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BIRTH TRAUMA SUPPORT THREAD.

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VictorianSqualor · 07/08/2008 10:29

As has come up on a number of threads, many of us seem to have suffered from birth trauma.

It's all well and good knowing facts and figures, which of course, can ease our fears slightly, but with every birth having a chance of going severely wrong, adding that to birth trauma issues is going to convince us that we could be in whatever small percentage of people do suffer from our fears.

This thread is to help us come to terms with what happened during our previous births that left us with these emotional scars and to support each other through the journeys that we will go through in both our minds and possible future/current pregnancies.

There have been previous threads on which people have oupoured their experiences but acknowledgement and discussion is more than each of us telling our own experiences, so I ask that not only do we tell our own stories but we acknowledge other's and help them to discuss their past too.

Giving birth should be a calm, and beautiful thing, not one full of fear and panic.

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LuLuMacGloo · 14/12/2008 22:46

Just come across this thread and think it's brilliant and long overdue.

Ds's birth was horrible - pre-eclampsia, induced, crash section, no heart beat etc. I know that I'm bloody lucky that he's alive. With no 2 I demanded elective section and, helped by getting gestational diabtes, I got it. Happy days until I had a major PPH. I looked at my newborn daughter and thought, hello-goodbye because I was totally confident that I was going to die - and nearly did.

I still can't read 'happy' birth stories without flashing back to mine (nb I don't feel 'cheated' - I don't think anyone should expect a 'positive' birth experience - you take what you get). I had hypnotherapy and it did work but I should have gone back for more sessions because 5 and 7 years later I still suffer from bizarre flashes of anxiety (despite the fact that I was always a very positive person with no track record of anxiety/depression).

I know my birth experiences are something that I will carry with me for the rest of my life. And in a way, so they should be. The first time I nearly lost a child, the second time I nearly died. So of course it's going to shake me - like it would anyone. But five years on from my youngest's birth, I'm FINALLY trying to put a positive spin on it. My experiences have given me a broader experience of life (and potentially death) and in a weird kind of way have made my life richer as a result. One of these days (not yut!) I might even be able to say 'I'm glad that happened' because the experiences have shaped me fairly profoundly - perhaps more profoundly than an 'easy' drug free waterbirth might have done.

I wouldn't wish similar birth experiences on my worst enemy but the upshot is that I appreciate my life and I appreciate my children's lives in a way I'm not sure I would if I'd had it easier.

That said - if you are suffering please get some therapy because birth trauma can be a complete blight on your life.

TinselBaublesMistletoe · 14/12/2008 23:14

Glad to see this thread has picked up again

I've made a decision about my birth, have a look at Childbirth I've posted a letter to my consultant on there for feedback.

I've been having rather strong contractions for the last 20 minutes, so not sure if this is it. Giving it a little time to see what happens.

CoteDAzur · 17/12/2008 12:32

Well, amnio went well this morning.

"Mme Cote already had an amnio so she knows about the pain"

"I already gave birth in this hospital, so I know all about pain"

Stunned silence from 2 doctors, 1 nurse, and 1 trainee midwife.

and yet still

JacksFirstChristmasMama · 17/12/2008 22:35

ROFL!!!
You go, girl!!!

Glad amnio went well. (((HUGS))) for the wait until you get lovely normal results back.

CoteDAzur · 20/12/2008 09:02

Got preliminary amnio results - all good & definitely a boy!

JacksFirstChristmasMama · 20/12/2008 17:21

Oh I'm so glad - they must have done the FISH test on it to get you results in 48 hours - that's what they did for us and it was such a relief to know that the Big Uglies (Tri13 etc) were not a concern - CONGRATULATIONS!!! So happy for you!!

jabberwocky · 20/12/2008 17:43

Congratulations! I got a FISH result with ds2 after reading about it on MN. My first clinic didn't even tell me it was an option

CoteDAzur · 20/12/2008 18:45

Thank you. Yes, we paid for FISH. Figured it was worth the money to have the worry off our minds and have a great Christmas.

