Bring along any luck you can find ..This BESHly fred is brought to you by the magic number 3 - come on Hags, we can Foo it!

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You know the drill by now ...

Rules of Entry - must be over 30, TTC no. 1 for over a year, be suitably evil and Hag like, willing to shout Cunt at the moon on regular occasions, consume extra gin when our fellow hags are unable to, and to get the nipple tassles out for any successful Hag ...

and now we've been trained by the government in our new MI5 roles, we are likely to get a little Ninja on your ass if you babydust round here ...

No admittance without a complete BESHtionnaire - see below.

Bugs Thanks so much for sharing that. I am convinced, I will ask around for a good wood needle lady!

I am sorry to hear that your anxiety is so bad at the moment. It sucks and it takes over your life. Good on you for getting help and starting on medication. It's not something that I discard at all, and I have often discussed it with my therapist, I was just afraid that it could affect TTC negatively...

Hello hags! Sorry to hear about your Dad Barking, that sounds rubbish. I hope they've been able to make him comfortable?

Cave, good luck with spaff and blood tests and fingers crossed you get the show on the road!

Erica I'm a huge fan of woo needles ladies. AMAZING for anxiety - sometimes when I've been mega stressed and I big bundle of nerves I've had acu and instantly fallen asleep and been like that for the whole session. Equally when I've needed energy it's given me the boost I needed. My woo needles lady is also going through a very successful time with her ladies and loads of them are now pregnant which is also a good sign.

Blue, I hope all is ok with you now?

Rain, Barking - good luck for the next IVF rounds!!!

Coop - stick with this fred and you'll learn everything you can possibly need to know about IVF. And never say never! It took us 4.5 years, 3 rounds of IVF and a shit ton of drucks before we got lucky.

AFM - well we had the 20 scan today. 20 weeks!!!! Totes emosh, the baby is looking fabulous - everything growing as it should, all in the right place. So amazed that we've got this far. Truly amazing! I was running out of hope and our last round was definitely the least productive and yet somehow, against the odds, our little fighter decided to survive.

Fab So happy for you, hag! Congratulations!!

Ok, looks like I will spend most of today researching acupuncture in my area then

Ok, I knew the woo needles would be expensive but argh! This plus the therapy plus the IVF it is going to make a really expensive baby (hopefully!! If we do win one! Positive thinking! Erm...).

Bugs and Fab - what kind of prices should I expect to pay?

A place in my area (I am not in the UK) with good reviews on their fertility treatment charges around 45 GBP for first visit and 35 GBP per visit from then on, around 12 weekly visit recommended before starting IVF? Sounds reasonable?

Lovely to hear from you fab! 20 weeks! Wooooooooooo!!!!!!

You know Hags, we are gonna need a new Fred soon ....

So lovely to hear from you fab, glad everything's going well for a fellow hag

Erica I'm paying £40 a session. Doesn't matter how stressed I am when I arrive, I feel great when I'm there and when I leave then the dog behaves like a twat and DCW says something that winds me up for no reason and I'm right back where I started I luffs my woo lady.

fab 20 bloody weeks?! How did that happen?

Sorry to be AWOL. Nowt happening here just waiting for nk cells results and trying to miraculously sort my uneven cycles out in the meantime. Again. Have pretty much given up. Signed up to my first triathlon in July as have no hope I'll have reason not be taking part. Also making plans for DCW and me to quit work for a year and just fuck off and have some fun. Life is too short to spend waiting 4 years for baby to come along and watching everyone fall pg with number two when they didn't even have number one or even a bump when you started trying.
Dad still in hospital. Not happy and not being particularly well cared for. Not going to start nurse bashing, they're all over worked and under staffed, but it's so sad to see.

Thanks Hags - feels crazy that I'm halfway through but fabulous too.

I'm very lucky in the my sister is my acupuncturist so I get it for free but normally she charges £60 for initial consultation then £45 a sesh.

