We are jolly well going to have the number of babies we want and we will BROOK NO ARGUMENT. Join us if you refuse to take "no" for an answer and like smacking rats.

[Imps9]

We will get there. We will all of us get there. And we will brook no argument.

eek beedle! I am brooking brooking BROOKING for you x

so I didn't bf last night for the first time. she was fine

beedle I am coming over to sit on you until you do a FRER, I can't bear the suspense!!

keep the last breast feed is always a bit sad, although I had to have an emergency one about a week after stopping as I had a blockage, small feed cleared it and then the milk was gone :(

imps you can get one with a personalised babygrow, yay

far you're more than welcome, please bring a whole stack of FRER with you!

keep Glad it wasn't traumatic for kip, even if it was for you!

Oooooooh! Beedles am monstrously excited for you...

My OB (Online Baby) must be free range and from an FSC accredited source, otherwise I'm out.

imps artisan babies

Mine obviously wouldn't be /direct/ from Amazon - it'd be from a Fairtrade, boutique seller via Amazon and I'd happily pay tax on it

Beedles you are so good for not testing. Oh I hope for good news for you!

Well done keep ... bittersweet isn't it the last feed? Fx she is ok tonight too!!

Checking in a bit early for Beedles OTD. I'm Brooking like mad for the most deserved BFP ever ??

One sorry I completely missed your post the other day. Welcome and here's hoping your BFP will be quick

Welcome back Loopy, fingers crossed you have smacked that rat! How are you feeling?

Keep for your last feed with Kip. I can still remember your BFP like it was yesterday. Time flies.

Mail order babies why has no one thought of it before??? I bet you can get some lovely ones on Etsy

Another BFN this morning, but still no AF I guess it must just be the progesterone I'll test again tomorrow to be sure

beedle I'm so sorry

cups are you practising for night feeds?

Oh Beedle :( When is OTD?

Oh I'm so sorry Beedle

Keep I'm too uncomfortable to sleep for more than a few hours at a time. I guess it's good practice at least.

dreadful cramps here, it will be cd1 shortly paracetamol doing nothing

beedle :( how many days post EC are you and are you using a FRER? Those internet cheapies just don't work for me so don't lose faith if you used one of them :)

keep I had the most AWFUL cramps for a week or two with this BFP. Just saying.

hi ladies!
beedles sorry the pee sticks aren't agreeing.
keep glad s was fine without her feed. its always a bit sad when these things stop isn't it, they are growing up so quick.
cups hope your getting lots of day time naps!

I'm having a horrible period so someone must be getting a bfp! I'm sure they are coming earlier and earlier in the month, I always knew roughly when to expect it but it seems to be changing. I'm going to start keeping track properly just incase something odd is going on. my awful pms has slowly been returning and getting worse over the past months. I get so wound up and stressed everything feels like a big deal and I'm easily upset. it makes me wonder whether I'm a good enough mother to have another child.

Trix! You sound really low poppet. Repeat after me: "My child is happy and healthy because of me. I am a fucking awesome mother".

Down days are allowed. But don't let them cloud your judgement. X

Beedle sorry re bfn, fingers crossed it's just a crap IC.

I have no idea what's going on with me. Today is cd26. Based on a stab in the dark because of long and slightly irregular cycles, I would have possibly expected to ovulate between now and Monday, but was hopeful for an earlier ovulation as the hysteroscopy might have altered things. I have been temping and fertility friend thinks I might have ovulated earlier in the week, but to me the temperature dip isn't really much of a dip and not any lower than the level it has fluctuated to several times in this cycle, and I had ewcm for 2 days after the day it thought I ovulated, plus I have had no ovulation pains (ever since having ds1 I have most definitely been able to feel ovulation and implantation). But no idea if the hysteroscopy and the removal of adhesions will have also removed that amazing ability to feel ovulation. I never used to feel it pre ds1. I am now wanting to get DH to DTD again tonight or tomorrow to cover us if I haven't ovulated, as his sperm from v late Sunday night is only likely to cover us until Friday or Saturday at a push. And given his difficulty in finishing, I am worried he won't manage it in time and we will miss this month, in which case we will be likely to be waiting until the beginning of July for our next attempt because of my stupid cycles.