TinselBaublesMistletoe · 20/12/2008 19:34

I'm really pleased for you and congratulations on the boy!

BlueCollie · 08/12/2009 21:45

Sorry originally posted this on childbirth thread as didn't know this one was here.....

Okay. Well I was all set for home waterbirth had hired pool etc and was totally relaxed and happy about it all. However, after a day of contracting every 2-30mins and then 17 hours of every 5 mins of strong contractions with baby back to back I went to hospital and had epidural (fab I must say:O)) After another 12 hours of strong contractions and on the syntocin stuff I still had not gone any further than 3 cms dilated, baby had not moved and showed no signs of going anywhere. Locum reg came in and siad some stupid comment about him finishing at 18:00 and for me to wait another 3 hours...funnily enough at the time he finished (should have known then really) anyway by this time I was knackered and starting to get concerned about how my baby would continue to cope being stuck and neither of us getting anywhere. Spoke to the midwife and said not keen on waiting another 3 hours. She called Dr back after an hour had gone by and I said to Dr not happy to wait as I was still at 3 cm. He examined me again I was still 3 cm and so went off for c-section. I was cut during c-section which is not uncommon and lost a couple of litres of blood again not uncommon. However, I was stitched up and taken back to room...funnily enough got back there at 17:50. Anaes Dr was telling Locum Dr that I was not well and needed to go back to theatre, Locum Dr said I was fine, anaes Dr said I wasn't. At this point I was flaking and knew something was seriously wrong (I'm a nurse and know the signs!) Thankfully Anaes Dr had told midwife to call Concultant Obs Dr in and Aneas Dr decided to go above Locum Dr's head and crash call me back to theatre. I was opened back up and found to still be bleeding lots. They could not reach some of the cuts and so had to take a fallopian tube out. During this time I was given 19 units of blood and some plasma howeer this along with being opened up twice caused a life threatening clotting disorder called D.I.C. and at this point the only thing they could do was put pressure on and wiat. My partner was told that I may not make it at this point and this must have been so horrible for him. Thankfully I did after another 4 hours on the operating table (I was 6 in all the second time) and taken to ITU and was extubated later that morning. I then went onto develop further life threatening complications (adult respiratory distress syndrome) and was nearly intubated again but thankfully started to show signs of recovery from that before I then developed and Ileous (can't spell it, sorry) and my stomach swelled to huge proportions and then needed a CT scan followed by a colonscopy to get the air out before my bowel perforated. I evetually started to feel better but the needed potassium and then magnesium and then irn transfusions. During all of this we had to watch our boy get taken away to the special care baby unit as he had jaundice within the first 24 hours. All in all a bit horrendous. The hospital I can not fault, they allowed my partner and baby to stay with me the whole time i was in (11 days) and kept me informed of everything happening and the care was excellent. They have also reported the Locum to the GMC and will not allow him to work in the hospital again. I think the worse thing though is that I am a nurse and know just how close I came to dying on not just one occasion. I was unable to breastfeed despite trying and trying and expressing when I wasn't too tired/unwell and feel guilty about that.
Just wondered if anyone had had a bad experience and how they dealt with it. My partner is excellent and is doing everything as I am unable to pick my boy up, I get to feed him and have lots of cuddles though .

JaMmRocks · 08/12/2009 21:55

Oh my goodness, I'm so sorry you had this terrible experience. I have nothing to compare to this, but would say that you need a debrief from the hospital and possibly some counselling in case it really hits home later on.

With regard to the useless Locum, as well as him being reported to the GMC, maybe you should go through PALS so that the hospital has a proper investigation too? Sorry if this is a bit teaching granny to suck eggs with you being a nurse!

Congratulations on your baby boy, I hope you have a speedy recovery and can put it all behind you.

Best wishes

Olifin · 24/01/2010 13:49

Hello everyone,

Forgive me but I haven't read the whole thread.

