IMHO some people have gone completley batty

[RTKangaMummy]

IMHO some people have gone batty

Some of the mad ideas I have read on here in last couple of days

Bonkerz the lot of them

How they treat their nannies or au pairs

They work long hours for not much pay.

There are some very fair parents who are working hard AND treat their au pair with

RESPECT

KINDNESS

But others

who spend all their time finding something to moan about.........

Why can they not treat them the same way they would like their DD to be treated if she wanted to become an au pair?

Would they want their DD to work in same circumstances?

LOOKING AFTER CHILDREN IS THE MOST IMPORTANT JOB IN THE WORLD

THEY ARE OUR FUTURE

It is also the best job in the world and the most fun,

seeing their faces when they have completed a jigsaw puzzle

learnt how to build a tower with 3 bricks

Please remember to treat others as you would like to be treated

.......

Hate his new nose though

ks I think you have previous form with threads on Sting, iirc?

Is there anybody on here who doesn't realise that "what happens to children affects them in later life"????? Or not just on here, in the world????

I used to belong to THE POLICE fan club

Maybe our kids are all going to end up in therapy

RTK we know that what we do now affects them later - your point is what exactly????

Your original post included

'They work long hours for not much pay.' - and now you say it is NOT about money??? WTF

You mention later in this thread about 'boasting they don't pay them much' and 'only 20% of the household income'. I am sorry perhaps I am missunderstanding you, but both of those comments are about pay and conditions.

Like I said, you seem to equate a high salary for a childcare provider as menaing 'better quality' childcare.

Yes Uwila has moaned about her nanny (and she calls her a nanny, not an aupair, as she relaises this is the job she is doing) Usually about things the nanny is doing that she has categorically asked her NOT to do, (or asked her to do and she has not done) That is NOT showing disrespect of the job the nanny is doing, it is trying to understand WHAT EXACTLY the nanny has been doing with her child in order to ensure that the child gets the BEST POSSIBLE care. I always asked for a verbal report every day - as I am sure you give yor parents. Uwila asked for this, and didn't get it, so she asked for a written report - and didn't get it!! She asked her nanny to feed certain foods at certain times and the nanny refused and would not do as asked. Now if I did that at work and blantently refused to do what was required of me, I wouldn't be in a job too long

So you are suggesting that Uwila and others do not RESPECT their nannies/cm because they DON'T PAY THEM ENOUGH. This seems to be the basis of your argument.

I like to think that my kids are "tumbling up", like that family in ?David Copperfield.

Kanga, I do think you are largely preaching to the converted on this site.

Actually, why do people think that everyone needs to "earn" respect? Do you not feel that everyone should treat other people with a least a little politeness and kindness, if nothing more? Lots of people recently ahve been complaining about lack of respect in various situations - not being thanked, having people being rude to them, being spat upon; isn't this respect? Respect isn't about treating people with reverence; it's about doing as you would be done by, which I think is more the point Kanga is trying to make. I can't see where she has been making attacks on other posters, either; if certain posters hadn't taken it upon themselves to believe that she was talking about them and to state that she was talking about them, then I for one wouldn't have even suspected who she was talking about.

That said, I think it's probably time to stop now, Kanga, before anyone else gets their knickers in a knot. I love you to bits, you're one of the sweetest and kindest MNers I know, but this is getting out of hand now.

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PS sorry Uwila to use your name in this, but I think we all know who she is getting at

One thing about nanny vs au pair terminology. To us here, there is a clear distinction. But, and forgive me if I am speaking out of turn, Uwila, Americans often use au pair and nanny interchangeably - au pair being the live in, foreign variety.

I have several American friends here in the UK who talk about their au pairs - but in fact they are nannies and are being paid at the appropriate nanny rate - ie 4x the pay for 2x the hours of an au pair.

I think the reason some people are getting offended RTKM, is because if you state the bleedin' obvious (children are important and what happens to them affects them ? dur!), then it carries an implication that some people don?t appreciate/ understand that. And no amount of smiley faces and lemon squash can disguise that. This thread appears to me to be an attempt to have your cake and eat it. You want to criticise somebody (God knows who, I can't be arsed to try and work it out) for their attitudes, and then not have a ruck about it. That's simply not possible. Either you come out fighting or you keep quiet. But posting something which carries a controversial implication and potentially a criticism of some other Mumsnetters and then denying that there is any specificity in your posting, is more than a little disingenuous. Sorry, I don't particularly want a ruck with you, but this thread has been quite irritating to read because you want to make criticisms which you then don?t make properly. If you?ve got something to say, FGS, out with it, call a spade a spade. It?s not often I stand shoulder to shoulder with Uwila and Ameriscot (hi ladies!) but on this occasion I really feel they?ve got a point.

Some of the people on the list are clearly doing a terrible job with the children in their care

PARENTS
GRANDPARENTS
FAMILY
NANNIES
CHILDMINDERS
AU PAIRS
NURSERY WORKERS
TEACHERS

BUT some do a terrific job and so should not all be respected on first sight as it were,

There are bad people in the world BUT there are also some very good people

Some of the ones on the list want to do the best they can for children.

I mean there are some good parents in this world and some who quite clearly should never be allowed to have another child.

The ones that are trying to do the best they can should be respected for doing their best for their children.

As anyone else like teachers should be shown respect for the hard job they do, for example not sworn at or assaulted.

Caligula - have we been at odds before? (don't answer) [smile}

Can we not all agree to respect eachother, give big hugs and move on?

If we haven't Ameriscot, it's been a big oversight and we'd better rectify it asap!

Who's doing a terrible job with children in their care? Have they admitted it? Is it clear?

Caligula, I'm always happy to argue either side of any argument

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Listen to the news Americscot

Just everybody please be kind to one another

And show respect for one another

Thank you

What am I supposed to hear, Kanga?

I don't mean today