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TTC for 10 months, and all the rest. 10 plussers welcome.

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MuddyWellyNelly · 11/11/2014 16:23

New thread full of the most amazing women.

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berrygoround · 15/11/2014 10:13

sam I think where I am (South Wales) is particularly slow but I was referred in July and I'm still waiting for an appointment. I hope yours is quicker!

Fluffy that sounds horrible! Hope you are managing ok with it.

critter this is private so I think I've probably done what I can now. The doctor explained it quite well with some different diagrams and when they consider removing them so I do feel happier than I did before that a pregnancy might work out. How are you doing? Thinking of you and hope you are having lots of Doug cuddles.

Buzzybee123 · 15/11/2014 10:21

sam yes I would say 4-6 weeks, maybe call the GP surgery and check the referral has gone, I had one for non TTC stuff and that got lost in the post Hmm

fluffy the hormonal changes are a biatch, how much longer do you have to sniff for??

critter and foxy thinking of you both and you too nellington

loopylou1984 · 15/11/2014 12:40

Berry - that is such a long time! I don't think I can wait that long so fingers crossed it's quicker here Hmm

Buzzy, I know it was sent as it had an appointment with a gp last week and I asked, will try calling the hospital next week if still nothing. X

FluffyNut · 15/11/2014 13:01

hi, I'm on a long protocol and will be sniffing for 3 weeks, then start injecting 225 gonerol (i have completely spelt that wrong but hopefully it makes sense) it's a higher dose as every dildo cam has shown 4 blobs in my ovaries so she wants to give them a boost.

Buzzybee123 · 15/11/2014 14:09

sam it can't hurt to check that they have received it

fluffy I have used gonal f for super ovulation its quite good

loopylou1984 · 15/11/2014 14:23

Yeah, I think I will. Just do t want to annoy them... They might make me wait longer! X

eurochick · 15/11/2014 14:48

Sam, they did actually manage to lose my referral so there is no harm chasing it up.

loopylou1984 · 15/11/2014 15:23

Oh really? Did you have to start again? I hope that doesn't happen! X

eurochick · 15/11/2014 17:39

The admin person at my gp's surgery was actually really good and pushed to get me an early appointment with the new referral do I didn't lose time.

Cosmonaut1 · 15/11/2014 17:43

Yes no harm in chasing, mine took ages, 3 months maybe?

Critter lovely how are you doing? I hope you are holed up with Mr c and Doug getting lots of tlc. I'm sorry about the more bleeding. I'm still hoping this is a horrible scare for you. How frightening and what a horrible experience on top of everything else. It must be so hard to move on when you're stuck in limbo land. I'm glad you cancelled the work trip too, you have to put yourself first. Keep us updated with how you are.

Fluffy well done for nearly a week of sniff age. Everyone seems to react differently to the hormones, I definately had some eyeore / tent moments on them but overall wasn't too bad compared with some other people's reactions. One thing I would say up front before you start stimming, try not to get too worried about how many follies they see on the scans. Easier said than done but it really can change so much between scans and EC.

Berry these docs really do disagree about septums. This latest doc I saw thought mine was a red herring. Sounds like yours is small anyway so hopefully nothing to cause any problems. Yes typical man to say they'll do something if more mc's. Though even the doc who resected mine said he wouldn't do it unless someone had a history of difficulties.

Foxy I hope the cramps are easing and you're enjoying some nice wine instead.

I got my immune blood tests done this week so will just wait for follow up. Think timing is unlikely to work out for pre-christmas round so prob jan. I'm 9 dpo and getting that typical headfuckery of sore boobs, tingly cramps, spotting etc. It gets me every time. I need to keep muttering to myself it's just progesterone.

Nice weekends all.