I have not had a birth trauma myself but am writing to ask what I can do to support a friend who has?

I can't go into any details, of course, as it's not my story to tell but my friend had a terrifying experience giving birth in a hospital abroad. She has since moved to another country (but still abroad).

Her DS is nearly 2 now and she is still suffering frequent flashbacks, nightmares and panic attacks. She now has a phobia of hospitals and Drs. surgeries and cannot visit a Dr without a full-blown panic attack.

She knows that she needs some treatment so that she can begin to get better. She has been referred to a psychologist but is too frightened to go. She knows that the likelihood is that it will all get worse before it gets better and she is worried that 'reliving' the experience and talking about it to the psychologist will mean she is going to spend all her time in between appointments panicking about the next appointment.

I'm so sad for her. I just want to make it all go away.

How can I gently get her to see that seeing the psychologist is necessary? Is it my place to suggest that?

Any advice from you ladies who've been through your own trauma would be appreciated.

Olifin · 26/01/2010 17:59

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podsquash · 26/01/2010 19:14

hi all, just wanted to talk about the help i've had with this issue. Ds1 born 5 years ago, v tricky, and i didn't bond that well with him but didn't realise. After dd1 born 3 yrs ago, q straightforward, i got depressed, eventually got referred for help by GP. After a few sessions the psych diagnosed post traumatic stress disorder and i've been getting specific help for that. I cannot say how different my life is now after just a couple of months. I feel optimistic that i'll be myself again one day. Even just having a proper diagnosis and explanation of how trauma works and why it affects you like it does was amazing. And the key thing for everyone but esp olifin is that self help is not enough, because of the specific way the brain processes trauma differently to other events. I am self help queen and could not figure out why this stuff kept coming back. Anyone can be referred under the Improved Access to Psychological Treatment initiative. Keep pressing until they take you seriously, as it is a stepped system they might give you a light self-help thing first but go back.

Druidmama · 27/01/2010 09:19

Hello!

My birth trauma is from DD1's birth, a similar story to a few I have read on this thread. I was set up for a home waterbirth, but it was taking 'too long' and I was ordered to go to hospital. I said I didn't want to but the miswife threatened that she's call an ambulance and they'd carry me in if I didn't go now.

The hospital tried to hook me up to a monitor, but none of the belt ones would work so they insisted on a scalp electrode which they did without my consent...with me screaming that they were hurting my baby, I was told not to be a silly girl (I was 21 but look much younger) that the baby couldn't feel it...she was violently shaking her head (crowning at this point) and in doing so got tangled in the cord and was born blue and not breathing into my Mum's arms (DH was trying to get a mw attention as they were getting ready to send me for a section) and I didn't see her for the next few hours as she was recussitated, bathed and then brought back.

Upshot of this is, apart from the PND that DH and I both had...I can't cope with being touched by medical people. During DD2's pregnancy I did all the heart monitoring myself and during scans I was sobbing and panicking. DD2's birth was utterly perfect though, home waterbirth, no pain and I shut the midwives in the kitchen...

I think the thing that bothers me the most...apart from my sadness at not being able to give DD1 the same as DD2 got is that they BATHED her...she didn't feel like mine when she got back...you couldn't tell she'd just been born.

4thtimelucky · 29/01/2010 16:35

Found this thread a couple of days ago and have read it partly with a lump in my throat, partly in tears, partly with relief knowing I am not on my own but also partly in desperation willing my crying 6 week old son to calm down while feeling utterly detached from everything. I finally told DP that I think DS's arrival affected me more than I thought and he uttered words akin to those we all seem to dislike "but it was alright in the end and he's healthy" - yes, our son is healthy and here safely and I am physically healed. But my head is still battered by the whole "birth" process and I feel like a failure.

One thing I do want to say which is different to a lot of you is that the vast majority of the health professionals I came across over the course of my pregnancy - and there were a lot, I think I counted up 25 antenatal visits and 3 hospital stays by the end - were nothing but professional and treated me well.

