Charters Anonymous : Volume 2

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Volume 2 starts here ladies!

:( for digi - was hoping it might still turn out right for you hon, thinking of you lots, try and take care of you and dh xxxx

mousebacon glad the ninja sperm made you

Ooh, good luck to those ladies who are egg-making. Whether that be making it wait, avoiding it or trying to catch it!

Went for a walk today to get some fresh air. I think it helped to get things moving and am now on red - which is good. Hopefully the scan will show most of it has gone on Tuesday.

Have mc#2 due date coming up at the end of Nov. Suppose I should think about making sure I'm doing something distracting.

x-post battery, I know it's over. I haven't felt pregnant for about 10 days (boobs and tummy are shrinking), the scan confirmed things weren't developing properly and then the cramping I got on Wednesday was just like early labour.

I've actually been ok today. It's just been DH, ds and I which has helped. And DS (2.2) has been delightful. He let me sleep in till nearly 9, ate a really good breakfast, had a nap while DH and I sat down for a hot chocolate, then fell asleep while watching X-factor (normally have to read him 20 bedtime stories before he'll let me turn the light off).

Tomorrow my Dsis and her new dp are coming over for a roast which my mum is cooking (she's a great cook). We'll watch XF and reminisce on last year (she got kicked out on the third live show). Just not looking forward to going back to work on Monday.

Can you not ring in sick for a few days pet? x

I only need to go in for a few hours. Just can't face everyone giving me that 'look', where they're all trying to be nice and then that makes me cry again. But I have to get it over with. Physically I'll be fine.

OK, at least it's just for a few hours. I just wish there was something I could say. Do you know what will happen in terms of tests etc if it is confirmed on tues? xx

So sorry, Digi, you're right. It's the waiting that is the worst when in your heart you know it is an inevitable outcome. You sound so incredibly strong but make sure you give yourself some time to grieve.

Will be thinking of you guys today and very [henvy]of the roast. xxx

digi so sorry for what you're going through Hope you enjoy your day with your family (btw - if your dsis is who I think she is, I loved her!)

I am a bit frustrated this am - I had OV pains yesterday - not really bad but like tiny little cramping pains, mainly in right side but sometimes in the middle, kind of behind my pubic bone IYSWIM. Does anyone else get these? Anyhoo, temp shot up this am but my phone automatically changed the clock so it was 50 mins later than usual time (thanks to DS waking) so not sure if its accurate?? [hhmm] What do you ladies think - [[http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/terrysno2
chart here]]??

I still have the same slight pains in right hand side also. Think we should SWI tonight?

I am also desperate for OV to happen as on CD16 and if cycle is 26 days like last time it won't be long enough LP if its much later, from my understanding.

Anyone else's DC not respect that clock change means an EXTRA hour in bed?!?!

btw - if you do look at my chart, ignore temps from until CD18 last time as dodgy thermometer (although still looks like there was a pattern albeit lower overall)

terrys possibly you've ovulated. But you won't know for a few days till you get three high temps in a row. I've heard that swi the day after ov is also a good idea so I'd keep going if you have the stamina!
(and yes, my dsis prob is who you think she is - cher's rapping is not a patch on my sis).

digi we are at about the same stage RE the work thing. My boss is ringing me tomorrow to see if I want to go back next week. (handily my boss is also my DR) I physically feel OK, emotionally though is another matter. You know that feeling when you are ok,- but the minute someone is kind to you - you might just start bawling? DP wants me to have another week off - but the longer I leave it to go back the harder it will be. I almost feel a bit panicy about it. But like you say -it's something you just have to do. RE the loss of symptoms etc I was the same - I was nearly 13 weeks but had lost my tummy, I had lost weight and my boobs were not sore either. But I havent been this far pregnant before so I didn't know what to expect.

It sounds though like you have a lovely day coming up though - I thnk I know who your sis is.... cue lots of googling :)

terry I am the same as you - I took my temp today when it should have been 6am but there was still a slight difference from my ususal, but FF didnt seem to care that much.

Hope everyone is ok, have a nice sunday xx

This is going to sound tragically gross but I think I've just passed the main part of the pregnancy. Debated whether or not to flush the toilet. Then did. What would i do with it? Feel a bit sick now.