Cosmonaut1 · 15/11/2014 17:45

Or should that be low progesterone Confused

CritterPants · 15/11/2014 18:15

Hi everyone

sam I am pleased that the thermometer has arrived. Definitely a good idea to check on your referral. I don't think they would put it off to annoy you, but experience on this board shows they are capable of forgetting about you if you don't hassle. Be assertive! Who cares what they think anyway?

berry in that case, I guess you know it isn't a cost issue as to why he doesn't want to remove it. Cos has good advice on the septum front, having been there.

fluffy the first IVF is a roller coaster but hang in there. The drugs are not nice, you just have to keep putting one foot in front of the other though.

cos I am sorry about continued spotting and anxiety. I think a 'throw everything at it' round a la Joy could be just the ticket if this one doesn't work.

AFM all ok except the dog has disgraced himself by doing a small wee on the carpet. He is looking very guilty right now.

No more bleeding today and barely any (just brown CM) yesterday. The progesterone in oil shots, while unpleasant (the needle is bloody massive and MrC has to do them in my lower back/upper bum) seem to have stopped the bleeding and I am wondering now whether I should have been on the shots instead of just the fanny candles from the start. I know they say there's no difference, but I can't believe that is true, especially for a frozen cycle where you haven't ovulated so aren't producing any natural progesterone. I am still having cramping, and my boobs seem to have deflated, and when I was bleeding there were clots in it, so unfortunately I don't think it's going to be good news for me. Have to just wait it out until Monday. I suppose at least things should be clearer by then than they would be if I had got another test today.

joy - good good good luck for Monday's scan.

nelly - how are you doing with the horrible wait? Nearly through it!

Buzzybee123 · 15/11/2014 18:34

Critter glad the bleeding has stopped, its hard to know about the progesterone, if you can get the jabs then take them, its bloody misery stabbing though, Barry was working away so had to do it myself, my arse did become sore and swollen but its only for a short time :) I did Grin at Doug disgracing himself

cos sorry for the headfuckery :(

MuddyWellyNelly · 15/11/2014 20:12

Critter I'm pleased the bleeding has stopped but hate that you are in this place at all. If this pregnancy doesn't make it (against all our hopes for it) then I wonder if some sort of immune support or something is worth talking about? Maybe your previous pregnancy has knocked things out of kilter a bit. Which isn't very scientific, but I think your mum is right. I'd be inclined to challenge your RE a little for his thoughts on what might be going on. Of course what would be a billion times better is for this one to keep gaining ground but it's so hard to keep believing.

Cos I'm so sorry you have another month to stress you out and yet more waiting for cycles. Once you've decided to go again it's always a stress when you can't start right away. Hand holds.

Fluffy sorry about the drug reaction. I only DR'd for this round, never my own egg cycles, and got off very lightly indeed. Hopefully you will settle down and feel back to normal soon.

Berry wow that is a long wait, I'd be creating merry hell by now. Have you heard back at all?

Sam sorry about the frustrating wait but sounds within average timescales to me I'm afraid. But agree with others, creating a polite fuss wouldn't go amiss. :)

Thanks for all asking about me. I managed to take myself off to my sisters and be totally distracted. Home now and back to work on Monday. Did my last HCG shot on Thursday so I reckon I might test on Tuesday. That would be 14DPEC and 5 days after the 1500iu shot. That way if it's arctic I have time to ready myself for bad news on Friday. If it's light I can keep testing and see which way it goes. No symptoms here one way or another but that's to be expected I'm sure. I'm not really feeling hopeful just now as I can't even begin to imagine it working. So I'm just biding my time until I can crack open the wine.

Luffs to everyone xx

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sarlat · 15/11/2014 21:58

Cos - sorry about the delayed onset of your round. It's bloody infuriating is all this waiting. We are waiting right here with you. And there is no way we are giving up on you or the future cosette.