My unplanned but quickly extremely welcome pregnancy got off to a very shaky start with it being a suspected ectopic and numerous TV scans and daily HCG blood tests - I vividly remember laying in a hospital bed in a side room alone being told by 2 doctors that my HCG levels suggested that I had been pregnant but wasn't anymore and basically to get on with it.

I moved at 10/11 weeks which meant different PCT and all the re-registration malarkey that entails. Eventually got a booking appointment at 12+5 and was straight on the high risk list with high bp, BMI of 29, first baby, age 35+ and hence under consultant care (basically lots of blood pressure checks). Had scan & bloods the same week which came back with a 1:63 risk of Downs Syndrome, cue further monitoring with another (utterly brilliant) consultant including a very fraught 24 hours when we had to decide whether or not to have CVS the following day (we didn't and waited for the 20 week anamoly scan). Due to the high downs risk and despite the 20 week scan being OK, we ended up having to have growth scans as the baby was at the bottom of all the centiles for dates and had a terrible time following the 32 week scan and the grwoth had slowed to the point that there was talk of early delivery. At this point, I brought my maternity leave forward cue phenomenal stress at work which to cut a long story short makes it extremely unlikely I will go back there.

I knew all along with all the problems, there was no way I was going to "be allowed" a homebirth or to use the new local midwife led unit so my "birth plan" was to go to hospital as late as possible in order to have minimal intervention as possible, to not be strapped to monitors, to not be immobilised by an epidural and certainly not to have a csection. I just wanted what should be a natural thing to not be medicalised just once, not to be made to feel like I had an illness, just to try and be "normal".

Oh yeah, you know what happens next....my obligingly cephalic all the way through baby decides to turn OP, I end up with stays in hospital with even higher bp, 2 sweeps don't work and I am booked in for an induction at 41+4. DS arrives at 41+6 following two pessaries, controlled ARM (which nearly ended in theatre), syntocin and an epidural strapped to monitors throughout by emergency cs. I didn't give birth to my DS, he was another medical process, I didn't hold him first, I didn't hear him cry, no one told me he was OK nor did I see him until I was ready to leave theatre, I couldn't hold him because of the shakes, someone else cleaned and dressed him first, I couldn't pick him up when he cried because of the op.

My only saving grace is that I've been able to breastfeed - I had a crap pregnancy, I couldn't give him the strength he needed to grow (this was my feeling all the way after the 32 week scan until he arrived weighign a perfectly normal 7lbs 1), I am clearly bloody useless at childbirth but at least I can feed him.

Do I feel better now I've told you this, I don't know.

zachsmama · 28/05/2010 12:52

I've read this thread several times but never posted.
olifin is a very kind friend, and is in fact referring to me.

I have now, 5 months later, got myself together enough to go to a psychotherapist. I had my first appointment last week. He has diagnosed that I'm suffering from trauma - possibly ptsd - and I'm starting some treatment similar to emdr next week.

I was doing ok about it all but now I'm getting myself in a state about the forthcoming appt on Monday. I know I'm probably going to feel worse before it starts to feel better and I'm dreading it

Marjee · 19/06/2010 10:59

I hope no one minds me resurrecting this thread, I'm fairly new here and unsure about mn etiquette! My birth story (short version) is fast labour 3hrs 45 mins from first twinge, called hospital several times begging to be admitted, told not in labour, refused to let me in. Turned up pushing after dh took phone and told mw we were coming in anyway! Was laughed at for crying and told to be quiet, pushing with trousers still on! Made to lay on bed when I really didnt want to. CFM, examinations without asking or telling me, episiotomy, ventouse (ds heart rate dropping), sobbing, screaming, shouting "I'm scared!". Time of birth 26 mins after admission. Horrible, scary experience all in all! I know my birth story is nowhere near as bad as some I have read on here but I've noticed that the common feature seems to be fear and loss of control. I hope all the ladies on this thread have managed to gain some closure from their experiences. I recently had a debrief which helped a lot, for those who haven't yet had one I highly recommend it.

