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123littlepigs ·
12/10/2012 22:45
Question to anyone still awake.... Is there always an implantation dip on a pregnant chart or can one be pregnant without this visual indicator.
Maybe a question for Tina... 
goldengirl71 ·
12/10/2012 23:04
Diege!, banana fritters are the Antichrist. That is all. Oh, except to say I have never been partial to a Cadbury's Caramel (too same-y after the first two chunks) but I am feeling your pain regarding messing with the dynamics of well-established chocolate bars. What the feck are they playing at with peppermint Aeros? I'm sat here troughing through a bag of treacle toffee [unhappy cavities emoticon]
Goth, sorry you're suffering with AF. Here...have a treacle toffee [pats Goth's head]
123, do not get sucked into the myth of implantation dips. Some women absolutely do see a huge drop in temp during their luteal phase and they turn out to be pregnant. Other pregnant women do not see a dip 
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goldengirl71 ·
12/10/2012 23:05
Crossed posts with you, Irish. I can second what you said about triphasic charts not always indicating pregnancy! 
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Diege ·
13/10/2012 09:27
What do you mean about peppermint aeros golden??? 
. What have they done to them!!!
I can also concur that implantation dips, triphasic charts, pre-ov dips can also mean absolultely nothing. When I have been pregnant my temps have of course satyed high (albeit with dips below cover line weeks after bfp). Oddly the times I've mc, I've had implantation spotting (never with a successful pregnancy, though doubt that means anything). One odd (and slightly linked to the lit thing) is that if I appear to implant late (after 10dpo) this has sadly not resulted in a successful pregnancy.
YOu know, I am actually starting to feel broody again but no way dh would go there!
hopefulgum ·
13/10/2012 11:35
Tina - so happy to come home and hear your news. I really was expecting to see a BFP on the thread - could feel it in my waters...So pleased for you.
Golden, I am so sorry the witch found you but really excited about the clomid and hope it does the trick.
I can't write much, DH is unpacking the car and I must help and also get some dinner for the kids.
We had a superb holiday. Feel very happy and relaxed(and fatter - ate and drank all week lone - was heavenly), and revitalised.
Can't ask for better than that.The weather was perfect - we swam and snorkelled daily.
will catch up more tomorrow, must dash...Love to all.
goldengirl71 ·
13/10/2012 11:35
Diege, I have been meaning to tell you for quite some time now but yes...you do want another baby 
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Diege ·
13/10/2012 13:38
Hello Gum!!! Great to hear you had such a lovely time and had a chance to unwind. You've been missed!
Golden, do you mean the bag of balls aeros have replaced the proper bars? or that the bar segments have taken on a spherical appearance (a la Cadbury's Caramel). What are they playing at!!! Do they think we don't notice?
On the baby front for me I don't think dh is for turning. He is looking forward to the day that ds2 starts school (next sept) so that our huge nursery fee is reduced a little...Having said that, I did apply for a new job yesterday that pays an extra 10 grand a year on what I'm getting now, so will bide my time...
Love to all xxx
goldengirl71 ·
13/10/2012 16:45
Diege, re Aeros it is the latter. I do not know what they are playing at. Next thing you know they'll be leaving the walnut off the top of the Whip
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hopefulgum ·
14/10/2012 00:14
Morning all.
Deige - good luck with the job. 10 grand extra is a huge amount, and could certainly pave the way for an extra babydeige.
Dh and I have put our land onto the market again, fingers crossed that it sells so we can get out of the financial merde(spelling?) we are in.On the surface we look like we have a fabulous lifestyle - holidays,living close to the beach in lovely suburb,nice house we built 12 years ago,nice Euro car etc...but we pretty well own none of it,and have survived on equity. Soon the bank is going to cotton on to our champagne lifestyle on a beer budget and ask for it all back!
If we could sell our block of land we'd be able to better finance our lifestyle. And then the blow of having another baby wouldn't hit my DH so hard. I'm lucky to have Government subsidised childcare (nursery) so the fees aren't too bad. I pay $147 a week (four full days) (that's about 94 pounds).
Despite my decision to not ttc this month because in about 9 months time we are flying out to Lombok, it seems I have accidentally had sex during my fertile window. I am hoping that we'll have a little souvenir from our holiday. I had a positive opk yesterday, the usual ovulation pain and good timing, so it remains to be seen. If it screws up the holiday plans, I'll endeavor to change the booking - I think it is probably doable, and I'll worry about it if I do get a bfp and make it past 12 weeks...
Golden - do you feel any different taking the clomid? Did the consultant talk about any side effects? Did s/he say anything about clomid for older women? Did you have to have any tests done? I'm sorry, but I haven't had a chance to read the rest of the old thread.
