Ancient Egypt; where the regal BESH barge floats gently in De Nile.

[owlboots]

Glittering seductively in the evening sun, crewed by swarthy slaves, waited on hand and foot by bare-chested manservants bearing a rudimentary form of gin.

We have golden temples decorated with hieroglyphs for sacrificial offerings (and woo from the soothsayers) if required, and The Pit is full of asses? milk.

So, put on your eye make-up that goes out as far as your ears and jewellery so weighty it leaves dents in your head and step out to survey the peasants on the banks.

Come join the 30s TTC if your womble is as ancient and crumbly as Tutankhamen! Egypt; the thread where everyone eventually gets to be a mummy whether they like it or not.

I don't know why, but it genuinely matters to me that Ski (and everyone, but largely Ski) understands that I wasn't being some bleating needy cow going to the NHS because I wasn't diffed just by looking at the OM's cock. I was geniunely freaked out when I was sent for fertility tests, as the older BESHes will remember.

I don't care that I sound sentimental. It just goes to show that the BESHes I've been hanging out with mean something to me, and that it's important to me that they understand, and don't think badly of me for the wrong reason .

Tant pis.

HB FWIW I don't think badly of you for any reason. I feel sad, I liked all of you and will miss all of you.

Well said, Cass. I would love it if everyone stayed and at least hope you might all pop in every now and then just to say Hi. Understand reasons though and that is fine. I am staying because I am afraid I would terrify my real life friends with talk of my cervical emissions or how many times I had sex last week. Or how I can't stop weeing on things recreationally. But please let's gi'or with the squabbling, not helpful to anyone.

Truff I suspect you may not have ovveed yesterday if temps haven't gone up much. can you share your chart, please? Plz to put in first temp you took this morning. Do the deed tonight as will make you feel better if nothing else. And I got pregnant from a SWI two days before last time. And when I had MiniG got pg from a shag on about day 8 when earliest I could poss have ovved is day 14 so go figure (didn't chart then).

And HB of course I don't think badly of you, my darling. You'll always be a beautiful, kind person who helped pull me out of a very dark place with sympathy and good humour. And that goes for the rest of the defectors. Much love to you all.

Bangers I think badly of you, because you've never once offered to show me OM's cock. Or as I like to think of it, his 26 inch expandable ratcheting nightstick/baton/truncheon.

this is a nice fred and I am planing on pinching quite a lot of it for use in many situations where a sense of perspective is needed.

HB I can't look at a ramekin without giggling and thinking of your big burly (making assumptions there) policeman husband being precious about souffles. Also, for information WIAR has become common parlance on some conception freds which I like to think was a joint effort

I feel sick after eating left over pizza for lunch, diffed or greedy? It was an obscene amount quite a big slice.

Waves palm fronds frantically, trying not to spill ice cold gin

vv pleased to hear of BFP for Gin

ooooh bluey thought of yoghurt aroma just made me retch! Here I go again, psyching myself into "symptoms"! How exciting....

Glad you came back!

is luck catching?

Right, you lot. I'm back but only briefly. I needed a bit of time to calm down because things like this tend to make me cross.

1. If nobody new was welcome then it would have been helpful, when I politely asked if it was okay if I joined the thread many moons ago, for someone with some balls to actually say 'no, sorry.'.

1. Had this happened, I would not now feel like I was actually never welcome in the first place and thus would not be cross about it.

1. Should the founder members decide to start another thread of their own, may I suggest they actually label it sensibly as 30 TTC who have no children and have been trying for ages and no new people are welcome, rather than relying on people to take note of an acronym - for example you don't ever find anyone who hasn't miscarried on the miscarried and trying again thread. This might save you the trouble of passive-aggressive flouncing later down the line.

1. Interestingly enough though, all of this ridiculousness has made me realise that MN generally is not the best place for me - I think it's actually making me more depressed about TTC than I already was, and that was pretty damn depressed. So I'm off. It's just an internet thread, at the end of the day. If I ever do get a baybee that doesn't inconveniently fall out, I might come back and find out what the fuck to do with it after it's arrived.

Sorry, to those who are blameless. Ignore the venting.

Good luck Owl. Sorry to see you go, hope everything works out for you.

Owly I hope you will come back when all the dust has settled. Things like this always happens on long running internet threads/fora, particularly TTC ones, but normal service will be resumed before long.

I've liked having you to chat to, and hope you'll be back after a bit of a breather. I'm sure none of the older members meant it to come across as no one was welcome, just that they weren't getting so much out of the thread anymore. If you come back, I promise to dress up as Mumra the Everliving for you.

