Coffee lounge and bar for MI5 interviewees, little friends and other CM studiers post MC – Part II

[wombatinwaiting]

Here is part II of our intrepid journey through the minefield that is TTC post MC. You can find part I on this thread.

Glad to hear you're getting your cheese in marathon if not the sex! Sorry to hear re: pg friends - that is hard so sending hugs. 2 weeks does seem quite early for AF but as emma says we're all different - I think the clots with first AF are quite standard though.

Are you tempted to test again emma - as yellow will testify, I can get quite pushy when it comes to encouraging people to test! If not, are you considering seeing doc?

So pleased your doc was so good yellow - what a difference it makes. I'd probably go with advice from harassed about waiting til 7 or 8 weeks for a scan so you do get to see/hear the hb. Don't know anything about stomach ulcers sorry but I'm sure dr google can help. Re: getting a bigger belly in the evning, I got that pretty much from the start - your uterus is growing fast at this stage and as you've already divulged about your wind issues, it could also be bloat / trapped wind. Re: the drinking - I got away with claiming a raging hangover a couple of times and an "I'll just start with a softie and see how I go" and then people get tipsy and forget it and you could always say you'll see how you go with a spritzer and feign continued illness.... also, could you / DP make sure you're always ordering and get yourself a lime and soda in a wine glass and claim it's a spritzer (of course, if you're a red wine drinker, this doesn't help!) or get a non-alcoholic cocktail made up (again, you'll have to be the one ordering) or claim a health kick and you're only drinking at weekends (works well with colleagues and clients). Good luck!

I'm off to what is likely to be a very alcoholic brunch today and hugely relieved I don't have to pretend anymore and can semi-justify pigging out on all the yummy food!

Thanks for the clothing advice Wombat, the Wallis top is lovely and just my colour, however I have pendulous bingo wings upper arm issues so that particular one is a no-go. I've quite a few floaty tops, it's just the trousers, but jeggings are a great idea with longer tops. Still in old, stretchy type jeans for now, but I expand as the day goes on so have to tend to loosen everything.
Yellow, glad you have confidence in your doctor, that's a plus for you. With the sun out, you can get away with white wine and soda that doesn't actually contain wine if you don't fancy. I've had one or two of those but only after the 8 week scan when I felt a bit 'safer'. People will notice if you don't have anything at all but won't if you nurse the same drink all night, as they'll be wrapped up in their own tipsy-ness. You could also try a 'gin' and tonic with lemon/lime. I have also swapped beer bottles with dh when no-one was looking. It's not really the weather for red wine so you'd be ok swapping your usual tipple for something more refreshing looking.
I don't know anything about stomach ulcers, are they linked to stress? If so, you'd be ripe for one in your line of work!
Right, best do some work, easier said than done with the sun blazing outside.
Hi to everyone x

Yellow so glad the doc was helpful and supportive! Don't scan too early though, can you imagine the stress if they couldn't pick the hb up at 6 weeks, which is quite normal??! And a very def yes to bloating as the day goes on! Also you're growing really fast in the early stages. At 6 wk scan baby measured just under 5mm, and 2 weeks later 14.7mm. I thought that was a lot of growing in 2 weeks!

Sparkly Have you tried the hair bobble trick on your jeans/trousers? It's kept me in mine and is much comfier as it stretches as the day goes. Wrap a bobble round the button, through button hole, and back over button. Add a long top! Otherwise I'm living in leggings and maxi dresses......sun or no sun. My main prob at the moment is my huuuuge boobs!! My sister gave me a couple of dresses and they'd be ideal except my boobs look and feel all squished up.

Emma you have more self control than me!!! Fingers x'd!

Wombat You sound super organised with your clothes! Lots of lovely ideas..... you're going to get me in trouble... .

marathon have you had a bfn since your erpc?? My best friend is due at the same time as I would have been, we were so chuffed to get bfp's at the same time!! So, I know how hard it is.

mrsb fingers firmly x'd for you too......

I feel sick and sneezy! Hayfever has kicked in......fabulous. But loving all the sunshine. Gutted I'm stuck in the office today!