(But DH is about to walk in from his long work commute, and then he needs to eat his tea, and he is likely to just want to crash out rather than DTD, so tonight may not be an option sigh)

thanks imps I don't know what's wrong with me

Loopy honey I feel your pain re: performance issues. Have had that for 4.5 yrs now with Mr I. His stressful work, the pressures of babies...it's enough to make any man want to curl up and just have cuddles. You just have to breathe on through it and wait for next month. You only ever get closer to that baby, never further away.

You're emosh and diffed perhapsTrix :)

A fairly convincing not pregnant from the cbd this morning so I've stopped with the progesterone. I've still no idea why the pessaries have worked this time when they never have before, but I assume AF should come in the next couple of days. We'll speak to the clinic later and see if we can try with frosty no 2 this month, then if that doesn't work we can think about ivf no 4 after the summer.

trix sorry you're feeling so rubbish, I'm sure you're not a crap mum

loopy I also understand the dilemma of wanting to have the sex but without making him realise its important and has to happen today!

Sorry re the BFN Beedles, seriously the world needs to start giving everyone a break and deliver some BFP's to this thread.

No DTD last night, but cm has dried up, but am feeling like something is happening inside today. Doing my head in to say the least. If fertility friend is right, then maybe I'm feeling an attempt at implantation. But I'm not convinced I have ovulated, so maybe the ovulation is gearing up and that's what I can feel today. But if that's the case, where the hell has the fertile cm gone?! May be TMI but I have never had any shortage of cm in the past, the exact opposite, which is probably why despite having weird cycles we have always fallen pregnant first time, as it's usually abundantly obvious when we should DTD. But this cycle is incredibly odd and I can't tell where we are at, other than its cd27.

Beedles what a stupid pee stick. I'm sorry my love. Was this morning OTD? Is it worth hanging on for another couple of days? V recently on the BESH thread yes I stalk it from time to time one of the ladies tested on OTD which was 16dp2dt and got a BFN, only to be followed up by a BFP on 18dp2dt, ie 20dpo! If you're not bleeding maybe it's worth carrying on with the prog for a little while? I'm not trying to build up false hope, but the fact that you're not bleeding is relevant.

Big hugs lovely.

oh no beedle this is truly crap. you are amazing to be thinking of next steps already; I imagine that makes things a bit easier. can you ask the clinic if there is anything else they can recommend to help implantation? eg some people have a scratch. or there is controversial immune therapy, but that's usually if people have early MCs. olives&trix know more. however do listen to imps as it does seem there is something different about this cycle...

no chance it was implantation here far my periods are very light since having kip, yet another thing to worry about.

loopy sounds like your cycle is a bit wonky. try not to stress, there's always next month. do you really think sperm last 5 days? . I feel like we must just need to get the timing exactly right. maybe I have a 'hostile environment' like Monica in friends...

trix are you exhausted? do you get any time to yourself? toddlers can be knackering and I am quite an impatient person too. sometimes i think argh just stop whining kip!! if you're tired then sleep. if you're hungry f-ing eat!

but if you're not tired things are much better. you could speak to your gp if you're worried. is dp doing lots with n, or ate you doing most of it? how much are you working? I actually have much more patience now I'm now 7 days with her as that it tough

imps can I just say you're fab.

Keep, yes, sperm definitely hang around. My last BFP was from DTD 6 days before ovulation, DH then struggled with finishing in the days leading up to ovulation, so it was just that one time, as he didn't manage to DTD again until after ovulation. I've heard people say they've got pregnant 7 days after too, but never heard anyone manage it any longer apart than that.

From what I can gather, from a rmc thread on here, summarising the leading experts in this field, as long as there is sperm waiting around, chances are a sperm will fertilise the egg, but then it's a question of whether the egg develops properly or not, which we can't control, and then whether it implants properly or not, which doctors can help control. And if the lining of the uterus isn't working properly, it can either be over selective (and so may reject perfectly good eggs from implanting leading to chemical pregnancies/early miscarriages) or under selective and let any old crap implant, which will then not develop properly and lead to a mc. So whilst we all focus on having sex loads and as close to ovulation, all that seems to matter is having some sperm lying in wait, and we can't control the development, but we can take progesterone to help prepare the lining to allow implantation, or to reject the duff eggs. I'm going with this theory so am not pressuring DH to DTD all the time, just focusing on every 4-5 days if he can! Then take progesterone and clexane in due course!