Charters Anonymous : Volume 2

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Volume 2 starts here ladies!

Scan confirmed complete miscarriage. Should only be a few more days of bleeding.

I have to wait for 2 cycles before they'll test for clotting and chromosomal abnormalities. I've been told Aspirin can't hurt - so I could take that next time I get pregnant if we choose to continue.

Am going to speak to their miscarriage counsellor, make sure I'm emotionally ready to ttc again. Not expecting my next egg to turn up anytime soon so might as well do something.

Will book acupuncture again, see if that can rebalance my hormones as effectively as it did last time.

We probably will keep ttc regardless of tests as if I do have a clotting problem then the aspirin might help. If it's a chromosome thing then it is literally down to chance and nothing can prevent a mc if it's going to happen. And unless our chances are low (ie ds is our 1 in 100 successful shot already notched up) then I would probably want to give it a few more goes as long as it's physically ok to do so.

So, here's to fourth time lucky!

Oh digi, I'm so sorry hon. I know in some way it must be a relief it's complete and you won't need the erpc but it doesn't make it any less devastating. I really hope asprin is the answer, I'm not sure what dosage it should be but there's bound to be someone who knows. I hope you get the rest you need and just know that we're here if you need us.

Lots of love xxx

digi - I am pleased that its all complete for you but sad that it has ended this way.Maybe we can jog along together - me for 3rd time lucky and you for 4th ??xx I have already decided that once the Dr refers me on Thurday it is not going to stop me TTC. A referal could take ages and I just feel like I can't wait that long (work stuff - up against time etc).

terrys glad you got those crossed hairs :) fx this might your month.

split how are you :) - if it helps - write down lots of questions for your dr tomorrow so you can some away with peace of mind xx

Well I have been at work today for 4 hours or so and I am knackered. My boss is really good, so I am on less hours this week.

TMI - I feel like my body is gearing up for something - feeling of a bit of goo - and more CM today so I hope things might work out for when Mother Goose ( AKA DP)is home at the weekend.

Sorry to name check more - but am really very tired xxx

Battery and mouse we can all hold each others hands and walk along in a line that takes up the whole pavement.

I have done what any woman does in a time of TTC crisis. I have just placed a bulk order on Amazon for Operation 'Get Over the Last MC By Getting PG Again':

Miscarriage: What Every Woman Needs to Know by Lesley Regan
2 x CB digis
15 x Ultra Early HPT strips
2 x bottles of Pregnacare conception

Am foregoing the opks this time as it's too depressing poas everyday waiting for that second line.

TBH I am still feeling very raw about it all at the moment. But I think that by the time ovulation rolls around I'll be ready to go. DH seems to be on board. And hopefully some sessions with a counsellor will help me work through how I deal with another pregnancy. Am fully expecting to end up having the tests as I'm not particularly hyper-fertile. Took 4 eggs last time which was 3 post-mc cycles but actually 6 months between MC and BFP.

Tomorrow I'm going to go for a very short run and hope that helps lift the depression.

Sorry long rambling post:-

spilt I agree that they should not tell you stuff like that over the phone. As you probably know I was diagnosed recently with an under-active thyroid (I started a different thread cos we kept hijacking this one and talking about it too much on here). What the receptionist said to me was that my doctor needed to see me about my results and then the doctor explained it all to me.

I know others have said it, but please don't blame yourself honey. You didn't know you had an under-active thyroid and it may not be the reason for your second trimester loss. But you are right to ask the doctor what he/she thinks. If she/he starts you on Thyroxine you'll know that things are more level for your next pregnany at least.

We all tend to blame ourselves or our bodies for these losses. I wonder if I am wrong to try for a baby at my age cos my eggs are all so bloody old and I blame that for the two losses I've had this year (rather than the thyroid thing).

But we are unfortunately under the control of mother nature. Bobbie loves you and your DH and knows that you did your best. Join us on the under-active thyroid thread if you would like to.

Lastly, how sweet that you remembered that i had 10 day LP's. They are about 11/12 now - so getting better. I got a warm fuzzy feeling when you mentioned me cos it's so nice that we all know each other so well.

digi I think the asprin is probably a good idea - can you check what dosage to take before you start - to be sure of doing the right thing.

Can't remember who said it first but YES that is so right - there is more Cm after a poo - how odd .

CD6 for me already, nearly time to get the old vest and shorts out (he must be getting a bit bored of my seduction technique by now .

Sad for you Digi but pleased it all happened naturally with no messing about with surgery etc.

I'm going for second time lucky too so will join you on road to a stickier bean. Impressed you're going for a run, I've not been since the mc.

Glad you got your egg Terrys. Still awaiting my egg - hopefully soon. Who knows where my hormones are though. Got acupuncture tomorrow.

digi crossed posts with you. That book is brillient. i read it in a day (not all of it is relevant). I felt so much more in control after I'd read it and I hope it helps you to feel the same way. 4 eggs isn't many you know - it's still pretty good. Although, I know it seems loads - I've just had my fourth period after the last MC and am getting a bit like - "How bloody long is this gonna take???"

