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When's the best time to get pregnant? Use our interactive ovulation calculator to work out when you're most fertile and most likely to conceive.

Come on Eros! Shoot your --man fat-- arrow through the heart of this February bus and give us our babbies!

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purdeybirdie · 13/02/2015 19:37

Do you love being elbow deep in your cervix? Can you tell your cream from your egg? No, we're not talking Cadbury, we're talking vadge juice. Come and join the fingering fillies on our flight of fecundity (see what I did there?).

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Nomio230 · 17/02/2015 21:41

Definitely, knit. I have the same symptom, so must be real. Wink

WinterBabyof89 · 17/02/2015 21:42

excited congrats!!

sparkly that was an impressive reply right there!!! Hope all went well for you today & thank you xx

knit lemon & sugar pancakes reign supreme.. Epic combo!

mummyofonesofar · 17/02/2015 21:44

FIL is feeling as well as could be. Moving from ICU tonight to general unwell person ward which is good. Pain is unreal. Extra sadness as DP promised to put out tonight after brushing off my offer last night. Now I couldn't dream of it!

WinterBabyof89 · 17/02/2015 21:45

sparkly **
Bloody typo...Have a poorly preschooler led in one arm & typing with one hand in a dodgy position..

mrsb0710 · 17/02/2015 21:46

sparkly hope it was a positive experience. Catch up tomorrow - don't chat too much you lot!
Need to seductively get DH to bed to DTD. Haha. I'm sure he knows I just need some spermz Grin

spinningirl10 · 17/02/2015 21:47

Sparkly, your backGrin if you're tired leave your update for tomorrow. We can wait, so long as you're ok.
I know my symptoms sound good but the temp drop isn't so good!

Wow lots of pancakes eaten here tonight! I didn't have any, by the time I'd finished making the normal lot I couldn't be arsed to make the oat ones that I wanted, maybe SundaySmile

MissMrsMummy · 17/02/2015 21:54

thepug I have v painful nipples too! We are sooooo preg!

Glad you're alive sparkly you had us all worried!

Glad FILcis doing ok mummy

Laughing out loud at 'fanny bunch' (too true) and even more at juney's admission Grin

Sparkly123 · 17/02/2015 22:08

Right. Should I bullet point it? This is massive sorry.

  • doctor lovely, really put me at ease

  • AF arrived this am. Lovely!

  • had a dildo cam- both ovaries look good and lining ok . internal exam ok too

  • re the early mc last cycle- they can't " confirm it actually happened" because the hosp never had a positive test on record.. Em, well she got shot down there by both myself and dh.. Positive hpts.. Felt pregnant.. The mc followed and had lots of pain and tissue? The tests got fainter? Fair to say it's an early mc pal. But her line was "hpts are not always reliable" .. Husbands response " well six different brands all with a positive would be very unlucky".. Shut her up. So on their record they can't "confirm" I was ever pregnant? Whatevs...

spotting 7 days before AF (Purdey* swear to god above I brought this up over four times.. I kept coming back to it, I tried so hard.. Really!) NO EXPLANATION. I asked for progesterone, I asked why I result of 28/30 is considered ok. I asked why they wouldn't monitor it after day 21 and see if it dramatically dropped and caused spotting. I asked about LP defects. Response "well there's actually no evidence surrounding LP defects and this level of progesterone" "we don't test for defects in the clinic" I came back to it. Over and over. My concern was obvious. But she says no clinic will check after day 21.. I asked why the spotting then.. "Some ladies spot before AF". At this point the fertility nurse who sat in the app said to her "what about we give her..." (something beginning with C .. It wasn't clomid.. I couldn't make it out..) I wondered if maybe it was a type of prog cream? And consultants response was?... "But I have no evidence to suggest progesterone deficiency.. Her levels are 30 which confirms OV".. Nurse shot down.

*she asked how many times we had done the AI (6months was my answer) she then went onto advise that IVF would be her choice next instead of IUI as she says IUI is only 12% success rate and the clinic don't like it?! I said I thought it would be comparable to ICI she said no?! She then went on to explain.. I would only have a 6 MONTH WAIT for IVF. I hope that doesn't upset some of you that have to wait forever, I just wanted to share my utter shock at such a quick NHS service. The clinic I was at today only do investigations, I need to travel an hour to our fertility centre that offer treatment.. But I was absolutely stunned at this. I could not believe she was do flippantly suggesting IVF so quickly, with no evidence of serious issue TTC, especially given I had conceived within six months (although not in her books...)

*the reason IUI and IVF were brought up I think was because they are taking into account my health issues and don't think it's beneficial for me to try for say a year with at home AI and deal with that if no luck then have to start process of treatment then. Which I absolutely appreciate. I just never expected IVF to be suggested.

consultant now contacting the connecting fertility centre and asking opinion on iui/IVF etc and then contacting me. She assumes within two weeks. She then thinks I shall have an app at that hospital for an overview and discussion. We also discussed the x ray of Fallopian tubes as she thinks that should be done too. For now, I was given more syringes and tubs for this cycle.. (Purdey* they said syringes are more than adequate for AI and they don't even give out cathetars in that clinic so no Caths needed, they also told me just to put syringe in entrance and push plunger sharply?!?.. I always thought slow and steady? But they said it must be plunged quickly to mimic ejaculation? ) so we try again this cycle and by time we know the outcome they will have called to update me on what the further clinic want to do.