Yellow now thats what you need from a doctor - I am pleased... good luck with the stomach ulcer... they are now known to be treated with antibiotics so you would have a double excuse.

I tested on day 28... I usually have cycles of about 30 days but after the MC they were 24, 28, 30 - now on day 35... but have no other symtoms and no CM which I had before with my pregnancies...

May test again if she hasn't arrived by tomorrow

I was thinking of seeing the doctor that I saw before I fell pregnant as she thought I might have endometriosis - she actually told me to come back in three months unless I was pregnant (which I was so didn't!) she saw I was ovulating late (CD 18/19) and suggested that should could give me something to ensure I ovulate at the appropriate time, now I am considering it!!

Harrassed I love your 'bobble trick' if DH hears about that I don't think I or DD will have any bobbles left!!!

Heres hoping this weather stays for the weekend!

Evening all

Thanks for all the scan advice. Last time I had a scan at 6.5 and saw the heartbeat and again at 8.5 when it had failed and I had the ERPC the next day. One advantage of the early scan being successful was that they were happy to move straight away with the ERPC rather than making me wait another week to check etc. We are going for a week with the in-laws, the day before I go is 6+4 so could check to make sure it's worth lying but if it bad news it will put a damper on the holiday. So I'm still in two minds really, I think I'm tending more towards waiting until 8 weeks.........so that would be just 5 days after I get back from my hols so hopefully that will help the time to go more quickly.

Good tip re the bobble harrassed, I'll have to dig one out. I think I need some more long tops too...........

Emma so annoying that af is messing you about, keep us posted if you do decide to POAS again........

Thanks for the alcohol tips too........when DP is around we've got quite effective at 'trick' drinking. The problem is my clients/work colleagues want to go for drinks Friday night and DP isn't there. Tonight I bought the drinks and sent someone back up stairs with the first drinks so I could ask the barman for a tonic water made to look like vodka and tonic........phew. Can't get away with that too much though....I do agree though that it is usually best not to really say anything and after the first drink or so noone cares.

Also I appreciate the reassurance regarding the swelling belly in the evenings. I thought I really must be imagining things as I am only 5 weeks and it seems a bit excessive to be talking about those kinds of changes. I have slightly sore boobs but that is about it. I know morning sickness would be v difficult to hide but I wouldn't mind some bigger boobs or other symptoms......(not wind thank you very much!)

Right I'm off to bed. Going to a family bbq tomorrow so another day of pretend drinking!

Hi all
Hope everyone is OK - enjoy France marathon, hope the moving wasn't too stressful harassed, yay for good doctor yellow and good scan sparkly

Sorry AF messing you about emma - no idea what is happening with mine, I'm on CD2 (it's Sat am here) - shortest cycle I have had in a LONG time - we're trying to be :) and say that at least the next try will come around quicker! Totally though - went out last night with some old work colleagues of DH and had lots of so feel a bit better today!

Hugs and waves to all those who need them!

Just a quick one. All well here in Florida.

Let us know when you test Emma, fingers crossed.

yellow I'm having the same problem with, erm expansion!!!!! DH is convinced it's twins but could be putting weight on because it's number 3 I suppose. All I've bought here to wear is short shorts and little strappy tops. I'm a size 10-12 and only bought some shorts 2 weeks ago max and although I can get in them, I look like I've piled on half a stone!! Put a maxi on the first night we arrived and just looked pregnant....can believe it. Might have to do some shopping :-D.

Another thing, well the first conception indicator I did was sat 28th (in afternoon) and said 2-3 and then the Sunday morning (29th) it had gone up to 4-5 so either the weekly change is on a Sunday or the sat test was inaccurate as not FMU. Anyway, then I tested on the morning of thurs 2nd and I got 5+ weeks??? Now that means in the space of 5 days I've had all three poss answers. Bizarre!!! Anyone know how reliable these things are? It's tempting to try and get a scan here before I leave but I'm struggling finding anywhere as mist places are for after week 15 or so.

Hope everyones good? And I loved Harry Potter world!!!! X

Morning ladies- hope you are enjoying your Sundays.

