TTC for 10+ months, part 5

[MuddyWellyNelly]

Filled up our old one, I'll put our updated list on a separate post so that it's not a huge chunk of text at the top of every page.

Old thread here. Newbies always welcome, much as we'd like to hope nobody ever gets to this stage of TTC!

mrshy - I do try that coping strategy as well but i find it bloody doesn?t work! I know i don?t want their baby and I say that over and over again. And I also just keep saying to myself that i?m happy for them (let?s face it, of course I am not really) yet still today I feel like I have butterflies and a sick feeling in my stomach ? and all because my friend wasn?t drinking. I think bump announcements actually just panic and scare me because it emphasises something is wrong with me and there?s nowt that can be done about it. I?ve spent shit loads of cash on supposedly gynaes at the top of their game and that?s got me nowhere and there doesn?t seem to be a major problem..apparently. I?ve tried the nhs route and been told to relax so that doesn?t help either. Fate just feels like it is in the hands of the gods whilst one year after the next passes me by. Sorry as you can tell, i?ve got myself in to a bit of a state.

wine - my preg radar is almost supernatural ! My male colleague went in to see the big boss before xmas and through the glass barriers, I could just tell he was telling him that his wife was pregnant. I had noticed he had stopped smoking for some time and i knew it must be to do with conception. So I know I?m not wrong on this one....although I was wrong on Kate Middy as I would have expected an announcement before chrimbo. Also how can you stand those daily updates from smug friend? It?s so insensitive when she has friends who are having problems...I can?t believe how self involved and inconsiderate people can become...Anyway, well done on the stitches front!

karbea - how annoying about lack of surge, perhaps it will appear later today ? isn?t the best time to poas in the afternoon?

euro - is letrozole suppose to cause late ovulation? And is it like clomid in that it dries up the ewcm? I must say clomid messed me around ? i had no ewcm on it, it caused very late ovulation and gave me an 8 day lp which stressed me out no end, so totally understand the stressing...Whining always allowed here ? check out the beginning of my post for whining!

nelly - vit b is suppose to do something for LP apparently , i?m not sure about spotting.

mrsd - oh my god, luck thing, have great fun skiing!

jn018 - ooh no, i never did it rectally. I think orally is just as effective. You should take it around the same time each day (if you can) and you will start to see a pattern emerge. You are really just looking for that nice clear biphasic pattern. Although some people?s temps can go up gradually , whereas others jump up. You should try and have at least 3 hours of straight sleep to get accurate temps as well. Also you will notice temps are high after booze the night before.

Oh lemon - i am sorry about AF. Grrrr.

flamingo - apologies in advance for just trying to diagnose you over the internet...not my intention but your situation does sound similar to a girl I know so i thought i would share. Wild and long cycles and she is extremely thin ? her whole family is tiny and the GP said it wasn?t likely that she had PCOS. But she went to get checked out privately and it turned out she did have poly ovaries (not sure whether it was pcos or the poly ovaries ? can?t remember the difference) and she was ovulating incredibly late and her LP was only 7 days. She was put on Metformin and clomid which brought her cycles down to 35 days and she was pregnant within 6 months. Anyway my point is that you should definitely get pcos looked in to. Do you know when you are ovulating and how long your LP is?

Hi Ho to everyone else.

That's brilliant, Nelly. Ben & Jerry's for everyone!

The clomid is messing about with my ovulation too, Euro. I had thought that ibuprofen might have had something to do with it, but I suspect not really. I'm not sure whether I've ovulated at all this cycle, I had a faint line on an OPK on cd 14 (which would have been about normal for me), but since then, nothing. I have however had lots & lots of ewcm - nice. DP & I have been valiantly carrying on regardless, but it's frustrating.

Izzy The 2 months of clomid so far have been almost entirely side effect free for me, apart from one hot flush during cycle 1 and a messed up ovulation during cycle 2! I'm only on 50mg, though I'd recommend it. If nothing else it's helping me to feel a bit more in control.

