Ancient Egypt; where the regal BESH barge floats gently in De Nile.

[owlboots]

Glittering seductively in the evening sun, crewed by swarthy slaves, waited on hand and foot by bare-chested manservants bearing a rudimentary form of gin.

We have golden temples decorated with hieroglyphs for sacrificial offerings (and woo from the soothsayers) if required, and The Pit is full of asses? milk.

So, put on your eye make-up that goes out as far as your ears and jewellery so weighty it leaves dents in your head and step out to survey the peasants on the banks.

Come join the 30s TTC if your womble is as ancient and crumbly as Tutankhamen! Egypt; the thread where everyone eventually gets to be a mummy whether they like it or not.

HB Yes it is a reflection on the newer folk, as we are the ones who have changed it from what it was.

I am so very sorry.

rocket are you in a union? Cos I think making someone redundant while diffed is frowned upon if not illegal? Think I saw something about this on the legal freds, will have a quick look for you. That's what I am banking on with my stupid short term contracts anyway....

ginfox (you DBH you) I am a not sure about ancient egyptian cocktails but when I was there in June I drank a lot of mojitos. And cosmopolitans. And lager. I also bought one of <a class="break-all" href="http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=www.bazalto.com/auction/images/min-b-2.jpg&imgrefurl=picclick.com/MIN-Egyptian-god-of-sexuality-140442306327.html&usg=__En7nnK7MpWuaQ1ONEywO2IBTpFk=&h=711&w=400&sz=9&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=jqbcbxj83cOW9M:&tbnh=148&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dancient%2Begyptian%2Bfertility%2Bgod%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1276%26bih%3D604%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=500&ei=7_baTP_KM4X34AaQruCpCQ&oei=7_baTP_KM4X34AaQruCpCQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0&tx=69&ty=77" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">these while there as was told it is ancient fertility god. It now lives behind the head board where I hope it is casting mystical powers but not putting FDH off.

<a class="break-all" href="http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=farm1.static.flickr.com/9/17269531_97e7b96a48.jpg&imgrefurl=heritage-key.com/category/tags/ancient-egyptian-dances&usg=__LmOBCP1RPQ-j2cyaPYWzwpWC7ZY=&h=333&w=500&sz=36&hl=en&start=134&zoom=1&tbnid=gYmVG4yjG9yC7M:&tbnh=145&tbnw=175&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dancient%2Begyptian%2Bwomen%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1276%26bih%3D604%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C2951&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=119&vpy=251&dur=156&hovh=183&hovw=275&tx=158&ty=111&ei=l_faTKfHJYiucP-10cMG&oei=ZvfaTOSGEdT94AbglPCSCQ&esq=7&page=7&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:134&biw=1276&bih=604" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this is me by the way - must avoid doing to mainy twirls, falling off the barge and getting eaten by a crocodile.

I'm still a baby-free zone, that hasn't changed. However I can definitely live without internet politics; life is difficult enough.

oh no this has made me feel sad :( I'm a newbie too and I have found this thread to be a really great place, mostly because of the wise words and humour of the old timers.

Owl this is nothing to do with politics. The Palais is not what I need at the moment. This is not your fault.

Pliz to not let my stroppy-pants affect you!

Oh Owly Don't you go too. I had bucketloads of pain on my ttc journey last time and I am not going to lay it all here to prove my BESH credentials.

However, I can also understand that an influx of many newbies taking over could cause hurt - particularly when this was a place older BESHes, who had spent time getting to know one another, felt safe.

Is there no turing back from this decision Aries, HB, Salty and Lyra?

No-one here has intentionally caused any pain to any of you - and I feel that I was still getting to know you all, and yes, worrying about you as you all did about each other before I found this thread.

Is it me and my cross posting? Spent so long looking for links that missed most of this.

rocket I was wrong about the legal stuff I'm sorry but this link may be useful. The advice I had from my union (ever pre-emptive) was that if there is any suggestion that your redundancy is pregnancy based you would have a claim.

all the BESHS really didn't mean to post that horrible article and made light of it due to feeling mortified. Now feel a bit paranoid!

Am really sorry guys - think it was me having 2 sprogs already. Getting them wasn't easy and TTC this time is taking a long time and could do with some support, but I didn't mean to be insensitive to people who have been together on a thread for a long time.

Please come back

Bitey Please to not being paranoid. Be evil and selfish - and stay put :o

Ditto thebigblue

You have done nothing wrong. Stay put.

Right well I am staying I like it here. I love the new thread too thanks owlie
I am decorating my pyramid with hieroglyphs of the Clear Blue goddess of fertility and giving sacrificial offerings (of fmu) at her porcelain altar every morning. If I do not get my swi when requested I will be getting the asp out!

A lot of the older BESHes have thankfully moved on to become PESHes or FESHes. I can understand that it is hard to be on a thread and see the people you got to know move on and be left behind. I've not been on MN long enough to experience that yet, only really posted much when I lost the baby, hadn't discovered the forums much till then.

salty I wish you everything good if you are indeed leaving. Can understand that this might not be what you need at the moment. I hope that when you have the good news you will come back and share it with us.

Thanks Princess. May wait to see what the morning brings, but don't want to be a cause of people ditching ship.

And Bitey don't think you have anything to be paranoid about. Man in bra - funny. Connection to Guantanamo - unfortunate, but not intended and would not have realised if you hadn't pointed it out. Any anyway, it meant I saw a manbra thing.

