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TTC/Pregnancy on Prednisolone or similar part 5

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suemays · 25/01/2012 16:48

A positive thread for all those diagnosed with High or Very High NK Cells and looking to start TTC or already pregnant on Prednisolone and/or Intralipid treatment.

Newcomers very much welcome!

Part 3 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1348773-TTC-pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-3

Part 2 here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1323594-TTC-pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-2

Part 1 here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1236324-TTC-pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar

OP posts:
Arianrhod · 28/02/2012 11:56

And updating again to put me back into Waiting to Ovulate:

Tues 28th Feb

BFP
3rd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2, DC#1 38+3 Induction booked 09/03/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2, DC#2 33+1 Due 16/04/12 AN appt 6/03/12
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks 30+1
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2, DC#2 ? 27.4 C-section booked: 14/5/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2, DC#2- 26+6 Next scan March

2nd Trimester
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP Clomid cycle#3, DC#1
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxychloroquine, Pred, Intralipids, 400 Cyclogest, Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. DC#1 19+0 Anomaly scan 16th March
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR, DC#2/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). 18+6 Next Scan 6/03/12
batteryhen - High NKC, factor v leiden. DC#1 BFP cycle 3. 15+5 next scan at 16 weeks.
coleyoz - V High NKC. DC#2, BFP cycle2, 15+2, Nuchal scan TBC

1st Trimester
Mercator - V High NKC, TTC#2. 10+4, next scan at 12 weeks 8/3/12
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC - TTC#2. Next scan TBC - 9+5
dunnit - V High NKC - TTC#1, on Pred, IVIG, prog and Clexane. 9+5
PQ77 - V High NKC TTC #2 (BFP cycle one but mc) 5+1

TTC
Waiting to test
BellyD - V High NKC - TTC#?
Suemays - V High NKC, TTC #2. Superov cycle 2. (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine) Testing on 1st March
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, pred cycle 5, Super Ov Cycle 1 testing approx 7/3rd
eurochick - TTC#1 High NKC, superovulation cycle 3, pred cycle 3,
Pebbles - TTC#1 High NKC, PCOS, super ov cycle 1 (post IVF - 1 chemical, 1 mc)

Waiting to ovulate
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1 1st cycle Super Ov
Willitbe - RMC, NKC not tested, TTC #4 cycle 1 (after miscarriage number 12) Fertility consultant prescribed pred.
buster76 -V High NKC, Factor V Leiden.
ChoccyPud - V High NKC - TTC#1 from March (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)
Lemonsherbet - TTC#1 v high/high NK, Mthfr, thyroid issues, pred 1st trim & Intralipids 2nd on bfp
Arianrhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)

WTTC
ScooterChaser - V High NKC - TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)
Breezyweezy - V High NKC - TTC#1
AandRmum - High NKC
Cornflakes30 - V High NKC, underactive thyroid
picolina - V High NKC MC on treatment
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - due to start IVF
Brownstag - V High NKC, 3 yo DS is a Pred Baby! TTC #2

digitalgirl · 28/02/2012 13:49

oh ari I am sorry for the BFN Sad - feels like it can take for-bloody-ever when you're 'in-between' pregnancies. It once took me 4 cycles, which I again doesn't sound like that long in the grand scheme of things, but with 40 day cycles it felt like eternity (then I bloody lost it at 7 weeks).

iggi squeee, if you're out there. Third trimester!!!!

frozen whispered congrats on getting to 10 weeks. If you were under Mr S he would be very very confident at you getting past the all-important 9 week milestone.

PQ it is so so hard getting through these first few weeks. I was in denial for quite a lot of it...which was greatly helped by the fact that the steroids were masking any tiredness or sickness. But the moment I felt anything crampy or a trickle of CM - I couldn't help but start wondering if that was it Game Over. You want time to go quickly, but you also panic as the scan date gets closer. Keeping busy, planning days out, not looking too far ahead with the calendar, retail therapy and lavishing DS with lots of attention sort of worked for me. I really do feel for you.