Good to hear from you star - have you managed to keep the secret from the in-laws yet? Sorry to say I have no experience with the digi tests but it sounds positive and assuming that they are testing levels of HCG, perhaps the quicker increase is down to twins! Do you have any history in your families? Glad to hear you're having a good time so far.

Bugger re: AF emma - must be madly frustrating for you. Let us know if you do test and if it isn't the news you're hoping for, then I think a trip to the doc would be v wise as I believe there is quite a bit they can do for endemetriosis and it would save you some anxiety over your cycles.

And you're having an odd time of it too wellie - hope things settle soon - have you ever tried temping or OPK sticks? Glad to hear you're making the most of the - we need someone to send us loved up tipsy messages seeing as we can't rely on yellow for those anymore

How did the getting away with no drinking work at the bbq yellow? Can fully appreciate your scan dilemma - I think I would prob wait until after the hols- easier said than done though..... how long are you away for?

Brunch was good on Friday - it was most amusing to see others sliding slowly into oblivion although I felt oddly hungover yesterday which seemed horribly unfair! Was supposed to be having a 16 week scan this weds but as my ob/gyn has cracked a vertebrae she's out of action for 5 weeks and so I am supposed to be seeing another doc at the hospital where I was very badly managed with MC1 and treated well with MC2 but it was ERPC so not very pleasant memories..... would definitely like to get a scan though as feeling decidedly un-pg - boobs still sore but no sickness and feeling generally pretty good physically but starting to mental a bit - would love to get to the kicking stage to make me feel more updiffed....

oops - waves to pecka, worm, harassed, ochaye and marathon - hope your're all well x

MOrning Girls
Yes wombat you are at that "inbetween" stage now, bummer about your doctor, fancy going and doing a silly thing like that ! if you can't get a scan, a heartbeat may be able to be heard now from 16 weeks, that is awesome! I ended up buying a doppler when PG with DD.

yellow I urge caution with the early scan for you too, denial is the way to go until you get passed where you got the other times, it's self preservation, if only you could go to sleep and wake up at 9 weeks.... hope you had fun at the bbq, how is DH?

So jealous of star being in florida, If I were you though I wouldn't be stressing about getting a scan while you are there, just relax and enjoy it and then focus on getting a dating scan when you get back, as those readings do sound screwy! I don't think fast HCG indicates twins though, as I have been lurking on the January thread (shameless hussy emocian) and a lady on there was mentaling because her HCG wasn't doubling and that has turned out to be twins. Ah Harry Potter world, did you have some butter beer? it was great for settling my tummy after that castle ride

wellie feel free to drink my share of too, last night I had seven 12 year olds in a tent in the garden, i really needed alcohol!! Today the inlaws are coming around for a bbq, not quite sure how I will get around not drinking with them, the MinL will definately suss me out. I actually don't mind then knowing now that I am passed where I got last time

emma well..............any news yet?? you have the patience of a saint!! all crossed!

Mrsb how is the 2ww going? Hope you are ok.....

harassed are you all settleing in well? did you move far?

Well my sickness has calmed down no end, I'm trying not to mental over it and have read all the stuff that says it could be the placenta taking over at 8 weeks, the booking in appointment is next sat and I may act all vague about my dates to try and get an early scan Happy sunday all :)

Hello everyone!

Good to read all these exciting but nervous threads, hope you're all doing ok.

We're back from hols and my bleeding has stopped. It only lasted a day and now it's gone. It could still be my AF as I used to spot for a day and then have nothing for three days before my AF arrived. Waiting patiently to see if that's it. I called the EPU and they told me to do a test and I got a BFN so they said it was probably just random bleeding - about as helpful as a chocolate teapot. They said it was possible that it was an early AF so we'll see.

Star I've always found those tests quite accurate so maybe it is twins!

Yellow I swelled up like a balloon in the first few weeks with dc1. I looked more pg at week 6 than I did at week 12!

Tempted with the doppler option worm - I'm 15+3 today so could offer some reassurance but then if I don't pick up the h/b, would that throw me into a complete paddy?!

These fluctuating symptoms are such a bugger.... why are there so many open-ended questions in pg....?! Well done on not mentalling.