Owl It's a bloody good thread - particularly the terrible mummy pun - and I think it's sad that you're going.

If you do pop back and read, it wasn't the thread or even a deliberate mass flounce, I think - just lots of people coming to the same conclusion as you, that MN was making them crazy and that they needed some time out. Best of British to you.

HB there is nothing in this world that could make me think badly of you.

Owlie I hope you come back. This thread as I said before has been a lifeline. That said the TTC mallarkey is a nightmare of HOOGE proportions & I think we've all benefitted from time out every so often. I hope like many a good BESH before you, you have some time out but definitely come back. There's a tankard behind the bar with your name on it.

owlie

Those are wise words barbiesbox.

owlie I will cease my plaintive hoots across the ether but hope that you will return. I need to be here to talk about TTC because I have no one in RL who is that keen to hear about FFJ, mysterious symptoms and just understand what it feels like to hit your thirties having made the absolute most of your twenties but can now hear the booming tick of their biological clocks. If I wasn't able to talk about it here I would turn into a crazy cat lady tomorrow and force kitten to be even more of a baby substitute than he already is.

Also aside from being a blondie I am the image of rachel weis (well on a rare thin day at least) and in the event of your return will re-enact the steamier scenes from the mummy films with you. I don't actually see how you can resist that offer. If not, good luck and upon the event of your diffment please let us know.

For the avoidance of doubt, I was referring to:

"I will also get told off for this too - but, there have been a handful of women who've been hurt & upset for not "winning" yet are not doing the sechs. You can't pass your driving test if you don't get in the car... Also, IM(probably wrong)O - you can't say you've been TTC for x years if you've only done the sechs 4 months! It's also (IMWO) a piss-take on the NHS."

It sounded like you very much knew who you were referring to actually... And yet you actually had NO IDEA of the situation and decided to comment and judge on it.

Not Cool.

banger - tbh I didn't even know you'd been to the docs to ask about possible investigations/treatments. I'm sorry you felt I was having a dig at you when I wasn't.

MrsFC - I was not referring to HB - I am not going to "name names" - but there have been cases on mn on TTC of people who are not having sex.

I believe the NHS can be abused.

You are of course welcome to your own opinion.

Continuing to scrap on a thread where feelings are already running very high is getting beyond now! I am switching off until tomorrow morning by which time I sincerely hope things have calmed down as I fear I am in danger of losing my bolt-hole.

If this raises more ire, then private message me. This is supposed to be a supportive place.

Fairy Muff Ski . Fanks and all.

I actually don't care who you were referring to ski. It was still inappropriate. (And from my posts in the Deli member you should know that I am one of the staunchest supporters of the NHS & have always been proud to say so.)

However - I should not be bringing this up here - this is not my thread and I have no place here. I apologise to the lovely BESHes, old and new for adding to the disharmony. I was a true BESH with my own catalogue of disappointment before my win, and I truly wish all of you happiness. I'm so sorry for bringing my fight here and now I am off back to the Deli.

Pliz to not shout at eachother anymore? I'm actually in the middle of some self-inflicted mekulling here and would appreciate a place to talk about it and receive useful advice

For the record, I'm not thinking badly of anyone, rejecting new joiners or anything like that but (see above) having my own little metal going on, for a change.

LadyG here's my chart and have realised now I've put the temp in that it is actually about the same level of spike as last month so maybe yesterday was OV day, in which case Monday wouldn't be too bad. You know from other thread that I was disappointed about timing everything to perfection last month and still no win. Am determined to be more chilled this month, so let's see how long that lasts

Truff I'd say you ovved yesterday as long as your temps stay up tomorrow, next day. Which means FF will award you a little Good badge for appropriate nookie timing . I conceived weith such a shagging pattern last time. Do a shag tonight just in case, then sit back with a large G&T and await some quality menkul.

I've started eyeing up the wee sticks. Pliz will a friendly BESH come round my house and let me grope them hide them from me?

Thanks Lady that's what I think really, but was convinced we hadn't Done Enough Sechs. I shall indeed be shagging for fun this evening, just to make myself feel better and as it's Friday tomorrow, may indeed indulge in a large V&T. Am also looking forward to my 'good work' sticker from FF in a few days time

We're going to Ireland for a long weekend the weekend after next, which will be at about the time FF is telling me to test. I'm considering putting the POAS action off until the Monday morning so I can drink loads of Guinness deal with the outcome in the peace of my own home, without having to spend the next 4 days with my outlaws. Either result, I think I might struggle in such close contact all weekend.