Owlie - apparently Angelina Jolie is in a new Cleo film, but if <a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=www.theshiznit.co.uk/media/News/cleopatra-art.jpg&imgrefurl=www.theshiznit.co.uk/news/okay-hollywood-ill-go-see-your-angelina-jolie-cleopatra-movie.php&usg=__naWtUnP5aR4x9ez0sMjdz_aNWvY=&h=300&w=400&sz=48&hl=en&start=73&zoom=1&tbnid=iSgryMLNiNDp_M:&tbnh=122&tbnw=163&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcleopatra%2Bmark%2Banthony%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D955%26tbs%3Disch:10,961&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=126&vpy=660&dur=712&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=207&ty=103&ei=0_baTL_0NsPChAfElIX_Dw&oei=sfbaTKb5Hcy4hAepx6H_Dw&esq=2&page=2&ndsp=74&ved=1t:429,r:25,s:73&biw=1920&bih=955" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this is anything to go by, not my idea of a quality Mark Anthony.

Ok i feel a bit responsible too as I probably shouldn't have been posting on here as much as I have been since I got diffed. :( For that I apologise and will rein it in. Having said that this is a public forum and people can choose to post or not, you can't make people stick around if they don't feel it is helping them at the moment. I don't think anyone should get too paranoid about it really. If the so called 'newbies' are getting comfort from each other then thats in the spirit of the original BESH if I have read anything correctly in the last 6 months. Besides it's not like it has to be a permanent exit surely?

salts I hope this is because you are so massively zen and combatting the menkul so successfully you no longer need us. Loads of luck with TTC, hope it happens for you very soon, ditto to lyra and HB

bitey thanks for the advice but I was on a temp contract of my own choosing as I wanted part time, they offered me f/t permanent about 6 months ago which I turned down, so i really haven't got a leg to stand on, also hoping to leave on good terms as likely I will get work from them in future so I certainly don't want to take legal action. Onwards and upwards.

Just read that back and it seems a bit dismissive of HB and Lyra which it certainly wasn't meant to be. The 3 of you have been a massive help to me over the time I have been posting on here. For that, big love, respect and thanks. (even tho I guess you prob won't read it)

Nuff now, salads. :(

Everyone who's enjoying themselves: please don't go. Stay and have fun. From my point of view, I shall echo what someone wiser than I has said. This is that when you have been here a l-o-n-g time and don't seem to be getting anywhere and when everyone who started out with you has moved on and won their baybees it starts to feel like you have been left behind in a strange class. And no matter how nice and funny and friendly all who are currently in that class is, it's not your class. And it starts to make you very mizz. That's the best way I can think of saying it. So Bitey, Owly, Kat, Boo, Blue and all the rest please don't think this is a mass huff. Stay. Please.

Right well I have decided to replace the Egyptian milk bath with a grapefruit bath. Yuck! At least if I bathe in it it might have a better chance of getting somewhere near the totally absent FFJs. Remember when I wasn't ttc and had 3 days of the stuff. Oh to be 25 again......

A young un at work appears to be diffed (not said anything but mega nausea and time off and drinking ginger shit etc etc). But when I was her age I hadn't met the right partner for the baybee. When I think of the brilliant and wonderful man I have now, I'm glad I waited till my 30s. Even though I'm 32 (and a half) and still waiting for a baby. I wouldn't have really wanted one with any of my 20s boyfriends. I'm trying to remind myself of this every time I think it is my fault for not doing this earlier.

grrr meaninful wine fuelled shit over. Back to imagining the slaves oiling me with someone fanning and plying me with egyptian cocktails. Much better!

Aries At the risk of sounding like an arse, I really liked you (and who else loves Lucas (may he rest in peace) as much as I do?

There is also the feeling that we have squatted a building that wasn't ours to take - is a BESH thread valid if none of the original BESHes aren't there? Or should we start a new thread for newbies and leave you originals with the name and the relationships you built?

I would be happy with either - but what I prefer is some dialogue, and I am grateful for your post.

Please to give us newbies a chance to share the pain and joy of ttc with you equally wise and funny ladies.

Am not going to beg any more, it's not dignified.

Will message you lovely Boo. xx

all this politics happened on the miscarriage thread about a month ago. The thread is still going strong, some have stayed, some have left, there are a couple of splinter groups but they don't have so many posts as the mother thread. People come and go on internet forums. I understand what people are saying. Lets leave it at that? If you want to go, everyone wishes you all the best and we hope you will come back and update us sometime. If you want to stay - fantastic - we love having you here :) No need for people to feel guilty, we all have the right to be here and we all have the right to go if we want to.

One last thing. Kat - it's not politics. OK?

Kat, please acknowledge you understand that this is not about politics. I am actually very affronted that after some heartfelt explanations from Aries in particular you could be so dismissive.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say the wrong thing. Politics definitely the wrong word, was just repeating it after others had said it I suppose. I do understand people have their own reasons for whatever they choose to do. Definitely did not mean to be dismissive at all. Very sorry if I sounded that way, it was not at all intentional. I do entirely understand Aries's point of view. Never intended to cause any offense and am incredibly sorry if I did.

:) Cheers Kat. Good luck to you.

It's ok Kat. Things never come across quite right on the internet. And it's very difficult for us to convey the depth of affection and trust that has built up on this thread over the months/years.

Have had a lovely message from Aries.

Am sticking around because I have been told to. But I am a bit sad, so I'm going for a cuppa and a green fag, and I am going to send lovely updiffing vibes to all you lovely old BESHes whilst doing so :(