Good to hear from you marathon although grrrr re: unhelfpul EPU although for once, a BFN is a good thing..... keep us posted on how you go.

Hi, well I caved in and bought a test, but Un-clear-blue was awful DH and I trying to figure out if the smudge inthe middle was a line or not.
I went back out and spent yet more on a pregancy text for dummies - one that actually has it in writing for those of us that cannot tell the diff between a plus and a minus sign

Anyway - POAS this morning and BFN :(

tonight and work drinks tomorrow - seriously - who organises work drinks on a Monday night?

Anyway may see doc next week as its too annoying

Hello too all - worn your 12 year olds in a tent would be enough to drive anyone to a glass of !!

Wellie hope I catch up with you soon, we are looking forward to SWI this month and hope it works this time...

oh emma how annoying re, good work on the drinking though, I hand over the lush crown into your temporary custody!

wombat I can't believe you are 15+3 already although I'm sure it's gone a lot slower for you. It's awful all this mentalling isn't it? If you think a machine will make you feel better you should go for it although you are right that it could send you into a proper mental if you can't detect it one day. I hope the replacement dr treats you well, do you have any other options if you are unhappy? What a bummer the good dr injured herself. Re the scan, I'm only away for a week.......the thing is I'm going to have to make up a big story to explain the not drinking so am going to research stomach ulcers......! So when I get back I'll be about 7+2 so I might have a scan at the end of that week at exactly 8 weeks. Will def be a very very stressful day. I haven't really got any symptoms at all apart from slightly sore boobs and wind. I'm just trying not to think about it and focusing on the 8 week point and if I get past that will start to think that it might be a bit more real.

Thanks for the swelling stories, it just seems so odd to have such bloating at 5 weeks.......but a lot of it is gas...I tried looking for long tops today but with my bloaty tum it just made things worse and I really looked about 6 months gone! It is partly because I've got such short legs that with a long top there isn't much leg sticking out the bottom, I think that it would work better with someone with long, thin legs.

marathon sorry that the epu was so unhelpful but I guess they just don't know either. It really does seem to be a WTF with everyone being different after mc. I do recommend acupuncture.....I think it has helped me.

worm wow, that's a lot of 12 year olds, sounds like a definite wine situation. How did you get on not drinking at the bbq? I think me and DP did quite well with regularly swapping glasses and so it looked like mine was going down. In a mingling situation like that it is so much easier than at a sit down meal, nobody is really that interested in monitoring other people's drinking. My Mum is very beady though so I'm wondering if she noticed anything.....I can see it's worrying with the sickness calming down but it might well be back next week or it could just be a new stage....this whole pg is a total stress situation isn't it? So are you 8 weeks now or nearer 9?

star where do you think you are up to? What was the date of your LMP? I guess we are at a similar place give or take a few days? My LMP was 29th April, I think that makes me 5+3 but I'm not sure. Glad I'm not alone with my swelling issues! This is my 3rd pg but all have resulted in fairly early mc so not sure what my excuse is....

Hi wellie well done for the you can share the crown with emma!

Mrsb33 how are you? how's the 2ww treating you? Are you really not drinking? I've never stopped until i get a bfp.........but I guess I am very attached to my alcohol.....I have some non alcoholic beer which isn't too bad but all non alcoholic wine is DISGUSTING!

harassed how are you settling into your new pad?

sparkly yoooo hoooo sparkly where are yooooouuu?

So random question for you all......do you think anti-mosquito stuff would be bad to use on my holiday next week? I mean the plug in wall think and the other stuff you can put on your skin to repel. The reason I'm concerned is because it is a kind of poison isn't it? Does anyone have any knowledge? I always get bitten even if I am covered in poison so don't really want to do without........

Waves to everyone else.......

Hi Yellow found this online - I used deet before though
In order to minimize exposure, always use a product with the lowest concentration of DEET needed for your protection. Products containing higher levels of DEET last longer but don't provide greater protection. When possible, apply the pesticide to your clothing rather than directly to your skin.