Critter - I am dreadfully sorry about the recent bleeding and possible loss once more. How many times must you be made to suffer?! I agree with the suggestions above about pushing for answers as it is reasonable to expect more positive outcomes with this many good embryos. In some ways your story is much like mine....plenty of good embryos for the freezer - but limited success (although clearly James' cycle was a success). It does suggest an extra issue as you (again like me) had already proved you can get pregnant. First things first - wishing, hoping and praying like mad that this little bean is hanging on. But if this doesn't go as we wish then I agree that you should consider injectable progesterone next time. They gave this out as part of a trial at my clinic and were excited by the increased stats in comparison to fanny candles (although I'm sure for many the candles are just fine). Next consider something structural post cs. Unfortunately ops etc. can cause adhesions and if they get somewhere tricky near the tubes or uterus they can play havoc and cause conception and early miscarriage issues. Or, yes there might be something hormonal going on post pregnancy or even a deficiency which has arisen post pregnancy. Lovely lovely critter - I don't want to overwhelm or frighten you. I just want to give you some food for thought about what could be happening which might help to solve the puzzle. Don't lose hope - not in this pregnancy, or the future. See what Monday brings, we are with you every step. Tightest hugs.

Fox - I am heartbroken to read your story of this near miss. Another chemical......sigh. But the progesterone experiment has proved to be fruitful. This looks like a key issue for you. Your eggs must be reasonable if they can implant, even for a little while. And just think of all those cycles where you didn't take progesterone. Having said all that, I totally understand that the theory of the above and the reality of what is happening month in and month out to you are two different things. It is only right that you should want to move towards the light and look at DE again. We know very well how wonderful that can be ( a la baby B). My goodness Fox you must be tired of all this heartache and trickery and let downs. I have nothing but admiration for you and your wonderful spirit. The harder the journey, the better the destination. You will be wonderfully happy again, I assure you. Holding your hand, always. xxx

Den - how are you getting on? Hope things feel a little better. Each day is one day less towards that next cycle. You two are brave and simply wonderful. Don't ever forget that.

Nelly - aw sweetheart, this is the bit where the euphoria from successful ET calms down and the fear creeps in. Total rollercoaster if ever there was one. I agree that no symptoms is totally irrelevant. Just keep yourself distracted for the next few days. Remember this is now an even playing field.

Fluffy - sorry about the awful snorting. Wishing you lots of luck this cycle.

Sam - I agree with gentle nudging in the direction of the GP / Hospital.

All the other new ladies - it's wonderful to see all these new posters, hopefully you all feel a bit better for letting off some steam and gaining some new ideas and support from our lovely fred.

Great to see the gang - sweet, Buzz, Euro et al.

I have been sobbing reading the updates from the last 3 days. I am really distraught to read the crap that some of us are going through. Universe anger - oh yes. But mostly I am just sad. It's draining and cruel and I would do anything to alleviate the pain. xxxxxx

MuddyWellyNelly · 15/11/2014 22:12

Oh Sar honey, your words are always so lovely as well as being wise and clever. You are as amaze-balls as ever :). Hope the Sarlat-let is doing well. It's always lovely to see you here, and I forgot to mention Sweets too. All our grads are amazing and I'm so glad you all still hang out with us when you can.

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raydown · 16/11/2014 14:18

Another day, another pregnancy announcement. Second baby for someone whose first was born two years after we'd started ttc. It does feel like life is passing me by because we haven't moved on in 4.5 years. I have been on this thread from the start and I'm no closer to having a baby.

Sar lovely words as always. Thank you. How is mini sar?

Euro, how is centime? She looks so cute. Are you starting back at work soon?

Joy, is it scan tomorrow? Are you starting to believe yet?

Critter, how are you? I'm so sad and angry that you're having to go through this. I'm hoping with all my heart that it's going to be ok with this one. I think it's a good idea to speak to your dr and see of he has any idea what might be going wrong. What do the embryos look like at transfer? I tend to think low progesterone is a symptom rather than a cause of a failing pregnancy but I know not everyone believes that. It's strange that implantation is happening but then something isn't right. Massive hugs xx

Pout, I totally understand why you might not want to be on the thread if you're leaving all this ttc shit behind. I do cling on to the hope that things will b brighter when the decision is made to move on. Are you feeling better now after the kidney, bladder type infection?