DS is much better thanks to the AB's. Rash is still there, although fading, but he hasn't had a temperature since Sunday night so think we're out of the woods.

In other news - I'm ginormous. Really. My bump is currently resting on my legs. I've been reading the Second Labour thread (in Discussion of the Day) and most of it is helping ease my fears about having another 2 hour pushing stage. Apparently it should be a lot quicker. Although if I've had 4 early mc's does this count as my 2nd labour? Not the sort of question I feel comfortable posting on that thread.

Stogan · 28/02/2012 14:09

Thanks for updating mercator x
We are having a surprise and have genuinely got everyone around us baffled, everyone is 50:50 with no one certain enough to state yes it's going to be a .... ! I wanted to find out but DH didnt and I'm so pleased we didn't now as its soooooo exciting !!! X

PQ77 · 28/02/2012 14:39

hey ari rotten news. Sorry to hear about the BFR.

frozen I see that you've got 400mg progesterone lined up already but just to add I am also on 400mg on the high regime. I suppose that for ethical reasons your dh can't prescribe you anything and you have to go through your gp (if I read that right that your dh is a gp). I would love it if my dh was a "useful" profession (medicine or buidling/kitchen designing etc!) unlike the same one I am in. Though I guess at least we "understand" each other when we talk about work.

digi you must be blooming - do you loathe that expression? I am sure you will have a speedy labour, I think it goes hand in hand with tending to be a bit early too.

Know what you mean about not scaring the horses on other threads. I really don't think I can burst the bubble of the Oct/Nov antenatal threads which are currently waxing lyrical about how damn excited they are to be 4 weeks pregnant by going "woo hoo, got a bfp too and it's the 8th time and no I don't have 7 kids, don't you know there are so many things that can go wrong"! It just seems a bit mean. So sorry ladies, you are stuck with me here Grin. For the scan next week I will be 6+1 (if you work it on my long 34 day cycle which the Dr was keen to do) so I might see a hb. But then I have seen a hb before and things didn't work out so I know that it is not the end of it by a long shot.

Havingkittens · 28/02/2012 15:15

Hello and welcome to zoe and frozen.

Bloody hell, you lot "talk" so much, I am really struggling to keep up. I've just noticed that it's barely over a month since this thread started and it's nearly full!

Time does seem to go very fast when watching other people's pregnancies. I can hardly believe that igggi is entering the third trimester and digi is due so soon. And stogan, well, any time now I guess.

ari, sorry to hear you've been disappointed again this month. It's such a pisser isn't it?

I have to confess to being more of a lurker on this thread currently and rather suspect, for the time being, I will be more active on the Super Ovulation thread. It's lovely, and very heartening to see so much success from Mr S's treatment plan, but at the moment I can't even get pregnant so it feels like a world away for me. Like it may never even happen, so could very well not be relevant to me despite my monthly bursts of pred induced heartburn and headaches. I've been TTC this time for almost a year now with no BFP. I thought I was ovulating (more or less) every month anyway and now have taken Letrozole this cycle and still I only have one egg this month so don't see how that gives me any extra chance of getting pregnant. Sorry, feeling very despondent at the moment. Probably not helped by the combination of artificial hormone induced grumpiness and my over emotional state of mind at the moment.

I will continue to lurk anyway and check how everyone's getting on, but may be sparse with my posts for a bit.