HIC - the wines good this evening :)

Yellow - we used mozzie patches from JoJo Maman Bebe. They're natural and you stick them near your bed or on your clothes. They seemed to work for us. They can be used with babies so I assume they're ok for preggers ladies. I think other places do "natural" repellents too so have a look around.

We sware by avons skin so soft, it's not actually a mossie deterent officially, but the S.A.S use it for that purpose and DH got issued it when he was working nights in midgeland. May be too late to get it though.....

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Oooh worm - does your DH come into contact much with yellow - what with him being issued with SAS stuff and her being in MI5 or maybe MI6, I couldn't help but wonder!

V sorry to hear about the BFN emma - what a shame. Good luck for when you see the doc - at least you might start getting some answers - it must be v frustrating for you and DH. Looking forward to lovely drunken posts from you and wellie now that yellow has deemed you worthy enough for the lush crown

Thanks for your thoughts yellow - it actually ended up in a bit of a meltdown last night.... I went to yoga and during the resting moments, found I was really teary. Got home and sobbed a bit on DH's shoulder - there is absolutely nothing to point towards me not being pg (no cramps or bleeding) but I just feel so un-pg and also guilty as I haven't been bonding with my bump and really reluctant to tell people and still feel a fraud when I do so. I could have sworn my bump was non-existent this morning. No logic or reasoning. Spoke to the m/w yesterday and agreed to go to bad memories hospital but have put a call in to her again this morning to ask for the earliest possible scan wherever it is, to give me some reassurance. It's probably hormones but I do seem to be a bit of a negative mess at the moment.....

Hey wombat I was compelled to turn on my home computer as this early hour and reply to you and give you support you poor thing. I'm so sorry to hear about the meltdown......are you feeling any better today? It could be partly pg hormones making you feel emotional? And as you've had your fingers burnt a couple of times it is totally understandable to want to 'protect' yourself a bit whether consciously or unconsciously. I think that in the stage that you are at (although I'm no expert) you should be feeling very well and full of energy....I think it's meant to be the 'best' part in so far as you feel sick and can't tell anyone for 3 months and the last 3 months are uncomfortable and you can't move.........or something. Anyway, come over here and have a big hug and you can snuffle on my shoulder......

Thanks for the mossie advice, I ordered some 'skin so soft' online so let's hope it arrives in time....it said 3-5 days and we are leaving a week tomorrow so should be ok.......also I've heard that indep chemists do some natural mossie thing call mossie something or other so I might check that out too.

emma good work on the sunday night drinking, I'm very proud.

In other news, I've had my first hint of sickness this morning. It's more of a gag reflex feeling rather than actually feeling sick. Started when I cleaned my teeth and was nearly sick and now I can imagine being able to swallow my pregnacare even thought I've been taking it now problem for 3 years! Does that sound like something you guys have experienced? I kind of feel like being sick and have to keep swallowing although I don't actually feel nauseous.......

right must go, take care wombat hope you get a scan soon

Hi yellow and thanks so much for your lovely message and hug and snuffle - hope I didn't leave too much snot on your shoulder . I think a lot of it is down to these wretched pg hormones as I'm usually a pretty positive person and the only other time I felt like this was post ERPC. And yes, unconscious protection could well be it as well. I do feel very well - a bit tired, but I thnk that's the interrupted sleep - in some ways, I think I'd prefer some sickness!

Midwife just called back about 15 mins ago and she said I could go for a scan with the lovely place where we had the 12 week scan as soon as I could. She's emailing me the referral and I have just called them and the earliest is 4pm on Thursday, but at least I have something to aim for and in the mean time, will keep myself as busy as poss to stave off the mentalling. Knowing I definitely have it booked in is making me feel better as well.

And in other news, deeeeelighted to hear about your hint of sickness - I definitely had the swallowing thing to stop me feeling like I wanted to be sick. My nausea tended to kick in around 6pm but was only ever sick once and that was after eating a whole kiwi fruit (skin and all) because a couple of mners recommended it for constipation - never again!!

So for those of you who have felt sick in the morning, what breakfast items are easiest to eat? Feeling quite sick now and I am regretting the prunes!