Fox a months wait is probably a good idea. Work and ivf don't really mix d well, do they?

Nelly, good luck for this week.

Is anyone else fed up of those 5 favorite photos thing on fb? Yes, yes we know your baby scan, baby photo, cute family portrait etc is the best photo ever. Boring.

CritterPants · 16/11/2014 14:21

Wrote a reply last night and lost it…

buzzy you are a hero to do the intramuscular shots yourself! I have to do one on my own this week (assuming this hangs on) so will be inspired by you. We just worked out that you're meant to use the smaller needle, not the massive one that comes attached to the syringe. D'oh!

nelly this really is the scary part but as the wonderful and wise sar says, you are now on an even playing field. I think Tuesday would be ok to test - testing also won't make a difference to the outcome, just your experience, so you should do what makes you most comfortable and most able to cope with things.

sarlat thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful message and taking the time to go through everything. I do think progesterone may be part of the puzzle, as these are frozen rounds where I'm not ovulating and therefore not producing my own (as I did with my fresh round with James). The bleeding has completely stopped now, although I am still having cramps. My progesterone was really low (apparently it should be at least 15 and mine was 6.1). Also, my mum told me that in the 1970s she had HCG shots to encourage the ovaries to produce more progesterone after having had one or two miscarriages (early fertility medicine).

I guess it just all seems weird that all our embies apart from one would be crap. The doctor did do a scan of my uterus to check for scarring and couldn't see anything back in May (or maybe it was April). So I hope it isn't something structural, although it could be. One other thing is that I am Rh negative, and although James was too, maybe the last bean I miscarried was positive and has set off some antibodies.

My doctor isn't very talkative so I think I need to make a list of things to ask him and try to push him on it. I'm kind of annoyed he didn't put me on the progesterone jabs to start with, if it might have prevented the spotting, which has now stopped. And to be honest I am starting to consider giving up with all this fertility clinic stuff and just living with it. It's so horrible having the build up, the hope, the panic and the misery again and again. It feels like it's rubbing my nose in things. I was shaking when I saw the blood again in the loo on Thursday. I don't think I can keep coping with repeated losses.

CritterPants · 16/11/2014 14:28

xpost ray - I am sorry about the pregnancy announcement. It is hard not to feel bitter, I know, but it is such a horrible feeling - it's displaced sadness and pain.

I read that about low progesterone being a symptom not a cause. So maybe all our other three embies have just been crap ones. But it seems odd. The thaws have always gone perfectly. And I don't know how that fits with a frozen medicated cycle where you aren't producing any naturally. Do you start producing your own once the body realises it's pregnant? I have no idea.

raydown · 16/11/2014 14:31

Oh critter, sweetheart. You have been through the most tragic and heartbreaking of losses. And it is incredibly unfair that you have had to cope with more loss on top. Of course you feel like giving up now, but you are strong and determined. This is good news that the spotting has stopped. Maybe progesterone is the answer. One thing, it could just be bad luck. The numbers do suggest only 30% of transfers result in baby so I don't think there necessarily has to be something fundamentally wrong.

raydown · 16/11/2014 14:32

I only had pessaries on my fet, the dr explained that was simply extra support. The embryo would tell my body to produce it.

loopylou1984 · 16/11/2014 16:16

Will post properly later, but just a quick message to Ray - those '5 pictures that make me happy' things are doing my head in!! Glad someone else feels the same ??

