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MarthasHarbour · 07/02/2012 11:30

There's cake for scoffing, backs for patting, and screeching death metal for all your METALLING moments. All welcome!

Our last thread reached 1000 posts so i hope you have all found your way here! I have steaming hot Brew chocolate croissants (or as my colleague said 'chocolate pasties'), blueberry muffins, grapefruit segments and hot buttered toast for brekkie!

Settle into the mosh pit, we have special VIP area's for those on the 2WW, the new bumps metalling with segregated areas for the first/second/third trimesters and the club class cocktail bar for those who have just got AF and can get-pissed let loose for the first two weeks!

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MarthasHarbour · 16/03/2012 09:12

slightly Hmm at midget licking manda....

manda your scan pic is amazing, and so 'real', loving your family pics too, what a gorg family you have Smile

iq it really is close now, hang on in there and be strong, very soon you will have your LO in your arms Smile

pebs how are you today?

good call onthe brekkie jaffa

gotta go and get DS ready as Hannas Helpline has finished Grin he has got his buddies coming round to play in half an hour so the house will be carnage!

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pebspop · 16/03/2012 09:35

I am not feeling too bad today. Trying to think positively for the future. I still feel like I will get a baby one day.

After my last pg I waited six months before trying again luckily I got pg on second cycle. I will not be waiting that long again! It was dh idea to wait but this time we are going to try again after WTF cycle. My period for 12 weeks after second mc I went for acupuncture the day before it returned so might book in for more sessions to get things back to normal quickly.

I am going to ring epu later to see if they can get me booked in for erpc on Friday in case I need it. Don't really want to wait until the next week.

Would you have erpc or medically managed? I hate the ga but don't fancy the pain of medically managed and might need erpc anyway.

pebspop · 16/03/2012 09:37

Meant to say I didn't get my period for twelve weeks following last mc. It only came back after accu

farfallarocks · 16/03/2012 10:06

pebs are you sure its definitely over?
I am sorry if if seemed like I just fired off loads of questions yesterday, I read lmy post back and it seems bossy and not at all supportive and that was not my intention at all so I apologise. I hope you are doing ok and things resolve for you soon.

iq keeping all crossed for you that you go into labour soon

poppy 16 weeks already, wow!

manda I am sure what you are feeling is normal and a self-protection mode that your body is doing to protect you. You will love that baby when its in your arms and feel connected to itm I know it!

tis I went alone to the 6 week scan, it was much better for me that way as I wanted to process bad news on my own as well. DH not that happy about it but I insisted, it made it less stressful for me to be honest. He has put he foot down for the 8/9 week one though!

i cannot stop eating, I feel hungover and have to eat every 3 hours to stop myself feeling sick, I will be the size of the house soon

Tiago · 16/03/2012 10:17

I had medical management. If I had to do it again, I think I'd go the same route as an very wary of general anaesthetic. But, management was v v v painful so if you don't share my fear - erpc probably better.

pebspop · 16/03/2012 11:12

I think I have to face facts that it is all over as there was a heartbeat at 6 weeks and not one at 8 weeks. It is unlikely a heartbeat will start up again isn't it?

I suppose there is a tiny off chance that one of the heartbeats could not be seen but after two nurses scanned me it seems unlikely they would have missed it.

The epu have just got new scan machines so maybe the nurses aren't very good at them yet. Last time I went the consultant was trying to teach the registrar how to use the machine.

Maybe I should try a private scan. Dh thinks I should just wait until Thursday at the Epu.

I rang epu today and they told me to carry in taking aspirin. I also asked them to provisionally book me in for erpc on Friday as I don't want to wait until the week after.

I had to have medically managed after 20 weeks and ended up in surgery anyway for retained placenta.

TitsalinaBumSquash · 16/03/2012 11:42

peb When I had my mc my Mum said to me, if you go in expecting it to be all finished, then if it is it will still be sad but you'll be expecting it, if it's not then it makes it all the more happy and exciting. (That probably doesn't help in the slightest)

Well, the hospital have just called me, DP needs a blood test to see if he carries the cf gene to see if there are chances of the baby having it, and they will tie it in with a viability scan. I am now mettaling like mad.