So sorry you got confirmation of your mc digi and so sorry you have other issues to cope with as well. Life is sometimes very unfair. I have heard good things about aspirin, so at least it is something to do.
Not much else i can to be helpful apart from feel free to keep venting on here if it helps. Thinking of you.

I have a question ladies. My chart is here.
Today is CD17.
Since Sunday I have been getting EWCM but tiny amounts and only in the morning (not SWI related as got it yesterday morning too as we didn't SWI on Monday). All my OPK tests were -ve.
This is all normal, as I normally ov around day 18-20 and get small ampounts of EWCM before big blobs that arrive about 2 days before ov. Last month was a strange long cycle but I did get large amounts of EWCM and 2 +ve OPKs in the 2 days before ov.

So, i fully expected to ov on CD 18, 19 or 20 but thought 18 unlikely due to only small amounts of EWCM so far.
DP and I were shattered last night, so we didn't SWI. This morning my temp has gone up. Not by much but it takes it higher than normal. By complete chance, DD slept in today and i was able to persuade DP to SWI as soon as we woke up

But as I am a worrier, do you think this means I have ov and should I be worried at the lack of EWCM? As I'm 38, I stupidly tell myself it's the early menopause or my hormones are fading away (I know, i know, IABU).

Words of wisdom anyone?

Sorry, second post - another qn. Anyone using pre seed lubricant and if so, so you put it high up inside you before SWI?

TMI DP and i have been putting it inside and also on his willy but i did wonder should I be using a small plastic syringe to get it higher up inside.
Sorry for such a 'technical' question!

Thanks hippy, I had remembered you were one of the underactive thyroid folks. I'll have to see what the GP says tomorrow. I'll bring my results over to your thyroid thread for wisdom!

digi I am impressed by your shopping trip. I did just the same - 2 days after hospital I ordered a bulk pack of pg tests, OPKs, started folic acid and found my thermometer. We are not beaten yet!

MrsA, stop panicking! It looks like you may have ovulated yesterday though you need the next two temps to be more sure. From what I can gather (based on confessions on here!) very few of us have vast flows of EWCM that stretches 10 inches. Most of us are just a bit gooey and damp so you sound normal and some variation month to month sounds normal too. I haven't used preseed so can't comment on application technique

mrsA I was reading on another thread that pure grapefruit juice is very good for making egg white CM. Drink a glass a day it said (not concentrate).

ps. love the word Willy Haven't used it for ages! The word i mean!!!!

Arggh just wrote big post and it crashed!

Thanks for your telling off spilt I know I'm being a bit daft but it is so frustrating as for months my CM has been consistent - lots and lots 2 days before ov, so DP and I thought we had a few days ahead of us EWCM was such small amounts.
So we SWI Sunday and then took a break Mon/Tues. If only we'd known!
If I ov Tuesday, was this morning's shag useless re baby making then? Sunday's sperm would be no good by Tuesday

I'm annoyed at myself as I did detect some ov pain on Monday but dismissed it as too early.

DP was a star this morning. There was a real risk that DD would wake up any moment (and she's in her own bed so comes crashing in) - i just handed him the lubricant and told him to get on board, sod the foreplay . As i suspect it is me driving the TTC No2, he is being very good at being ordered around.

Oh, and I hate cock or dick words. Willy counds lovely to me.

MrsA Sunday would still give you a good chance. When I last got preg it was with a SWI two days before ov as DP was away, just the same as you.

I would say that sundays sperm could still be ok for tuesday and we always try to SWI the day after ovulation as well - just in case. So i'd say you were in with a chance still

It must be quite difficult for these poor men - we do expect them to achieve things under pressure - don't we!

I agree dick and cock are such harsh words. You still to your Willy, Mrs.

stick - not still

Willy?!? I prefer Love Stick.

PS - that was a joke!!!

I should hope so Terrys! Love stick indeed

And here is our new thread.

This one will fill in about another 6 posts. See you all on the other side!

Thanks for sorting Spilt. Hopefully going to be a happier place for us this time!

On that note my OPK has just gone positive meaning my cycle has returned to my normal 34/35 dayers. Shag, shag, shag! (Or should I say Make love, Make love, Make love). We did it last two nights so tonight and tomorrow and we should be in business (IF we can manage it!)

Come on over to the new shiny thread; until then:

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A Temporary Goodbye

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 'Wish me good luck, '

as I watch you leave again.
A promise to write,
maybe to call, if there's time.
And here I sit,
waiting,
wishing,
praying for your safe return.
Pigs could fly between now and then.
Hell could freeze over.
Armageddon could come and go.
But my heart won't beat steady time until you're back.

Amy Serhienko

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