Hello hags. How is everybody doing? I've been lurking for a while, but haven't been posting anywhere as I didn't feel quite like I belong in any thread.

barking, I'm sorry to read about your dad - that's awful. Sending good thoughts your way, and I hope he gets some better care soon. When are your nk results due? They seem to be taking quite a while. Go you with the triathlon. I am in awe of people who are so fit and active.

blue, hope everything is ok.

erica, sorry you've been having a rough time. Agree re woo and meditation. Stick those needles in you!

rain (and barking) - come on next IVF round!

I just thought I'd drop in to say that I had an early scan, and there is definitely a baybee in there. Measuring 8+6, so pretty much bang on, and a good heartbeat. It was amazing to see. I'm still gripped with terror, but have booked in for Harmony at 11 weeks, and my booking-in at 12, so will be counting days between scans.

Fab, congrats and I may see you beyond in the other thread. I'll also lurk here and follow your updates, hags. I miss "talking" to you all every day.

Hi bad, lovely to hear from you with good news about badlet - you'll be a confident PESH in no time

Feeling crappy again, another accidental pg announcement on fb by someone who's 5 years younger than me

And bumped into an old friend who I've not seen (and doesn't use fb) for a while at the weekend, his wife (didn't know he had one!) just had their first baby.

Surprise pregnancy and baby announcements suck. Hags should be allowed to exist a parallel no baby announcement universe!

Except BESH announcements which are always welcome

I'm lurking! Finally a BESH clusterdiff!!

True, tis always good news to hear a BESH announcement! Come over to PESH when you're ready! I'll update there when I get chance!

Cheering on the rest of the BESH too! I may not post much but I do think about you a lot, I'd never have got to where I am without your huge support and I hope I can help in any way!

Hurrah for good scanage! Great news fab and bad

Hopefully we should get the spaff results tomorrow, then it's on to my blood tests.

I feel you Coop - I had THREE fucking announcements on the same day a few weeks ago and I have barely recovered...

Did you get the results Cave?

How is everyone else doing? We can't TTC for the next two months and we won't start IVF stuff before then so I am back in limbo. Generally feeling that a break is good but at the same time, feeling sort of panicky. Quite a few people in my wider social circle got married this year and a few are pregnant already, how is that even possible? Why is it so hard for us??

I know I sound like a broken record, I will stop now.

Erica I was at DCW's brother's wedding this weekend and all the way through I was close to tears thinking that before long we'll have another pg announcement and the in-laws will get yet another grandchild, leaving DCW as the only one not to have produced, despite us starting ttc before two of the siblings had even met their partners... .

No news here, nk cells results take 3-4 weeks so not expecting them until the end of the month (by letter).

THREE erica?! I felt sick yesterday from the one. They still live with their respective parents ffs
I did find that after our first month "off" I felt better for a couple of months though - hopefully you will too.

Aw barking, have the salmon of solidarity hag, it's shit isn't it? My parents have grandchildren from both of my younger siblings so they've lost interest now...

Any news cave?

I've decided I need external help.. I've contacted a fertility issues specialist and am waiting for initial appointment times. This is what's become of my life!

Barking No siblings as such, but all Mr Erica's close friends have had one or two children since we started TTC and yup, some of them had not met their partners back on those days of yore!

Coop I know, that was some week end... Since then I had two more, none of which was wanted, apparently. How do other couples manage to have the one 'we both forgot to bring condoms' roll in the hay and BAM! pregnant is beyond me...

Are you thinking of starting treatment or seeking therapy to help you cope? Or both? Because that's me too!

Therapy to help me cope erica, my head is a bit of a mess recently and unfortunately I feel like I need a neutral third party to talk to

Coop Sorry to hear you are having such a rough time but it sounds like a great idea. Therapy is the best thing I've done to cope with infertility, bar none.

That's good to hear erica, do you still go? Do/did you go alone or as a couple?