. I think we had another emby same stage as kip, and the other two were slightly slower. but kip was only graded 'fair', so clearly what do they know!

Ooh! New thread!

Imps' glam weekend break sounded lovely and cups talk of rib-kicking reminded me of my own pregnancies Dd2 used to kick me so hard in the last few weeks that I actually recognised her feet when she was born.

Me, I've been having mega-doubts again. I'm worried that I just want to be pregnant and have a newborn. Sometimes, when dd1 is at school and dd2 is at preschool, I enjoy the time to myself (well, me and my adored MolotovDog ). How would I get 2 dds and a baby ready for the school run on time? What happens when they all argue? Or are all stroppy? Would I be pulled in too many directions; would I get time to myself? (I've realised that I value that).

It's a shit not being sure. I'm in the process of giving the garden a makeover to try and clear my head which is actually counterproductive as it makes the house nicer; a house we need to leave if we had another child

Oh, but don't get me wrong - I'm very excited by the garden makeover!

Beedles that news officially sucks!!

Far brooking for your scan

Keep - clearly Kip is graded as way more than fair, we must get together soon

I think someone asked how I was, I'm sick as a.... Really sick thing! Having to limit portions to side plate sized as anymore and I'm bring it straight back up again! I hit 11 weeks tomorrow (where the hell did the last 5 weeks go?!??) and have my 12 week scan booked for next week

Good luck today Far and Farfette

Far Brooking hard for your scan today. I agree with Keep that little farfette is a miracle and is meant to be

Beedle I'm so sorry it was a definite bfn but I agree it's progress that AF was actually delayed by the progesterone this time. It's so good that you can pay for your IVF before tax. If I was you I would have a look around at other clinics to see if they can offer you anything else. I would definitely recommend the embryoscope and scratch if you can get it. That said you produce good numbers of eggs and respond well to IVF so I'm sure it's just down to chance that it hasn't worked so far

Keep how dare they grade Kip as fair, she's definitely top grade my baby was graded as average quality according to my cycle summary. They clearly don't know what they are talking about as he's anything but average!

For me the decision to change clinic was easy as my nhs one was so bad. There success rates are about 19% compared to 39% at Care plus I had no faith in them at all. On my 3rd cycle I was put back on long protocol which I was worried about but the consultant was adamant I was overstimmed first time around and that he could get better quality eggs which he did. Imps I'm sure you are in good hands at your clinic as Bourne hall have a good reputation

Sparks sorry to hear you are feeling so rough but hopefully it's a good sign that Sparklet is doing well. I can't believe you are 11 weeks already

Molotov you must be driving yourself crazy with all this indecision. One of my friends got pregnant by accident with her dc3 last year and she had no plans to have anymore. He was prem and has had some health issues but he is the light of their lives and I know she has no regrets.

I had to go in yesterday for monitoring as I had reduced movements. Baby seemed fine on the monitor but movements have still been more subtle. I'm having a scan today to check growth and position of placenta. The doctor doesn't seem too worried she thinks it's because I've got an anterior placenta and now baby has moved down he is pressing against it more. That said she is concerned my placenta is lying lower than she thought which could be a problem for labour so needs to check it out. I'm feeling strangely nervous about having a scan and had a weird dream that they couldn't find baby and is been making it up about being pregnant

Cups that feeling never goes away! Even after I had Twinks I was convinced someone had made a mistake

Good luck with the scan cups I hope there is a baby there and its not just wind! :O When you changed clinics did you have to go through all teh testing again or did they just look at your notes and decide they could do better?
I'm not sure teh decision to change clinics is quite so clear cut, the results are very similar for my age group, and nothing has gone obviously wrong with my treatment. One of the private clinics seems to do quite a bit of research, so maybe they do use some newer techniques/ideas. MrB thinks we should carry on where we are, but he does admit that I know a lot more than he does about ivf so he happy to look into teh other places if I want to.

sparks sorry you're feeling so rough, hopefully it will ease off soon.

cups, dreams are funny old things! I'm sure you do have a baby in there I hope all goes well with your scan.

I had a dream last night that I was 8w pg. I felt fine about it: a little worried about giving birth again but not panicked. It's properly wedged into my subconscious, this baby stuff. I'm sure I'd have put it out of my mind long before now if I really didn't want it?

I think I ov'd yesterday or the day before so my chance this month might well have passed. However, I feel that I'm infinitely repeating myself and so am not going to keep harping on ('Thank God' I bet you're thinking! )

I feel a bit of a fraud on this thread, you know ...

Good luck and positive thoughts for your scan today far

thanks all, I see you were up at the same time as me imps!!

All was well with the scan, nice healthy baby and low risk for everything. And this time its a BOY!
Can't quite believe it

Will be back properly to update as have only just got into work :)

far - how exciting! How do you know the gender? Did you have the harmony test? Or just a very detailed scan

beedle - very sorry to hear your news. Hoping you hear soon re: the next go

Hope everyone else is well

I had my 12 week scan two weeks ago and blood results last week and all well. 14 weeks now - which seems a bit mad. Feeling a lot better and sickness now seems to be disappearing, thank God

Ps - sorry I've been AWOL. I couldn't seem to get onto the last thread for the last few weeks. Have been thinking of you all though!

cups brooking all is OK. is he still breech?

I have booked my consent appt, and we can start the next cycle, 24/07, but I can keep ringing for cancellations

ooh I missed loads of posts. far yay!! a baby brother. so pleased all is good

Molotov it's blindingly obvious to me you are going to TTC, so might as well get started!

beedle different situation but here they accepted all blood tests etc from last time but wanted to do another scan. I'm sure copies of sperm analysis, your bloods etc would do. perhaps you could have a consultation somewhere else just to see what they said, before making any decision? stats can hide a lot - some just 'cherry pick' the easy patients etc. have you done 3 fresh + 2 FET now?

Yaaaaayyyy Far!!! A baby boy! I can't believe they can tell the sex so early?!

Hello Gob lovely to see you. Was wondering where you'd gone!

Yay far love a nice bit of scan news! Time to come up with boy names then (is it me or are there not as many as for girls?)

Molotov but in 4/5 years time you'll have me-time again... glad gardening is giving you something to nurture and taking your mind off things. It's very clear cut for me as I've said before: there is a person missing from my family. I don't know why but it does rather take the agonising out of it! We are very lucky to already live in a 4 bed in an "outstanding" school catchment though so don't have to worry about cash to fund a move ever ever EVER again after this time Also where we live is cheap, and wwe've already taken the hit of me giving up work (anither reason for not wanting to space them too much: if dc3 comes along fairly rapido I should be able to return to work when I'm around 30/31 and start building a career then. But, best laid plans and all that.........