Waves to everyone else

I know, ice cream is a great plan?

joycep I guess I was putting spotting and LP issues in the same problem category. Anyway, just been to the loo and hey surprise, it's Sludge-Gate time . Guessing the ERTD will show up in full tomorrow. FFS.

Damn nelly, I have been eating low fat foods for all these years. Luckily my new diet requires me to eat full fat food - I feel a bfp coming on imminently!

Oh nelly - , fudge sludge . I'm sorry. I always have a sinking feeling and then I laugh in my face at even the thought I could have possibly thought it wouldn't appear.

Hello,

I've been so I'll today not sure if it's a 24hr bug or food poisoning! I've not made it out of bed :( I'm managing to keep water in me now... Touch wood.

I didn't get a surge this am, so I think my surges would have been sat/sun, the cbfm still only says two bars, I think it's either not as sensitive, or has it's knickers in a twist as I've not been using it regularly. Anyway called the Argc and booked in for next blood test on Wednesday.
I don't get ecwm anymore either, I wonder if it just gets washed away with sperm???

jno I didn't do it anally either, remember it's a pattern you are looking for so it doesn't have to be accurate, just equally inaccurate everyday.

joyce I do wonder if I'm the same talking about ivf, it seems all I talk about, I wonder if my single friends who'd like a dh and baby, feel the same about ivf as we do about pregnancy? I said to dh at the weekend I'm bored of talking about it already and it's not even started yet :(

Hi pixie good to know you havent suffered too badly with clomid side effects. I think i'll see what prog test says if we make it that far! Our dr told us clomid can also have opposite effect to that which is wanted and can delay ovulation...maybe thats happening to you?

Karbea sorry you are not well. Some months on cbfm you dont get a peak, in fact when i fell pregnant id had 19 days of high and no peak but clearly ovulated somewhere! If you arent using it regularly it doesnt like that either because it memorises your cycles etc. It may be worth resetting it??

Letrozole (similar to Clomid) delayed ov for me - day 20 against a consisten ov over the past 9 months or so of days 14-16. My consultant has upped the dose this month and I think it is going to be even later as I am on CD9 and am usually having twinges of some kind by now but haven't felt a thing this cycle.

Blooming mumsnet just lost my post, argh!

Anyway sorry to hear of AF arrivals/almost arrivals lemon and nelly. It's shite. Every month I allow myself a tiny bit of hope and then get disappointed.

We had a pregnancy announcement at work today too joy. Must be the bloody time of year for them! To be fair, she'd been trying a while and had ops for fibroids I think (take note wine), but I'm still screaming it's not fair inside!

Sorry you are ill karbea Big hugs.

Enjoy the skiing and après ski mrsd. Am muchos jealous.

euro my ewcm varies month to month. Not sure why but according to temping I still ovulate even when there is v little of it.

Speaking of which, def the mouth for the thermometer! Has worked fine for me and nothing goes near my bum

Bon voyage to mrsden, oo to be on sunny slopes and après ski fondues and hot tubs. Itchy feet.

jno rectally!? No way. I find mouth works just fine and now i pretty much know if I'm pre or post ov by looking. It's very useful.

Oh boo to af lemon it's just impossible not to get hopes up isn't it? I do it without fail and never seem to learn. Even after my lap, even though I was ovulating whilst they went in and even though we didn't shag after cd 7, when I didn't get spotting I still thought, well, maybe!!!! Hope you're ok.

euro my ewcm is not what it once was! Once upon a time there was loads. I still get it but there is less. Acupuncture at just the right time and evening primrose oil and grapefruit juice in copious amounts did create a very good month once! Never did do cough meds though and it seems a bit far gone for that. And sperms kind of muddle up the whole thing for me.

gin sorry about the preg announcement but I'm also clinging onto the story about the fibroids very much. If you get details please share!!

nelly sorry the spotting came. It is always a blow. But it is good that it has lessened. Do you think it is the vitamins? Is it the ones where the omega three comes in a pack with it? Love to you.

Karbea get better soon.

joycep the updates are too much. But they have always been an hourly face booker, so I should have known really.