Midgetm · 16/03/2012 11:42

Pebs If you can afford it I would try and get a private scan. If it is over, a scan can often show if things are moving or breaking up which can be a sign that things may happen naturally. God I hate talking like that - makes me want to throw up in the waste paper basket. I really hope it is just their lack of experience on the machine. Did they give an indication of the strength of the HB at 6 weeks?

I have tried every way of completing a MC and the last 3 I have always gone ERPC. I find emotionally this is the best for me. I find it inhumane to feel pregnant, when I am not and my body doesn't seem to want to let go,so for me this was always best (and going expectant management turned into a 3 month ordeal for me one time - infections the works) However, when I had my EP incident I saw that ERPC can increase our chances of having an EP so this made me question my decision. I also thought - I wish someone had told me this was a risk and perhaps I would have had less invasive treatment. To be honest - I am not sure that I would though, it was the right call for me. At the end of the I put my mental health first and I just have to get it over and done with so I can begin to heal. My hospital treat women who have MC so well that they make me cry through their kindness. They give you your own recovery room so you can wail when you wake up and the consultant has a lovely bedside manner.

Big hugs, waiting is so hard. It is hellish limbo land - stay away from google, it will drive you crazy x

JaffaSnaffle · 16/03/2012 12:34

pebs, I am so sorry. I had medical management with my late mc, which might be a bit of a different experience, in terms of what treatment they offer but I would say that if you chose this, ask what pain relief you would be given. I was put on a morphine drip, which helped a lot, but without it, it would have been very painful. The other thing I would consider is the mental aspect of it. If you have medical management you are very much 'there' through it, which for some people might help process what has happened, and for others is very hard.

My second mc happened naturally at home, but although I was 8 weeks, I wasn't measuring this, so probably not typical.

pebspop · 16/03/2012 12:40

I had medically managed for my late mc and didn't need any pain relief. Maybe I would be ok to have medically managed fir this one. I really don't like the ga and freak out so much when they give it to me.

pebspop · 16/03/2012 12:42

I rang baby bond to find out about a private scan they said they could get me in on Monday evening but they advised me to wait until Thursday as they sometimes send people away for a week if the results are inconclusive. I will see what happens over the weekend

leedy · 16/03/2012 12:54

Big hugs from here too, peb. In your position I'd probably go for the private scan as well just because the not-knowing sounds horrible.

I too got the "best of both worlds" (sarcastic face) experience with my m/c, in that I miscarried naturally but then needed the op anyway because I hadn't passed everything and ended up bleeding in a most spectacular fashion all over the hospital waiting room. Turns out that's a great way to get seen really quickly....

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farfallarocks · 16/03/2012 13:23

pebs I am so so sorry and thinking of you lots. I hope you manage to get through the weekend ok and have the support of your DH. Whatever happens, you will get you baby.

MissCoffeeNWine · 16/03/2012 15:12

I am sorry this is so hard Pebs I am fiercely hoping it all turns out right, somehow, in the end. Keep strong, you're doing amazingly. I wish there was an easy way for answers.

I've done 'expectant management' is that another name for doing nothing? Because that's what I did. Went home and waited, took a couple of weeks and when it came there were rivers upon rivers of gore. And pain - much longer and worse than labour, for me. Did call the hospital halfway through and was told there wasn't any point in coming in, all they would do was give me a bed, I should take some paracetamol. When I kind of gasped out how painful it was they said of course it's painful, it's a miscarriage Hmm. I was literally crawling round the house on hands and knees. Really horrible.

Did the induction of labour thing next time round. Wasn't so painful, was a lot quicker. Could have had drugs but didn't. Wish I had Grin

Anyway, sorry for the doom and gloom. Everything looks OK with this one at the moment. I had the pleasure of peeing in a cup followed by a close encounter with the plastic dildo of doom and a cervix scraping delight. Cervix is normal and closed. I'm being referred from dungaree consultant to the specialist consultant who runs a pre-term birth clinic one day a week. Apparently he scans all his patients himself and is an expert on pre-term babies/late mcs and their causes. And is very nice. So I'll have him from 16 weeks onward, which sounds good.

pebspop · 16/03/2012 15:52

I have spent the afternoon with my frenemy, dr google, I have found out a lot about my situation.