Marjee · 19/06/2010 17:01

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Babieseverywhere · 19/06/2010 21:12

{{{Marjee}}} Sounds like you had a very difficult time. I agree that the worse elements of birth, isn't so much what happened as much as the way you are helped or not helped to have some control over how things are going.

My second birth was worse in result (emergency C-section) than my first but with the right support from DH, doula I left that situation with a healthier mentally than I did with the first birth attempt.

Glad your debriefing made you feel better.

Babieseverywhere · 19/06/2010 21:13

healthier mentally mental attitude

Marjee · 20/06/2010 01:28

Thanks babieseverywhere, I do feel much better after the debrief. Ds is 7 months now so it took me a while to seek help. I think the general consensus is that long labours are traumatic and women who have short labour are lucky. I didn't feel lucky, tbh I was scared shitless! It took me a long time to be able to talk about what happened but now its like the floodgates have opened! I love your idea of having a doula, thats definitely something I will consider next time around. Its shocking reading the stories on here and realising how poor maternity services are in the 21st century.

dotnet · 24/09/2010 13:15

I had a diabolical birth in the hands of a registrar who is now quite often a spokesperson about childbirth matters on radio 4. Pity she did her practising on me! I got a 4th degree tear, meaning I tore right through to my anal canal (and the tear was the full length of my anal canal.) While still in hospital, when I went to the toilet, to my horror and disbelief, faeces came down my vagina, my body had been chewed up so much. I still cry when I think how bloody awful the experience was (although, thank God, epidural pain relief worked well.)
On my birth plan I stipulated that I didn't want forceps or an episiotomy. I would be OK with a ventouse or a caesarian if need be.
When the baby looked as if she still wasn't going to come out after a couple of attempts with the ventouse, the registrar threatened me she'd use forceps if the third ventouse attempt failed. So I made one final, massive effort, felt a big jolt in my body (but not pain, because of the epidural) - the jolt must have been the tearing through.

224 hours later, in the toilet, when faeces ccame down my vagina, I stood up, shaking and shocked when I'd finished and saw stitches among the blood and faeces in the pan.

My daughter is a teenager now. Can anyone else who had a fourth degree tear, tell me what the aftercare is like now? I investigated having a repair job done on my torn anal canal when my daughter was three, but decided that maybe creating additional scar tissue would do more harm than good and might exacerbate problems of pain with sex etc.

Sorry this is long, but it's good to let it out. I don't know what I did to deserve such an experience, and still feel sorry for myself and upset and angry!

Marjee · 24/09/2010 15:30

Oh god how awful for you! Do you still have pain now? Someone posted on here a while back saying she'd just had a fentons procedure (where they cut away scar tissue and restitch) after 30 years iirc so theres a good chance something can be done.

first1 · 26/09/2010 12:04

dotnet - how awful for you. My daughter is 17weeks old. I had a 3a tear after she was born back to back after a 28hour induction. I was stitched - butchered even - by an on call registrar. I was discharged from hospital just 12hours later. I had 6 courses of antibiotics, silver nitrate put on stitches were stabbing into me like knives. My 6week check the consultant said "it will heal, give it time". I could barely sit down. I felt like I was living at my GPs, getting nowhere, crying all day long in pain. Eventually, when she was 8 weeks old, I decided to scrape the bank and see a private consultant where I was told I'd definitely need perineal revision. I had the operation 5 weeks ago under GA in a private hospital and actually had a repair for a partial prolapse (at 22), the NHS team never mentioned it. Stitches still havent totally dissolved and I've had an infection but in comparison to first time round what a difference! Consultant second time was amazing, even gave me her mobile number which Ive text a few times with concerns. I know it takes a huge amount of bottle to go through an op again, but really, things can be fixed.

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