It is a wine free day today and meat free Monday in the wine household. My acupuncturist has made me feel a lot better about what I eat. I have spent a lot of time in the past year trying so hard to eat the 'right' plan, or raw things or brown things or other things free of joy. But now I'm just trying to eat good home made things, five a day and keep under my units. That will do quite nicely.

Happy Monday everyone else x

A wee quick post to say if anyone needs some more vitamins centrums pregnancy vits (for before conception and pregnancy) are 3 for £10 in asda. They are usually over £5 per tub (30day supply).

Welcome dameflamingo and abicobb

Nelly So jealous of your wedding planning, I want to be planning mine again!

Huge congratulations to Runner

Going to be a bit of a me post, sorry! But i'll catch up on everyone else's progress shortly.

I was quite down last week, think it's a combination of things namely; waiting for the hospital to ring, waiting for AF to arrive, it being another month to add to the total number trying and just general feeling crappy.
Spoke to the hospital on wednesday after I thought AF was imminent where they told me they'd be starting me next cycle rather than this one Felt shit (sorry) because that's another month to wait, seems to be one endless wait.
AF eventually arrived on Friday. Then Saturday DH went away to his friends so I went out and drank far too much in the hope that it would make me feel better when will I learn? so yesterday I felt even worse.
Also suffer from anxiety and panic attacks and could feel myself on the cusp of one so had a lazy day at my sisters.
Still feel crappy today but I know it's just a low and i'll come up the other side shortly.

BUT, I did get some good news today!! They're starting my treatment on CD1 of my next cycle and i'll be on the short protocol (instead of CD21 and long protocol). So that's good, means less injecting as well
Just got to book a prepping appointment about a week before AF then i'll start around 16th/17th February, Just hope i'm not 4 days late again, don't think i'll be able to cope

Sorry for the long, rambling "me" post. I hope everyone else is doing ok

Izzy Congrats on the weight loss, that's amazing!!

Karbea That's interesting about sex regulating cycle, my cycles tend to be 27-29 days with the odd 32/33 thrown in just the piss me off get me excited. Maybe the 32 months are the one's with less sex
What was even wierder about it was I started having AF symptoms (boob ache, cramps etc) a lot earlier than I would in a normal cycle
Hope you're feeling better today, I had Norovirus in november and it was awful so I sympathise, I hate tummy bugs

Welcome JNO18 I hope you don't have to stay too long and you get a BFP soon (along with everyone else on this thread )

Sorry for late reply I don't get on very often.
My first child is now 2 yrs and 8mths, however I was a bit lazy and did not loose my pregnancy weight.
I have since lost 2 stone since November and just got 1 stone to loose to get back to pre pregnancy weight. The doctor has indicated that this may have been a factor so fingers crossed.

Morning ladies.

Gosh, I've missed lots over the weekend. I've read through but can't even begin to mention everyone so apologies in advance.

Sorry about the arrivals of AF, spotting and the crappy pregnancy announcements from everywhere it seems! As gin said, it must be the time of year...

JNO - hello and welcome, though sorry you find yourself joining us.

abbicob and izzy - great news on the weight loss

wine - you're a braver woman than I taking your own stitches out. Hope you're feeling better for it.

Karbea - sorry you weren't well yesterday. Hope you're feeling better?

Fatima - great news that you can start on CD1 of you next cycle, and on a short protocol too. If I have my dates right, we will be quite close in going through the final stages.

Very envious of mrsd going skiing - enjoy! Our skiing gang is off to Austria in two weeks and we're not joining them this year - boo.

Ooh, and congratulations to runner. Fantastic news and great to hear a happy ending.

I don't know if it's because I'm about to start IVF/ICSI or acupuncture having an effect, or a lack of swi, but my cycle is totally off this month. I always ovulate between CD16-18 but this month, according to FF, I ovulated on CD12 - which matches with the pains I had last week too. Very weird indeed.

Waves to everyone.

Just wanted to say a quick hi. Apologies in advance for not namechecking everybody but I have missed loads in just three days!

