Assisted Conception (and all the bits that go with it) volume 9

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A new snug for us AC ladies

Special hello again for Vics I had OCD in my teens. It was never properly diagnosed. Eventually it went away but I think my overeating started then! I am now following a programme of CT (Cognitive Therapy) for my eating problems. About 14 years ago I had anxiety (attacks) and had CBT on the NHS for that, and found it really helpful. I just wonder if some CBT might be helpful for you. I am not sure if you have had it or thought of it. In case you have not, here is some information from this website...

www.patient.co.uk/health/Cognitive-Behaviour-Therapy-%28CBT%29.htm

Just a few words from the website:

"CBT tends to deal with the here and now - how your current thoughts and behaviours are affecting you now. It recognises that events in your past have shaped the way that you currently think and behave."

"CBT is also different to counselling, which is meant to be non-directive, empathetic and supportive. Although the CBT therapist will offer support and empathy, the therapy has a structure, is problem-focused and practical."

Also it says "... government policy is to make CBT more widely available on the NHS."

All best wishes with your treatment Vics.

PS Vics I should say the CBT worked for my anxiety attacks and I have not suffered from them for over a decade.

Hi all got a BFN this morning feel gutted and empty. DP and I have agreed we will try again as we got as far as egg collection and transfer this time so know we can do it. I had high hopes and there was definitely something going on last week but obviously not enough to make it stick. We have had a good cry and he has gone back to sleep but I am just staring at the ceiling wondering if there is anything I could have done differently

Morning. Thanks so much Italian, I will look into that definately :)
So sorry to hear your news Wellerbabe... I know nothing said will make it easier. Sending a big hug to you.
Morning to everyone else... I am just trying to get to grips with names! There are lots of friendly folk on here. Vics x

Oh weller I'm sorry to hear that. I think a lot of it is just luck so don't think about whether you could have done anything differently. Take time to regroup. We will be here to hold your hand now and through the next cycle. xx

Oh Weller sweetie. So very very sorry. I know how it feels and the only thing you can do is be nice to yourself and focus forwards. It sounds like you were very close, so there's definitely hope for trying again. Sending you a big hug, a box of tissues (those nice ones with balm in), a selection of cathartic dvds like Beaches and Gone with the Wind, and a barman on standby.

Italian yes over here they arent restricted on the number to transfer in the same way as in the UK, so the doctor can make a judgement based on how rubbish you are your history. It's one of the reasons for their high success rates although obviously the chance of multiples is raised too.

I was sitting in the airport on Friday, surrounded by people going on holiday or business trips, feeling nervous and lonely, and it suddenly hit me: we're all amazing, arent we. We will do all this, inject ourselves with drugs, travel all over the place, go through invasive medical procedures, take massive chances by adopting a stranger's genes, all to have a family to love and cherish. We go through heartbreak after heartbreak, all the while holding down jobs, feeding the neighbour's cats and remembering to buy MIL's birthday present. It's become almost a way of life for some of us, but actually it's a huge and weird adventure that we've been pitched into. I think you're all heroines. Thank you for sharing the madness with me xx

Weller, I'm so sorry. A lot of it is just down to luck. Just wondering if you've had immunes tested? Just wondering because while trying naturally, several times I got some pre preg symptoms, and then they went away and I got AF. I convinced myself I was imagining it, but when I was on the drug to lower immunes I got same symptoms, they stuck and I got my BFP. Even with immune treatment people get BFNs obviously, just wondered if it's something you've looked into. Sorry I can't remember. But in the meantime, I hope the sun is shining where you are this morning and that you and DH have a special day together x

mojangled brilliant words and totally agree we just 'keep calm and carry on' so that's why this board is so great as whenever we need some support or need to vent we can do it on here

lucy as I have DS from previous relationship immunes has not been discussed.....

Thanks all for kind words. DS at his Dads today so DP and I are going to do something nice together and I think it may involve a big fat glass of Malbec along the way

Weller sweetie. I'm so sorry. Sending you the hugest hug.

Weller, I have ds too, who was conceived naturally and easily 5 years ago. My clinic told me that as you get older, your immune system gets stronger as your body moves out of the reproductive phase and into disease prevention stage, so a previous successful pregnancy by no means rules out current immune issues. Depressing I know. I was 37 when I started trying for dc2. As soon as my immunes were lowered I got pregnant.