Arianrhod · 28/02/2012 15:25

kittens I know exactly what you mean. It occurred to me this morning that the last time I was actually what I call successfully pregnant was last May ( miscarried in July), which was before I started seeing Mr Shehata. The miscarriage in Dec I don't really count as a pregnancy, since there was never anything there. It's now March (near as damnit), I started this whole journey May 2010, so that's almost two years now. I just also read that for couples who are 45 or over there's at least an 87% chance of them being infertile, so that didn't cheer me up any either. I echo what you say kittens, I'm absolutely thrilled for those who are successful on Mr S's plan but it does feel very remote for me, since I haven't actually managed what I'd consider a proper pregnancy since being on his plan. I suspect I may drop back into lurk mode for a while, it just feels like this is never going to happen. Serves me right for trying to conceive a baby so old, I guess.

freelancegirl · 28/02/2012 15:33

I know what you mean PQ and others about sharing the fear with the non-miscarriage people. I lurk on the July thread too and for some reason had a morbid fascination in counting how many people, at first, fell off the thread due to mc. No-one has yet fallen off after 12 weeks which has been nice although there were a couple of shock mmc 12 week scans.

Digi we need to see a pic! Have you dared weigh yourself yet?! I have heard a lot of good things about second labours too.

Frozen that is true what someone else said too - that if you were seeing Mr S he would be very optimistic that you had passed the 9 week stage. He sees that as quite crucial with NK cells and said to me it was more of a landmark stage than 12 weeks.

Hello Kittens, sorry you are feeling despondent with it all, who can blame you. It is very, very frustrating for you and all the others yet to get a BFP for a while. As if it is not enough to have had recurrent mcs.

Thanks for doing the list too everyone! I will update Stogan and also add Frozen.

To continue with the property porn, I kinda fell in love with a council house earlier. Well, not the house itself but the area. The rooms are big and it is three bedrooms and it is in one of the nicest parts of town. It has fab views too - all across Canary Wharf and London. It's also 100k less than what we would pay for a 2 bed cottage in the area (which we can stretch to too, but really want that third bedroom) BUT it's ex-local authority. I have had one before and it has been fine. Does anyone have any thoughts? Seeing two more on Saturday morning. Both at the top end of the budget, neither as great as location as the council one, but both v nice looking properties. Euro I agree about the bus thing - I saw one earlier in East Greenwich but then thought well I would have to get a bus to the action anyway so pretty pointless moving from where I am. So definitely might have to compromise on type of house.

Am at home indulging in some rather pregnant behaviour - spooning peanut butter and strawberry jam from a ramekin. I haven't managed to do any shopping and that's all we have in. Had a nice lunch at Ping Pong though so it's hardly like I am going to waste away.

Really must squeeze some work in now, between the house viewing, the lunch in town and this evening's pilates...

freelancegirl · 28/02/2012 15:41

Adding Frozen and Zoe

Tues 28th Feb

BFP
3rd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2, DC#1 38+3 Induction booked 09/03/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2, DC#2 33+1 Due 16/04/12 AN appt 6/03/12
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks 30+1
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2, DC#2 ? 27.4 C-section booked: 14/5/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2, DC#2- 26+6 Next scan March

2nd Trimester
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP Clomid cycle#3, DC#1
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxychloroquine, Pred, Intralipids, 400 Cyclogest, Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. DC#1 19+0 Anomaly scan 16th March
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR, DC#2/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). 18+6 Next Scan 6/03/12
batteryhen - High NKC, factor v leiden. DC#1 BFP cycle 3. 15+5 next scan at 16 weeks.
coleyoz - V High NKC. DC#2, BFP cycle2, 15+2, Nuchal scan TBC

1st Trimester
Mercator - V High NKC, TTC#2. 10+4, next scan at 12 weeks 8/3/12
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC - TTC#2. Next scan TBC - 9+5
dunnit - V High NKC - TTC#1, on Pred, IVIG, prog and Clexane. 9+5
PQ77 - V High NKC TTC #2 (BFP cycle one but mc) 5+1
FrozenNorthPole - High NKC, Cyclogest, 10+?.