Sorry for AF arrivals nelly and lemons. It is truly crap. I am waiting for mine and it is imminent. Cramping has started on CD bloody 27 (unheard of!) and a tiny amount of spotting has started too so I expect it will toy with me for a few more days yet. I am just so angry that yet again it isn't my month.

Hope that you are feeling better karbea and that you are having a better day fatima.

Boo to preggo announcements but massive kudos to wine for taking out your own stiches and yuk in equal measure!

Your dress ideas look lovely nelly and all your honeymoon talk is making me envious I will be having a my honeymoon somewhere very exotic in the South East that has every home comfort you can ask for... and you guessed it, it is actually my home!

Hello and welcome to JN0

hello everyone

I won't be on 10 months TTC until February but good old AF has just started (just spotting at the mo but sure it will turn into AF proper by tomorrow ) so I thought I'd mark my place now and come and join your gang properly in a few days' time, if I may?

I had a scan a couple of months ago which suggested PCOS likely so now waiting for day 3 and 7dpo blood tests to confirm. Any PCOS experts here? I am by the whole thing.

Hi minipie welcome to the thread. We are a friendly bunch and nothing is tmi!

I also have pcos and am a bit further down the line as I have been on metformin for 3months already and have filled a prescription for Clomid which we have to decide whether to start or not!!

Welcome minipie!

I'm feeling much better now, eating plain boiled rice - yum!

I'm stressing myself out about injecting myself! Anyone know if down reg drugs are sniffing or injecting drugs?

Karbea I think it's down to the hospital, can be either sniffing or injecting

Evening lovely ladies, I?ve just returned from a work trip and feeling very happy to be home.

wine yes, eating healthily does take bloody ages! I have spent hours in the kitchen making things recently. It has been fine so far because January weekends have been quiet but I?m not sure if I?ll be able to keep it up once things start getting busy again. I think you are very brave for getting rid of that nylon thread, was it strangely satisfying a la pulling out of ingrowing hairs?!

karbea ov confusion sounds very annoying! Glad you are feeling better. I had the 24 hour norovirus thing before Christmas, it was very yucky but it did clear off fairly quickly. Sorry, I have no clue about the IVF drugs, but I?m sure someone more helpful will be along soon.

euro that is annoying about the EWCM drying up a bit. Hopefully it is a temporary thing. Interesting about the Agnus Castus theory. I take AC but haven?t really noticed any differences on the EWCM front, the main thing that has affected it is acupuncture, which seems to increase it if I have a session shortly before ov.

lemon I am sorry that AF turned up, and that it has been painful. But it won?t be long until you start IUI, which is great, and a step closer to your BFP.

mrsd I hope you are having a fab time on your holiday in all that wonderful fresh air.

JNO18 rectal temping ? nooooo! There are limits to what I?m prepared to do to get a baby and that is definitely too much!

joycep yep I have a ridiculous pregnancy radar too, and it?s rarely wrong. I wonder about Kate and Wills. Maybe they just haven?t started trying yet.

nelly so sorry about sludge-gate, aaargh.

fatima really sorry you?ve been feeling down and anxious, but very good news that you will be injecting soon and for a shorter time.

pout I really hope AF stays away for you.

Hi to minipie - I love your name, and you?re very welcome here.

Waves to pixie izzygin ladygee and anyone I have missed.

Well EWCM started today so I guess I should get on with some SWI, as haven?t done any of that since Saturday morning. Poor DH is still out at work, and I am knackered, so it will no doubt be of the somewhat unenthusiastic variety. Really can?t get motivated with it this month, the prospect of yet another perfectly timed month of SWI with no end result is just a bit depressing. But, I keep reminding myself of the recent successes we?ve had and that it CAN happen after a long time, so I?ll just keep on trucking :)

It's been quiet on here today.

minipie (cute name) come and shelter in here for a bit. It's hard when it doesnt happen super quick and it's nice to get support from people know how it feels. Use this as a space for moaning and getting things off your chest.

joycep I was thinking about what you said about feeling better about stuff lately and I agree. Dont get me wrong I have regular shit outbursts of gloom but on a day to day basis, I'm knd of used to stuff and thats how it is? Maybe I've slipped into a state of reluctant acceptance. Like this is real, get on with it. I wish it wasn't but I always thought this was stuff that would happen to other people and how would I cope? But I know that I can, and I will. With gritted teeth!