Mo, I was happy for clinic to stop immune treatment when they did. ARGC treat immunes for way longer than other clinics, and I think for longer than medical research says actually helps, so by the time I stopped I was confident they had done their job.

Happy Sunday to everyone x

Weller, no words will do you justice. It is such a hard time. Be kind to yourself and DH. Indulge in the red glass. Are thoughts are with you

I'm so so sorry Weller. As Badger said, there is so much luck involved and there's definitely nothing you could have done differently. Enjoy that glass of Malbec and your time with DP today. Be good to yourself and know that one day you will be the one that gets lucky. Sending you a big hug. xx

weller sending some virtual hugs your way ((((()))))

Lucy i'm envious that you've finished the clexane. i'm just over a week in and although the jabs are mostly okay, i am covered in bruises. Am due to have a pre FET legwax this week, not sure how i'll explain the state of me

Mojangled i'm glad the waiters spoiled you - i love Greece too and have many happy holiday memories. And you're SO right about us all being amazing. This is a crazy journey but as you say, we manage to maintain normal lives in parallel... May all of our efforts be rewarded with an abundance of BFPs

Weller sending you another huge hug. xxx

Pocket, where are you injecting? I was advised to inject in the tummy fat, alternating sides. Easier than it sounds, surprisingly. I never tried it in the leg. I seemed to go through phases where sometimes I'd bruise then go for a few weeks without bruises - didn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. I know Lissy used Arnica and that helped with bruising.

Weller so sorry to hear your news.

Vics welcome here. I have a now 3mth old ds but still lurk here . I too had issues and had to come off medication in order to have IVF treatment etc; in fact one psychiatrist tried to stop my having ivf as they said I wouldn't cope with the hormone treatment - well, I did and was better during treatment, its failure and subsequent pregnancy and am now off all medication . I told my dh not to react to me if I struggled and did have some private counselling to help me also. All the best.

MoJangles - wow to 7 fertilised embies!!

Pocket I found as weeks went on I bruised less and less. Hope FET goes well for you!

Hello ladies would it be ok if i joned you for some hand holding ?
I am 31 and dp is 29 been ttc for 12 months and now at the start of some AC. xx

Did try to post this afternoon but it got lost was being more upbeat but having significant pains especially down low feel like contractions. And DH agrees boobs are less full and different not long to wait but really busy few weeks

Pocket someone else on MN told me that you should inject into your tummy as clexane is fat soluble and you want to make sure you don't hit muscle. I did it right up to 36 weeks. I found the lower down the better and that's what I'm doing again now even though I don't have to go low down as I no longer have a bump! I've hardly any bruising at all.

Weller I'm so sorry. Never easy and sometimes it's just bad luck. I would also advocate checking immunes as they are something which can develop later on.

weller I am so sorry for you, honey, I am thinking of you.

Welcome hellokittydrivesmenuts I was going to abreviate your name to hellokitty but decided that it would ... drive you nuts! actually I quite like it, maybe because it remind me of Asia where I lived when I was working as a language teacher back in my 20s! - Do you realise she is over 36 - the kitty I mean! Anyway ....welcome may your stay here be fruitful and supportive.

Mojangles wow, 4 on board is so amazing.

Morning all, thankyou Kezia, I have had even well meaning friends say, "are you sure you want to go through all that?" because of the OCD meds. It's pretty hard at the mo but only been off 2 months. Am going to take Italian's advice and ask for CBT through my GP.

Hi there hellokittydrivesmenuts! Blimey that's a mouthful! I'm new on here too, everyone has been lovely to me :)

Mojangles I am new to all this IVF business so excuse me for being daft, your Doc will implant 4 embryos? I wish, wish, wish that happenend here. I have been told only one :( How is everyone else?

Today is one of those days for me, already! That doesn't bode well does it!

Vics x

Sorry should have been clearer, I am doing celaxine into my tummy fat. But since my entire tummy is now bruised I cant see how I'll be able to hide it during a leg wax.

Welcome HelloKitty glad you found us. Good luck with your other appt today. Let us know how you get on x

HelloKitty just read on another thread that you're on the 2ww!?! When is your otd? Fx for you my dear x