123littlepigs - hello, I don't know if we'd met earlier? Anyway, about implantation dip - I did have one with my son's pregnancy, at 5 DPO, which many people would say is too early for implantation. I got a + at 9 DPO, so maybe it was an early implantation. I haven't had implantation dips on the other 3 pregnancies I have had since (unfortunately miscarried). Last miscarriage I actually had a tiny bit of spotting at 10 DPO, the day I got a bfp, and really wasn't expecting it(the bfp). Golden, I'm not sure about your theory about short luteal phases and early BFP's. I seem to get bfp's 9 and 10 dpo, but my luteal phase ranges from 11 to 15 days with an average of 13 days(that's according to fertility friend).I remember reading that the luteal phase will never vary, only the days up to ovulation, but I know after charting for 5 years that that is bollocks(at least for me).It can and does vary,and people have been known to lengthen their LP with vitB6 or progesterone.
Well, it is back to reality for me. I still have to unpack and do the laundry, but it is bucketing down (so glad we had the good weather all week at Rotto), so I don't know how I'll get everything dry.I really hate using the dryer,and only do if it is absolutely essential. DH back to work tomorrow, then me and the kids back on Tuesday.At least this school term is only 9 and a half weeks, then it is our long summer break.
By then we'll all be happily up the duffRight?
All I want for Christmas is a viable pregnancy.
goldengirl71 ·
14/10/2012 10:49
Wylie, hello and welcome to the thread 
I'm sorry about your miscarriage, have you been secretly trying to conceive since then? Have you been referred to a gynae consultant and had a scan, blood tests etc? It's good news that you're charting; it's an education. I'm 41 with no children but I fell pregnant within two months of trying in January but had a mmc in March. Since then I haven't had a whiff of pregnancy so I've had all the tests and DP's sperm checked and this week the consulatant gave me Clomid. I'm thrilled because it's becoming more and more clear to me that even when we do ovulate our eggs are mainly shit. I really believe that. And I do not want to wait years in the hope of a 'golden egg'.
Gum, try reading the last thread as I can't remember everything I said. However, I did ask the consultant about Clomid thinning the uterus lining and she shook her head before I had finished my query. She said in some cases Clomid can have this side effect but it has no negative impact on the ability to conceive or maintain a pregnancy. 24% of women on Clomid will miscarry - the same as those women who conceive naturally. 45% of women on Clomid will get pregnant. This figure is lower if there are other infertility factors, or if the woman does not (or rarely does) ovulate or if she is obese. When I asked her for the success rates in over 40s she looked me straight in the eye and said the figures are the same for younger women.
What I have discovered is they chuck this drug at anyone and everyone. I was talking to women in the waiting room who were younger than me, older than me, Asian (more than white on the day I went) - but none of the women were overweight. They regularly give Clomid to women who are ovulating regularly. I have had no side effects whatsoever and today I have taken my final pill this cycle. However, on Clomid threads I am reading lots of women suffer when their doses are increased to 100mg (which they automatically do, it would seem, after 3 months of 50mg not working) I really don't care if I suffer with Clomid. The 'evidence' surrounding Clomid increasing the chances of ovarian cancer is very sketchy and, again, I don't care. This may seem like a cavalier attitude towards my health but, to be frank, if this failed ttc continues for another year it is my mental health I am worried about.
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goldengirl71 ·
14/10/2012 10:59
DP showed me his month's supply of nicotine patches yesterday. I watched as he ripped up and chucked away his tobacco and papers. He showed me his very own vitamins he has bought. The underpants have not yet been jettisoned but...I'm working on it. He has assured me that he will do everything I have asked and more in order to try to improve his sperm morphology. He said he won't let me down. I said he was forgiven
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goldengirl71 ·
14/10/2012 11:10
Gum, here is the list of possible side effects of Clomid from the pamphlet the consultant gave me: hot flushes, mood swings, breast tenderness and swelling (will I get the elusive tender breasts at last??), bloated feeling in the lower abdomen, headaches, nausea, hair loss (this is very rare - besides, I'd rather be bald than childless), blurred vision (very rare - I am already blind as a bat).
Like I said, I have experienced none of the above, however I may be speaking way, way too soon. If the women on the Clomid thread are to be believed, I can look forward to horrific mood swings (what's new? I'm trying to conceive and failing miserably for fuck's sake) and a doubled-over-in-agony cramping as I ovulate. Then there is the alarmingly extended luteal phase (almost all the women are frantically and excitedly POAS when their usual luteal phase has passed and nearly all of them are devastated to learn it's a BFN and their period arrives 17DPO )
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123littlepigs ·
14/10/2012 19:43
Hi hopefullgum welcome and thanks for the info... I think I might be out for this month however.
Tested this morning and it came back a big fat N.... Period not due until this Wednesday however so I'll just have to wait and see....
All the best to the rest of you all testing in the next few day....
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