As both twins are in the same sac they are called monoanmiotic twins. The nurse told me this yesterday but I didn't hear what she said properly. These twins are extremely rare and only have 50% chance of survival. These pregnancies are very high risk. The chance of a pregnancy being monoamniotic is 1 in 30000.

I am feeling a bit better by this news as it could just be a bad luck thing rather than being related to my previous miscarriages. It definatley gives me hope for next time as this is not likely to happen again.

Doesn't really help me with getting through the next week but is hope for the future.

JaffaSnaffle · 16/03/2012 15:58

Pebs, in one sense what f*ing bad luck, 1 in 30000, but on the other hand, I completely agree that there is comfort to be drawn from this rather than worry. I have been thinking about you a lot today. I hope you find the best way for you through this hard week, and that your body and mind recovers quickly.

McC, so glad your scan went well today, and that some good people have their beedy eyes on you.

TitsalinaBumSquash · 16/03/2012 17:07

Urgh, I have stabbing pain in my chest. I had a pulmonary embolism with DS1 so I really need to watch out, it's not bad, but still a worry. :(

tasmaniandevilchaser · 16/03/2012 17:22

oh for fuck's sake! Just wrote a long heartfelt post and DD crashed onto the laptop and switched off the internet.

brief summary - pebs thinking of you, I had medical management for my MMC (10 wks along), it didn't hurt. Also had a natural mc years ago, which hurt like hell. I needed to process the MMC cos it was such an awful shock, so medical management was right for me then.

midget didn't know link between ERPC and EP! where did you hear this?

missc glad you're well

tits get yerself checked out!!

hi to everyone else, iq not long now!

MarthasHarbour · 16/03/2012 18:24

a bia bit Blush as i dont know what 'medical management' is? I MC'd naturally at 10 weeks last year (exactly this time last year - to the day Sad) and i too got the rivers of gore for about a week and a half, if it happens again and i am given the choice (i didnt know i was MCing until it happened so didnt get time for the choice IYSWIM) i would personally go for ERPC. I want to go to sleep and then wake up with it medically all over. My friend on the other hand disagrees, she felt 'closure' from her natural MC (ah right is MM where they give you an induction type drug - as that is what my friend had). Only you can decide.

I also can see how Mr Google has for-once given you some comfort, i think i would be frantically metalling throughout the pregnancy if i had that situation, and yes, it is one of those things, which will likely never happen again. I am still holding out hope for you, and think a private scan is the way forward.

MissC am so happy that your LO is staying put, you did give me a fright. We have had a fraught week havent we all? manda how are you today? Hope you are feeling brighter too.

Can i suggest a virtual night out? i think we need it, i know manda is a fussy-bugger fan of Michelin Star Restaurants so i reckon we should go for a slap up meal somewhere in tinterweb. Maybe we could find a trashy nightclub afterwards? Or maybe get the mosh pit all tarted up. I need a good piss up as am feeling v fed up. I snapped at my friend this morning and had a right go at DH when he got in, i need to give myself a shake!

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onedayatatime73 · 16/03/2012 19:00

pebs I do hope you are ok. I have read all your posts and have been thinking about you all day. That really is bad luck. I hope the googling has helped answer some questions (whatever did we do without it). Look after yourself and I hope the next few days pass quickly for you so you can get some clarity

onedayatatime73 · 16/03/2012 19:07

Can I do some metalling of my own? I am really sorry if some of this seems a bit silly compared to what others are going through.

I had an erpc on 28 feb, and am now ttc on my wtf cycle.

I had a positive opk on Wednesday and dtd that night. However, I was on top. Has that made it unlikely I will conceive? We dtd on Sunday and Monday also but am thinking that will have been too 'early' to count.

I am charting and my temp shot up this morning so am sure I have ovulated. Didn't see dp yesterday or today (will see him tomorrow but presume that is way too late for my egg). So sorry to sound so childish but I am desperately worried I have no chance as I was on top!