Cosmonaut1 · 16/11/2014 19:06

Ray I'm so sorry for the heartbreaking announcement. It's just the worst mix of emotions in the world because it's tinged with sadness about even feeling those negative feelings about someone else's joy. You've been at this a very long time. Remember Joy's positivity about couples who get frosties. There are lots more chances yet and it will only make it sweeter when it does happen for you. But oh yes I feel the same. I'm surprised on a daily basis when I come into contact with other people for whom life progresses and is generally happy and enjoyable. It's just sooo crap and heartbreaking and difficult. You're doing the best that any of us can.

Critter I really hope this has done the trick and all will be ok. I'm so glad the bleeding has stopped. I agree that seeing bright red blood at that early stage is a traumatic experience. I'm so sorry lovely girl, you really don't deserve it. I feel certain it's not an embryo issue because of lovely James. My mum once said to me that everything needs to be right, and I think there is something in the embryo getting the right hold in the first place. I think you might be right about maybe just suiting extra progesterone to create the right environment, or maybe fresh cycles suit you better. Let's not forget that your cycles are not regular and this could be significant somehow - your body may react differently to 'standard' and need med tweaks. It's incredibly difficult and you don't need to make long term decisions now. Just get yourself through the next few weeks and take stock once you know what's happening. Can you book yourself and Mr C a nice pampering hotel break?

Nelly lovely how are you doing? I hope you're managing to relax just an inch. Just remember plenty if people on is thread have felt no symptoms / symptoms. The only thing that will tell you is the test. You're testing plan sounds good. Though I've no idea how long the hcg would take to leave your system. Do whatever is right for you. I have felt both a need to know early, and a need to wait and know conclusively on different rounds.

My family is the type of family to be relentless and in your face. And particularly so about Christmas. I find it hard that they don't get that it's a difficult time for me and can't manage to be low key about things. So far I've had to explicitly give a yes / no to going to a lovely christmas fairy tale show with gang of niece/nephews / sending out photos with Christmas letters to all and sundry, and attending family shindigs with all manner of small relatives. I know I'm being bitter, but really can't they make it a bit easier for me? Attending anything where I've got to fight to keep composure the whole time is not fun. I really felt like sending a very blunt email this weekend explaining in excruciating detail about my sorrow and heartbreak about christmas and my lost babies. I'll be honest that the thing that has stopped me is thinking what would Critter do. You are my benchmark in grace and dignity and you do inspire me. I know it would only spread my misery.

Waves to all else especially Fox.

foxinorangesocks · 16/11/2014 19:19

Critter I am willing with every part of me that this was just a scare and that gestone has helped. Thinking of you lots still.

Cos Sad I feel the same way about Christmas and there is a very similar approach in my family. I find it a very difficult time and that my children I always imagined aren't with us and that we are pitied. A work colleague last year who is quite a lot younger than me asked me if I like Christmas and when I said not really I got a 'oh but I love Christmas it's so magical blah blah'. If it happens again this year I will be explaining that Christmas can be a sad time for a lot of people. I wish I could just bugger off and go in holiday with H. But that would cause much upset. All I can think is that we will have our family Christmases and they will be so richly appreciated. And not splattered all over Facebook and round robin letters bitter now a ten plusser Christmas cocktail party, I might enjoy that Smile

Any cat news Nelly? Hang in there x

I'm needed on the phone bye for a bit..

Buzzybee123 · 16/11/2014 19:33

ray with you on the '5 things' on FB, who starts this shit Hmm Sorry about the announcement

nelly glad you have been distracted

critter I believe its green for sucking the stuff ip out the vial, then pink to inject into you, I had to do 2 a night, my arse was the size of Jupiter after a few weeks, I'm sorry you feel like giving it up, its hard when you keep miscarrying as its a loss of a baby and it really hurts to lose something you so desperately want, it must be very difficult after it all went so well at the beginning to then lose beautiful James and to find yourself here still trying and it working to start with and then it not, the bleeding totally fecks you over emotionally, you dare to believe that maybe this time it will work, then the bleeding starts. . . I sometimes watch BB and think of you and James and how you should be watching your little boy do the things she is doing, breaks my heart that you are not

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