Hurrah for the scan and feeling better wombat must go , at work

Wombat honey, come and nustle I'm not sure about bonding at 15 weeks, the mums might be able to shed some more light on that, but don't feel bad about it. I'm coming up to 13 weeks and at the moment can't believe there is something alive inside there , for me the bonding might come when I feel kicks or something but I'm not at the piping Mozart up the fanjo stage just yet
Yoga always made me feel quite overwhelmed and teary during the resty bits, and I never even did it properly. The hormones are all over aren't they - I left my scan photos at my sister's on Saturday and was really choked up and teary until I got them back and I blubbed at Dr Who when the baby was taken away.
A lack of bump wouldn't indicate there was something wrong, it's always flatter in the morning - baby and fluid and trapped wind are all still in there somewhere! You probably fart a lot in your sleep
Oh, this is probably all most unhelpful; be calm, this is just a wobble. Not long til Thursday x
I can't believe you ate a kiwi skin by the way, how challenging!
Hey Yellow, glad you are having some symptoms. I find a sugary tea and a ginger nut first thing help balance my blood sugar levels (or send them rocketing, who knows), and then some white toast and butter is good. As you can see, I'm really ensuring those valuable nutrients get through! I'm far worse in the evening though, but have not been physically sick.
The SAS use Avon Skin So Soft? Our brave, silky-skinned boys....

Morning!

I'm sooo tired, and that makes the sickness worse . Dd woke up last for the first time in aaages. I was shattered and dh was keeping me awake so thought it would be a good idea to pop her in our bed and have lovely cuddles. Stupid me!!! She wriggled and wriggled until dh and I were both wide awake and then she zonked out..... So I've only dozed since 3.30am....

Yellow I'm on cornflakes with milk and sugar at the moment. Have you tried those breakfast biscuits? I found they were good to keep on my bedside table to eat before I got out of bed when it was really bad. Now I'm addicted to apples before breakfast! I also swear by the Skin So Soft for mossies. Used it in the Dominican and didn't get bitten once, unlike some people (dh) that wouldn't use "girly" stuff!

Wombat I think it's perfectly normal to feel how you do. You're at that point now where the hormones are settling, but not looking hugely preg and prob too early for movements to be felt as it's your first. I'm glad you've got a scan booked, it's something as you say! Have you posted on the Freak Out thread? I know some of the girls have dopplers. I was talking to a friend last night and she had two mc's and now has a beautiful baby girl, and she had a doppler and found it invaluable. Have some ((()))'s.....

Emma sorry about the bfn, could it be too early to test??

Worm & Wellie moving was rubbish!!! Luckily dh wouldn't let me lift anything except feather light items bless him. We have had a two seater and three seater sofas. The three seater only just went in when we moved in, and got stuck coming out.... so dh had to chop it up and bin it! So we're now trying to decide what to buy.... Only moved two mins away from old house, but it's made such a difference. The old house was big and roomy downstairs (single storey extension) but with lots of un-useable and wasted space, whereas here the downstairs is smaller but the bedrooms are huge and it's a 3 storey house so we're at the top and have a huge bedroom, dressing room and large shower room It just works better!

I'm in full mentalling mode for my scan on Friday. Am 11 weeks today according to last scan...... very scary and didn't make it this far on either of the last two prgs. Double scary.....

Aw thank ladies - you're the best. You did make me laugh with the fanjomozartpipe sparkly and yes, I can't believe I ate a kiwi skin either - do you think it's actually a wind-up?! Mind you, I'll be avoiding the German bean sprouts from now on! Thanks to you too harassed for posting despite your sickness, tiredness and upcoming scan - 11 weeks is great and hope you can keep yourself busy til Friday. I haven't posted on the freak out thread, even though it would be the more appropriate place to do so - I just feel that you ladies know me so much better and have all the right things to say so thank you all for proving me right .

For my afternoon nausea yellow - I found white toast with butter and vegemite did the trick. Seems to be turning into a regular afternoon treat now though . In the nicest possible way, I do hope the sickness continues, but that you do find something to alleviate it. Am I right in saying that you didn't get this with last 2 pgs?

Waves to all and big squishy hugs too - you are THE best xx