I have already worked out the first day I can poas will be the same date I would have had the 12 week scan for the baby I mc'd stupid to read in to things but can't decide if that is a good or dreadful omen.

Any reassurance gratefully received x

Tiago · 16/03/2012 19:32

That's right martha in medical management they give you drugs to get the MC started. It's only used where scans show there is a problem but your body hasn't figured it out.

oneday being on top is fine. All that is needed is ejaculation with deep penetration (which being on top automatically gives). All the lying on your back with your legs in the air which we tend to do Blush is not actually required.

Well I appear to have something flu-like and would be grateful to hear from anyone who felt like hell during a pg (sore throat, coughing, just slept for 4 hours in the middle of the day) and went on to have a healthy baby. I am a bit worried the illness is going to hit the baby.

WhyAlwaysBoris · 16/03/2012 19:46

Hi everyone, so sorry i haven't posted in a couple of weeks. I have been reading everyday but to be honest i'm so down i don't really have anything to say.

However, just wanted to say Pebs I'm so, so sorry. Thinking of you a lot today and will be all weekend.

PieMistress · 16/03/2012 19:48

Sorry for not name checking everybody, this thread moves sooooo fast and i'm far toooooo slow!

Just hopping on to say am thinking of you pebs and hoping and praying that everything will be okay. xx

martha so sorry it's your mc anniversary today :( big hugs. I am deffo up for a night out !!

IQ i'm eagerly lurking for a birth announcement! Can't wait!

Again, sorry to just hop in and out like this but a big hello to everybody, those of you I know and those I don't xxx

MandaHugNKiss · 16/03/2012 20:24

Ah, pebs my lovely. ID twins do have a lot to overcome to 'make it' and as you say are very rare in the first place... not something you can genetically expect, they're just something that nature throws up occasionally.

I think, that there were two, and you had some implantation bleeding and so no injections may also have had an adverse effect.

I feel so sad that something so rare has taken this chance from you... but still feel very positve for your future. Am I right in remembering that you guys waited 6 months to try because youwere waiting for testing results and such to come back? As you already have your answers there will be no need to wait, well, no longer than what your body will allow, iyswim.

Wrt how you manage it, I feel expectant management takes a certain kind of someone to do (and, perhaps, a level of uncertainty regarding the viability). To wait and wait and...wait for something you know is going to happen and will be mightily unpleasant is mentally extremely tough. I couldn't do it, especially when there are logisitics to think of too (like work, for instance).

I initally begged for an ERPC as I felt seeing the baby would break me but was told that the pregnancy too far advanced and so the risks meant it would be best for my body and the future (they didn't mention trying again but I assume, with hindsight, this is what they meant) to manage medically by inducing labour. As it turned out I'm incredibly thankful I was denied my orginal request as seeing, and being with him, as difficult as it was, felt very... right. Of course in the event I had to have an emergency erpc around midnight but, yeah.

As your gestation is so much less than last time, I would imagine I would choose ERPC in your shoes. Particularly as you're looking to move forward quite quickly... But only you can really know what is right for you. Sending you strength at this time

Likewise, boris strength and for you.

marff I resemble that comment! And, my final reserves of strength and, indeed, for you. A mix and match evening of fine dining and trashy clubbing sounds fantastic! At least with my bump I can be sure I won't have any drunken slobbery men interested in me - yay! Always hated that part of clubbing (I NEVER went with the intention of 'pulling').

oneday DS2 is a 'on top' baby - so I can tell you it does work Grin. And, think about it, if the sperm has managed to swim against gravity rather than being helped along with the tilting/pillows under bums tiago mentions, then it's a good stong sperm and genetically speaking probably 'superior' to the ones that needed a helping hand. Oh, DS2 was also a 'day before O' conception so I reckon you're ok

tiago you need to control your temp (if you have one) as a raging fever might pose a problem in early pregnancy. Paracetamol is fine to take. And if it's not bringing down your temp take tepid baths, but DO bring it down.

And me? Eh, I dunno. I'm really tired today so that's my prevailing thought/feeling: Geez, I'm tired. Exciting stuff, eh?! Grin