TTC
Waiting to test
BellyD - V High NKC - TTC#?
Suemays - V High NKC, TTC #2. Superov cycle 2. (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine) Testing on 1st March
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, pred cycle 5, Super Ov Cycle 1 testing approx 7/3rd
eurochick - TTC#1 High NKC, superovulation cycle 3, pred cycle 3,
Pebbles - TTC#1 High NKC, PCOS, super ov cycle 1 (post IVF - 1 chemical, 1 mc)

Waiting to ovulate
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1 1st cycle Super Ov
Willitbe - RMC, NKC not tested, TTC #4 cycle 1 (after miscarriage number 12) Fertility consultant prescribed pred.
buster76 -V High NKC, Factor V Leiden.
ChoccyPud - V High NKC - TTC#1 from March (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)
Lemonsherbet - TTC#1 v high/high NK, Mthfr, thyroid issues, pred 1st trim & Intralipids 2nd on bfp
Arianrhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)

WTTC
ScooterChaser - V High NKC - TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)
Breezyweezy - V High NKC - TTC#1
AandRmum - High NKC
Cornflakes30 - V High NKC, underactive thyroid
picolina - V High NKC MC on treatment
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - due to start IVF
Brownstag - V High NKC, 3 yo DS is a Pred Baby! TTC #2
Zoeella V.high NKC, Factor V Leiden. abandoned IVF, pos PCOS.

Havingkittens · 28/02/2012 15:43

free, we live in an ex council maisonette. Most of the flats & maisonette's in the (purpose built ex-council) street are now owned privately and my OH got a lot more for his money than he would've with a private flat. It's worth trying to find out how much of the block you are looking at is privately owned.

digitalgirl · 28/02/2012 17:16

free we also live in an ex-local authority house. Except ours is pretty small compared to the rest of this particular area of North London, but we've made it our own and now I love it (although wish I had a bigger wardrobe). It is well within a catchment area for an 'outstanding' primary, so we'll be staying for as long as possible. Our road is about 50:50 privately/council owned. Because the houses on our 'estate' are no bigger than 3 bedrooms once a family in a council house gets too big they get relocated. There's a nice community feel to it, lots of the council houses are occupied with little old ladies who like tending to their front gardens. And the private owners all get along well.
Some of the council house teenagers tend to get drunk/wasted and row a lot amongst themselves in the summer, but we get regular police drive bys which seems to keep things calm.

Waves at kittens - sorry you and ari are feeling pretty low about the whole ttc thing Sad.

Havingkittens · 28/02/2012 17:42

Hello digi, well, maybe things will turn around. Who knows.

Whereabouts in North London are you? I have a feeling you're not far from me. Are we the only Londoners on this thread not from the South East corner of town? I'm in Islington.

By the way, I may be in grumblebum mode but I'm still up for a meet up if there's still plans for one. Seems to have gone quiet on that front.

Cheerfulcharlie · 28/02/2012 17:50

Free. Don't get me started on property porn! I can get a bit obsessed too.

We bought an ex council house (now we rent it out) in SE london. With ex-LA I think it depends on the location and the other council properties around it but most importantly it depends on the neighbours. We are very fortunate in that most of the houses around are privately owned and the council tenants that are there are very respectable types. I also think it's easier if it's an ex LA house rather than flat (no sharing communal areas). Hope this does not sound snotty. A lot of council tenants are perfectly good tenants and look after the property anyway.

I was very paranoid about after it we put the offer in and kept driving past at different times of the day to check it out but i was fine I am definitely glad we got it and the garden is beautiful (oh, I miss it now, I must think of the rain and cold). To get a similar non-council house in that area would be 150k more. I love the area, there's so much going on and only max 10 mins walk from three different stations, the compromise has definitely been worth it.

I think you can also do a search with the Local Authority to see if there has been any anti social behaviour / noise reported locally. Might be worth doing that, see what comes up?

Also i would stretch yourselves and go for the bigger property that might last you longer. Just think all that stamp duty not to mention agent fees, solicitors, new furniture etc every time you move house. It's not insignificant, especially if you only plan to stay 2 years.