*they said if I do get a positive test to call them straight away to go in for a scan and just to make sure no issues

*when I brought up charting and OPKs.. I got the standard NHS response... Eye roll and "we don't recommend these in clinic, they are not very reliable" We shot them down again and explained how they were absolutely on the money and reliable for us.."

So, I walked out feeling sore and slightly deflated about the spotting.. Which I didn't want to! First words to dh were "I knew this would happen, I didn't push it enough" but husband almost made me Teary telling me how great I did said I had an answer for everything they said and seemed knowledgable and articulate. He may well have been saying that to make me feel better but I'll take it! Ha.
But ladies.. I have a plan.. If I'm going to this other clinic- and they see gonna do iui (let's forget the IVF part just now) surely they will listen to my Spotting/progesterone issues as what would be the point in trying treatment with insufficient prog??

Huge apologies for massive post. I've prob forgotten half of it! We were in an hour!!

juneybean · 17/02/2015 22:13

sparkly I've heard of women getting progesterone as part of their fertility treatment

Sparkly123 · 17/02/2015 22:15

Juneyyep but I think they meant only if it's low.mine is borderline..

Can I say sorry again for that huge post ladies!!! Blush

Rainy34 · 17/02/2015 22:19

sparkly sounds like you proved your case very well, just can't believe they are not taking the spotting seriously or the lpd, hopefully the other fertility clinic will be more clued up and take the spotting more seriously ,
When I went to my gp about spotting she told me that it would not prevent me getting pregnant , seriously think we know more than what they do,
Get a goodnight sleep my love and least you are on the right road, don't give up or back down x x

Sparkly123 · 17/02/2015 22:22

Thanks Rainy yep, agreed. I still feel they were good in general. But the spotting was only issue.. If if doesn't get sorted with next part of process I will just go back to them again and say I need an answer.

Boosk · 17/02/2015 22:27

Really interesting post sparkly thanks for sharing. Sounds like you did really well and I'm glad you have a plan.

Hope everyone else is doing OK.

dojo123 · 17/02/2015 22:39

I've been away for a few days so loads to catch up on but firstly sparkly so sorry to hear about AF arriving this morning. Sounds like you had a full on day but approached it well. Shame the consultant wouldn't listen to you about the spotting. Fx with the other clinic and you are able to follow the treatment you want. Flowers

ThePug · 17/02/2015 22:56

Sparkly I am often a skim-reader when I have lots to catch up on but read every word of your post as it was interesting to find out what happens at such appointments. So don't apologise for it being long!

Update from me - just had some mid-brown colour cm when I wiped. Confused what does this meeeeaaan! Have had creamy for the last few days (CD 23 today) but not in any massive or particularly noticeable quantity. Will see what tomorrow brings!

Sparkly123 · 17/02/2015 23:01

Thepug I just feel I'm hogging the thread!! Blush do you ever get brown cm at this point in cycle or is it new? When do you OV?

juneybean · 17/02/2015 23:04

Don't be silly sparkly you're so attentive to everyone on this thread and we care about what you're going through.

Sparkly123 · 17/02/2015 23:06

Aw thanks juney love. I'm totally sending positive thoughts to you. Baby Juney could be in the making right now!!! Can I ask you- did you say you had IUI?

juneybean · 17/02/2015 23:08

I had two cycles last year using gonal f as a follicle stimulant.. Big fat expensive failures gah.

BowiesJumper · 17/02/2015 23:10

Sounds a positive trip sparkly and it sounds like you did really well. Shame she couldn't give you an explanation for the spotting. I wonder what it was the nurse suggested.

Why do the nhs not hold ANY stock in opk's and temping?

ThePug · 17/02/2015 23:11

This is my first month off the pill, which I've been on for 7 years with no breaks, so not sure what is 'normal' yet. Can't remember much about pre-pill cycles either, so just going to have to wait it out for another week.

Hope you get a good night's sleep tonight sparkly, imagine last night was full of trepidation

Beansprout30 · 17/02/2015 23:32

sparkly thanks for taking the time to update us all, sounds like you did well! I worry if I ever have to go for such appointmentd I wont have the confidence to speak up and get my point across

BabyBumpHopeful · 18/02/2015 02:27

Of the 103 people on the bus, stats are as follows:

BFP: 13
AF: 27
Late: 3
No update: 18
Pending: 42

So not that bad at all!! :) Congrats to the BFP's and commiserations for the AF :(

Come on Eros! Shoot your --man fat-- arrow through the heart of this February bus and give us our babbies!
Come on Eros! Shoot your --man fat-- arrow through the heart of this February bus and give us our babbies!
Come on Eros! Shoot your --man fat-- arrow through the heart of this February bus and give us our babbies!
mummyofonesofar · 18/02/2015 06:23

Thanks for the update sparkly I can't believe they weren't interested in the spotting. Your DH sounds great though. And great that you've got a plan. Well done lovely x

mummyofonesofar · 18/02/2015 06:30

Slowly going up and up.... Love this charting malarkey!

Come on Eros! Shoot your --man fat-- arrow through the heart of this February bus and give us our babbies!