I suppose at least the hcg should start dropping now. Both mc's I bled for about 10 days. So should be finishing next weekend. God, this is all so routine now.

battery I took a week off last time, but my mc started on a Sunday. My mum was with me all week to help with ds and felt fine by the end of the week. Part of me knows I probably still have to grieve more, but I find talking about it very helpful and posting on here really really cathartic.

Also I don't want to be defined by my mc. I want to keep going and know that it won't take over my thoughts forever. Have to carry on with life in order to do that. But that is me. If you need more time (and I would have definitely taken more time if I was further along) then you will know. If you feel at all panicky or unable to concentrate on anything at work then you probably need more time.

Maybe yesterday, Terrys. Just have to see what temps do.

Bettery I took about two and a half weeks off work with my mc. I started bleeding late Tuesday so took rest of that week off and mc'ed on the Sat and then off a couple of weeks - just couldn't face it. But the hardest thing was first day back, after that was ok.

Digi horrible you have to go through this again. Will they investigate what is going on now? I wonder whether if you can save anything, whether they will test it?

I am still in run up to ovulation I think. Haven't got the clear stuff yet and no pos OPK although cervix is now high, not yet open. Prob in next 3 or 4 days, on cd17 now.

Oh digi , I am so sorry, what a ghastly experience for you. Thinking of you every day and sending you lots of hugs. Keep talking with us if it's helping you.

Hi all. I'm sorry i haven't been on for ages. I kinda forgot to chart when i was off on my shag-fest in a caravan and haven't got back to it since.

i just came on cos I read spiltthetea's sad news on another thread and wanted to give her a big old hug (((_))) I was so very upset to read your account of your delivery of your little one.

Also i see that theteason (now mouse) also lost her little one.

Life can be a right old bitch sometimes can't it? It was just a few months ago that we had a flurry of BFP's on this thread and then a whole load of us have lost our dreams (I know mine was an early loss so was not as hard to take as those that lost later) but it's just so bloody sad that we didn't all get to go the distance.

I wish you all the very best with your continued efforts for babies and will try to keep up with you all. Much love to all. XXX

littlesilver - how are you doing me old mate - still popping in here?

When I say i haven't got back to it since - I do mean charting (I've been shagging of course .)

Sorry me again. digi I know exactly what you mean. I actually fished the sac out of the loo when I had my most recent loss. I stood there with it in my hand thinking, What am i doing with this? and then put it back in the loo. The things we go through! Just wanted you to know that nothing is gross and nothing is TMI and that others have been there. XX

Hi hippy and thank you. Life is indeed a bitch. I can't believe how many of our BFPs have now ended in tears

Hoping and praying that BUnder, BabyV, littlesilver, newyearsday, bessie and anyone else I've forgotten are getting bigger and bigger and will come and tell us about their babies in due course. We could all do with some good news.

Good luck with your efforts hippy, keep up the shag-fest

I am so so sorry for those who have had losses , I cannot even imagine how tough that must be and I do wish you all the best of luck with recovering and coming to terms with it and when/if you are ready, getting a BFP.

I am feeling very frustrated and disappointed today. I am finding this charting so difficult - my temps are everywhere, I never get a positive OPK, I have an abundance of EWCM all the time so can't tell from that either and since sat evening I have had varying cramps which I thought were OV but now all over the place (left / right / middle / all over)

I haven't been charting for long but I thought that by now I would have some clue as to what was happening.

Feeling very sorry for myself today and I feel even worse that I am not suffering anything as bad as a MC like some of you.

I don't know whether this stress is worth it??