ChoccyPud · 28/02/2012 19:24

Blimey we really do chat don't we? I've been devoid of MN all day (ran out of data on my phone, no wifi at work...argh!) and it's taken me ages to catch up.

ari sorry for bfn. I suppose he wouldn't put you through super ov unless he thought it clinically necessary, maybe it's a conversation to have in a few months' time if there's no BFP in the meantime?

Just checked and I'm on 400mg cyclogest too. After my implantation bleed mc in Nov, I "took" two x 400s until the scan just in case. As someone said you can either do them both together or one twelve hours apart.

The Hydroxy definitely seems to be modulating my immune system. A few people at work have had some virus thing that gives headaches (check) and slightly upset tummy and icky feeling (check). Pita about the dicky tummy is whether the Hydroxy is being absorbed properly but I guess if it wasn't then I'd be doing a better job of fighting it off. Who knows. I may as well save mentalling energy for post ov and ignore it for now!!

Speaking of mentalling, pq been there done it bought t shirt... distraction is a good plan I think. I'm sure we are all great on theory of how to stop mentalling but when it gets to reality, it's perfectly understandable that previous experience comes back to bite us. Thinking of you

Waves to everyone else :)

Coconutfeet · 28/02/2012 21:20

Frozen - I think I might have given you misinformation ? I told you I was on 200mg of cyclogest but actually, I think I may have been 400. I was diagnosed with very high NKC and, as free says, this is the protocol. I no longer have any of the packaging left so can?t check. Sorry if I?ve confused you.

Free ? I didn?t realise that it was also an immune modulator. Interesting. Good luck with the house search today. BTW. We?re looking around Walthamstow Village but lots of the 2 bedroom houses there are really tiny too. I think we?d feel really cramped with 2 boisterous boys charging around so I?m really hoping we?ll find a larger 3 bed in our price range. I would totally go for an ex-local authority place if it?s where you want to be. Often they?re really well built, and you definitely get more for your money.

Ari ? Really sorry about the BFR. Even though you thought it wasn?t going to happen, it?s still a massive disappointment. Have you considered taking Co-Enzime Q 10 to improve your egg quality. Lots of women on the Over 40s thread on Fertility Friend take it in pretty high doses for this. I was taking it last year.

Welcome to the third trimester iggi!

Good luck with the mentalling PQ. It's just awful isn't it. We can all totally relate to it, so use us as a distraction.

igggi · 28/02/2012 21:42

Hello, sorry to have been absent have been struggling to keep up with work never mind this fast-moving thread!
I loved the description of what we would like to write (but won't) on the antenatal threads. I look in on the May one sometimes just to see what normal people are up to.
I do hope I'm in the 3rd trimester - I said that to midwife and she said oh, that's between week 28 and 30 - talk about a let down! (Plus I think she's wrong).
Good luck with all the scanning and testing this week.

freelancegirl · 28/02/2012 22:21

Just a quick scan through from me as am tired and will be up early (well early for me! 7am) for a shoot all day.

CHoccy glad you are feeling ill ? if you know what I mean. I always thought that a virus or something might be reassuringly NK-cell-dying.

I love all the ex-local authority/house hunting support from all. The first flat I owned as ex L.A. and it was fine. I think like you said the downsides was sharing the hallway as it was a flat , as you said Charlie? not because people who were council tenant per se, but just because there seemed to be a lot of people who needed additional care there. A crazed drunk 20 year old who shouted on his own in the flat all the time etc etc. I think this one ? with three bed houses ? would be better. Good point too Digi about little old ladies ? there is one bang next door apparently.

Apparently there haven?t been many sold but the estate agent/owner (yes she was both) said this had always been a good thing as there were a lot of long running nice people there. But of course she would say that wouldn?t she! Either way, I do really like it. Off to see it again with DH and two more places on Saturday. The two we are looking at on Saturday are at the top of the budget (100k more than the council one) but actually are near to the Heath (which is nice) but closer to Lewisham station as a hub rather than GW. And I really want to be in GW if I can. But these houses DO sound lovely. We will see.