Keep on trucking kitty. I watched a prog on iplayer about sex, episode three and it was about baby making, it's worth a look, it talks quite a bit about sperms. They took 5 blokes and put their sperm in a race (!) the focus was in motility and count and no mention of morphology at all. I ignored the bits on follicle count and early menopause

Well a wave to Ladygee pout fatima and Karbea and to everyone else on their Tuesday evenings. I had beef stroganoff for tea. I like posting about my teas, it isn't about making babies! Also I saw a thread where somewhere I think conception where people were just posting about themselves, what made them tick to remind themselves that they were about more than wombs. It made me feel quite uplifted. I want more emoticons. Where is my uplifted emotion?!!

Morning lovelies!

Welcome minipie - you came to the right place, lots of support and moaning definitely permitted.

Here things are not optimal at this end. As I got into work yesterday morning, our lovely secretary asked me how I was, and I just cried. Much to my irritation. I had been feeling on edge walking in but this was a bit more than I bargained for so I told her about last week (1xpg, 2x baby born, 1x hospital) and she was wonderful. It turns out she waited for 18 months for her eldest. I didn't know that, and it makes me feel it can still happen. She has had two girls in the end, about 2 years apart. I didn't have the guts to ask how long number 2 took. So then I was fairly unsettled for the day, but did loads of work, I do find it distracting. And then I had a just married friend for dinner and I nearly cancelled because I could not handle another pg-announcement. But I didn't and there was no announcement :) and we talked about work, men, life and all the things not TTC related. And we had lentils again, with choc puddings for dessert (one cannot be overly good and healthy).

Just going to do a generalised wave, still on edge and need to get my bottom to the office. Lovely secretary is off on Wed, thankfully, so hopefully no more tears...

Hi ladies! Hope you are all well on this horrible, grey morning.

fatima so sorry to hear you were feeling so down. The waiting must be so frustrating but you've been coping brilliantly. Make sure you look after yourself and do nice things. What you are going through is really tough. Big hugs.

My cycle seems a bit odd too this month ladyg and pout. I think I ov'd really early. Am putting it down to copious amounts of Xmas food and booze!

Enjoy the swi kitty We completely missed the right days this month I think. My DH worked some long hours during the window of opportunity so we couldn't be arsed!

Welcome mini!

wine I too read and enjoyed that post where the ladies spoke about non ttc things! It was lovely and I am scarily similar to several of them! Must be a mumsnet thing...

lemon awwww, I am sorry you're having a tough time at the mo. It is so hard. I totally know what you mean about being on the edge of tears and feeling unsettled. I'm in pmt week, so feeling a bit like that. Seeing pregnant lady at work really isn't helping either! I need to tell my boss that we have hospital appointment in Feb. Am dreading it as am worried I may cry when talking about it! I could be non specific re what it is about, but am then worried he'll think I'm pregnant and I'll need to tell him about stuff if we go down the ivf route anyway. Why can't we all just have babies normally?! I'm busy at work too which is a good distraction and have some nice things such as going to a gig and out for dinner lined up in the next few days :) Hope you are feeling a bit better today lemon.

Anyway, hope you all have good days and hello to those I've missed

thanks for the welcome everyone!

izzy can you tell me about metformin? is it only for weight loss or does it help with other things too?

Lemon sorry to hear about crying at work moment, but very glad your supper with friend was good (and didn't come with a pg announcement attached ).

wine I think I should look at that thread. I have been a bit wrapped up in the whole "why aren't I pg" thing recently, need to remind myself that I can still be having a nice life even if not pg.

AF is still not appearing properly - had days of trickle now. Same thing happened last month, managed to convince myself it was implantation bleeding before AF arrived properly - on Christmas Day . So at least this month I'm not getting false hopes up!