Here is my chart

Yes spilt I'm really hoping to hear some good news from them too.

terrys poor love, it IS stressful when your temps seem to jump around all over the place. But this is still your first cycle of proper temping, so it's more about being able to look back at it when it's finished. I totally understand how frustrating it is, my last cycle FF was playing silly buggers with my ov date and I distinctly remember coming on here and complaining. It's what we're all here for. You still look like you're pre-ovulatory, but if you've had ewcm it might not be too long. If you get AF without a clear temp shift, then it might be time to get to the GPs and demand a progesterone test. This is done on day 21 of your cycle and is supposed to show a progesterone level that indicates you have already ovulated.
Would it help if you just wrote down your temp each day without comparing it and then filled in FF at the end of the week? Then you wouldn't be tempted to look at each daily change and try to decipher it.

hippy thank you for your well wishes. Hope the shagathon gets you your bfp soon. Sometimes a break from charting is what a girl needs. Although I can't see myself giving it up in the near future as I need to know where I am in my cycle or I end up wondering when the hell AF is supposed to turn up.

Aaw terrys you sound very low

Please don't feel bad about feeling down having not just had a MC. Misery is misery and it's no help to compare situations and tell ourselves how upset we are "allowed" to be.

It's up to you really whether you want to continue with the charting, don't feel you have to if it's stressing you out. If the OPKs are not working for you (not everyone gets on with them) then I would ditch them if I were you because it'll just be stressful and worrying not getting the positives.

Just wondering on the EWCM from - is there any possibility that you are confusing different fluids? I remember reading on FF (now this is going to be TMI...) that you produce cervical mucus, vaginal fluid and can contain semen. Apparently the vaginal fluid (aka arousal fluid) is watery and clear and produced when aroused to assist lubrication. And semen will probably still be there the following morning. So they reckon the best chance you have of assessing just CM is to do so before sex and before being at all turned on. Say if you SWI in the evenings, then checking CM in the afternoons is probably your best bet. Also you can "collect" CM direct from your cervix if you are brave enough to rummage.

Hmm, not sure I want to hit post now. That info is grotesque! What the heck...

Thanks guys! digi I don't have the willpower to not use FF for a week! But thanks for the info on the testing, I guess I have to be a bit more patient and wait out this cycle and if its not clear then I will see the GP.

Spilt I think its all TMI on here, thats why we tell each other online and not to face to face random strangers!! I always have to check from my cervix as not makes it further down but I will be a bit more careful with my EWCM investigation! Its almost always stretchy but varies between clear/cloudy and creamy. I don't check for about 24 hours after SWI as I don't want to dislodge it (not sure if that's taking this a bit too far!).

Actually today I am feeling really hormonal, like AF is due.

digi and hippy - had the same dilemma as you both... must have sat there for 10mins debating whether to try fishing it out or not (I couldn't see anything as the pan was just blood) Decided against it in the end as I a) didn't know what I would do with it & b) didn't think it would do me any good to see whatever there was to see. I think I made the right decision for me.

anyway.... I'm supposed to be bringing good news. I'm now 16wks & starting to get fat! We still haven't really told many people - part of me doesn't want to just in case I have to un-tell them IYKWIM. I'm also keeping myself very busy, I think so I don't have too much spare time to think about things too much. I had an early scan at 9wks to put my mind at rest & my midwife says I can go in to see her & hear the heartbeat as often as I need (do you think she'll mind when I turn up every morning? ). I also get some extra scans later on as DD arrived 6weeks early & there is a possibility that this one will do the same.

Terrys The cycle I got pg with DD, I did an OPK every morning & never got a positive... I ended up forking out for a CBFM this time round & found that much better for me (although bloddy expensive - did you know you can buy amazon vouchers with your nectar points??)
Your wobbly temps... I assume you're taking at the same time when you first wake up etc etc, have you considered vaginal temping? I only did it for one cycle, but found the temps to be much less wobbly - I think I must sometimes sleep with my mouth (but not my legs) open wide all night!
and ditto what spilt said about the semen/EWCM - you can drop it in some water to tell which is which, but I can never remember which way round it is. You look pre-o to me too - you got a lovely clear temp shift last cycle, so you should know when it happens - keep up the SWI until then!

Love to everyone else. Remember there's nothing wrong with a bit of grief, tears & soul-searching, but don't let it consume or define you. My acupuncture lady always told me babies need happy bodies to live in, so make sure yours is one of them ready for it to happen.
xx

bessie thanks for advice, will think about it all. FYI - last cycle wasn't correct as was using dodgy thermometer for first half so "lovely clear shift" was not real!