Great to see you drop in Iggi! Yes I have heard that re the 2nd trimester too but also that it is 26+6 weeks as well so who knows. I chose to update you on the latter so we could move you up the thread

Preg/Pred thread-wise I sat down with DH and diaries and we decided to cancel the scan on the 16th March and book one at FMC on Friday 9th March. So that?s my next Big Day, unless anything goes weird beforehand of course. I have kept the Mr S (or rather Mr S? team) appt at 10ish at Epsom General (EGH as it is known) on the 16th.

Right, am off to try to get an early night.

picolina123 · 29/02/2012 07:24

zoe and frozen welcome , this thread is brilliant , you learn so much and everyone understands where you are and how you are feeling and the support is excellent no matter what its for.
ari sorry your feeling so rubbish, i was reading in dr beers book ( unless i misunderstood) the the nkc can attack the eggs as well and thats why they can sometimes be not top quality, so when i read that i was thinking well , the other stuff they have me on may fix that, have you had a fsh and lh test? were your tests ok? dr beer says in his book ( i know , stop with the dr beers) if thes test are ok and your ovulating then there is no reason you cant have a baby, and according to him the safe age is up to 45 yrs old,
coconut i might look into this as well , wont hurt will it co enzime q10.
thanks for all info on intralipids , i thought it was 700-900 a pop so 350 is much more affordable -IF they tell me i need it.

i just wanted to say a thankyou to everyone ! all of you have been so supportive and willing to share info, experiences and always there to celebrate and when things dont go according to plan. i would hate to think of going through this without your support!

picolina123 · 29/02/2012 07:36

here's one , great idea and not that expensive , depending on strength. but in think we would have to check if we can mix it with the stuff we are on.

Can Coenzyme (Co Q10) Turn Back Your
Biological Clock?

By Lorne Brown B.Sc, CA, DR.TCM, FABORM, CHt

Until now western reproductive medicine has maintained that aging and egg quality is an irreversible process. A new study from Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto on Co Q 10 and egg quality, presented at the Canadian Fertility and Andrology 2011 conference, suggests that it may be possible to improve egg quality and slow down the aging process. At this point the study has just been done in mice, but researchers feel the work looks promising and are about to launch a study in humans.

What really excites me about this study is that it contradicts current Western Medical ideas
that view female egg quality as simply determined by biological age and genetic factors and instead suggests that environmental factors can affect the health of the egg.

My training in Chinese medicine and my clinical experience treating women with diagnosis of low ovarian reserve, high FSH, poor responder, repeated miscarriages and advanced maternal age have convinced me that egg quality can be improved.

I have seem many cases where women have conceived?often naturally--and had a healthy baby after three to six months of Chinese herbal therapy, acupuncture, and diet and lifestyle changes.

The study on Co Q10 gives scientific evidence that supports my clinical experience and the age old wisdom of Chinese medicine. Co Q-10 is a form of enzyme the body makes naturally and according to the study it can boost the energy output of mitochondria, reverse the effects of mitochondrial changes in eggs, improve fertility, and reduce the risk of chromosomal abnormalities.

All our cells are powered by little structures called mitochondria which the head researcher of the study, Robert Casper compares to batteries in a flashlight. The egg has about 200 times more mitochondria than any other cell. During recruitment of follicles mitochondrial DNA increases from 6000 copies to about 200,000 and is very vulnerable to mutations and deletions. After 35 years, the batteries (mitochondria) wear down. At age 40, nine out of 10 eggs are abnormal.

In the study the scientists found that by injecting ?old, retired breeder mice with CoQ-10, they were able to rejuvenate the animals?eggs ? spurring more eggs to develop, and of a quality as genetically normal as the eggs of mice in their prime. The offspring of the treated older mice, the human equivalent of age 50, also looked as healthy as those with younger mothers.?

According to Casper CoQ-10 is like ?a fuel source? that helps keep the cellular batteries powered up ? perhaps even in the human egg. Roger Pierson, an infertility expert at the University of Saskatchewan, explains ?that [CoQ10] might help eggs overcome environmental insults.?

Western reproductive medicine has focused almost exclusively on the mechanics of uniting egg and sperm and implanting the embryo. The advances in this area over the last 30 years have been breathtaking, but future progress in fertility treatment is going to have to focus in the quality of egg and sperm and of the gestational environment.

It is tempting to think that there can be a pill that we can take to accomplish that, and the Co Q10 study speaks to that hope. But Co Q10 is just one nutrient that affects mitochondrial function and, in fact, there are a host of other foods and herbs ?many of which are in the Chinese medicine pharmacopeia- that are known to boost mitochondrial function and have anti-ageing, anti-oxidant properties.

This is where I believe the Chinese Medicine can really contribute to fertility care, as it takes a holistic approach to promoting health and longevity. Chinese medicine therapy does not just affect the functioning of the ovaries?as is the case with Co Q10-- but improves the systemic functioning of the whole body (bringing things into balance) so ovarian functioning will improve naturally.

Much as I am excited about this recent study and the implications for fertility and aging, I worry that the idea that Co Q10 is the next magic youth pill will obscure the real breakthrough this research points to ?that is egg quality is mutable and there are natural things a woman can do to improve her egg quality and prolong her reproductive life.

Lorne Brown B.Sc., CA, Dr. TCM, FABORM, CHt
Founder and Clinical Director
Acubalance Wellness Centre (British Columbia)

Stogan · 29/02/2012 07:47

iggi both dr and mw told me 3rd tri begins at exactly 27weeks (1st being 13.3 week and 2nd 26.6) so u are definitely a 3rd tri girl now I would say WOO HOO !!!

Morning all and good luck to any testers/scanners/swis today xxxGrin

igggi · 29/02/2012 07:48

I was taking that Q10 stuff prior to my most recent 2 pregnancies. I must have read about it on MN or I wouldn't have thought of it! Pretty sure I told Mr S about it, though you would of course be better checking. I stopped it at 12 weeks along with most of the vits, bar pregnacare.

igggi · 29/02/2012 07:51

Thanks Stogan Grin. It IS lovely to make a bit of progress!

duggs1976 · 29/02/2012 08:13

iggi egg obsessed duggs here! What is this Q10? I'm off to ask dr google as well!

suemays · 29/02/2012 08:36

Need some advice as I am 10dpo today and have got a very very faint line on the frer. Could it just be an evaporation line? I don't want to get my hopes up as my chemical started with a very faint line at 12dpo, got stronger over 4 consecutive days and then disappeared by the 6th day. I have been feeling strange with slight nausea and light headed but I know the drugs have those side effects!

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picolina123 · 29/02/2012 08:47

duggs ive been googling all morning, Q10 sounds promising , the dose goes from 35 to 300mg, im not sure how much to take for eggs , i just wanna go out and get them but i have to check with the clinic!

sue sounds really promising, are you using a normal preg test or early response? when i got my post it was on early response, nothing on normal tests until a few days later, but it was v clear on er.

PQ77 · 29/02/2012 09:20

morning, thanks for the co q10 info guys, really interesting. I am egg obsessed too like duggs.

sue to me a FR line is a line isn't it? Assuming you didn't rip the thing apart like i did and looked at it at the right time etc...it's a line?

also really appreciate the patience with my mentalling - had bad back ache last night and then a one off splodge (sorry, best way to describe it) of brown blood. So no cheery positive thoughts for me, oh no, have packed my best overnight sanitary pads in my handbag today, expecting the worst. Either that or am sure I will have another mmc - really must stop googling "blighted ovum brown spotting back ache".

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