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Horrific birth experience - don’t read if your pregnant

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Parsley91 · 11/06/2021 23:17

No one will talk to me about the birth experience I endured so I hope it’s ok to vent as I feel horrible about it still and can’t talk about it.

So I should probably start off by saying my whole childbirth experience was affected by two things:
1.) awful midwife who didn’t give a toss about me and was as unhelpful as possible
2.) I had to be monitored during my birth as I was high risk

Essentially I was ignored when asking for pain relief as midwife didn’t think baby was coming so soon so postponed it and also was coerced to giving birth on my back, which was against my birth plan and there was not an especially good reason for it. Basically I needed help to move my body and the only person willing to help me move was my husband who had pretty much been told to butt out at that point.

The pain was absolutely horrific, and I say this as someone with a high pain tolerance. I ended up giving birth with no pain relief other than gas and air which did nothing for pain but made me feel ill and baby came very quickly, causing lacerations and I had an episiotomy. I only pushed for 20 mins and they kept shouting at me to push (hypnobirthing went out the window!) but literally nothing was happening, baby wouldn’t come out and I was losing energy and couldn’t push any harder. Later a different midwife told me that the pain would indeed have been bad with how fast things progressed - baby did come extremely fast in the end despite how it felt like he just wouldn’t come out. I am a very laid back person and went into the labour ward feeling optimistic and coping well with the pain. Dr and midwives literally exchanged incredulous looks as if I was a madwoman when I turned down their offer of paracetamol to help with the contractions. I then felt quite awkward about it, but I had thought it was quite normal for women to want to do without pain relief - but how would paracetamol have done any good anyway? It’s not exactly strong! I was all but tied to the bed due to BP monitor, drip, and two wires for monitoring baby and could do nothing more than lie flat on my back, perch on edge of the too-high bed or stand upright. Midwife didn’t want to get me a ball as she didn’t feel it was an optimal position for monitoring the baby - she eventually agreed but just didn’t fetch one. She didn’t help me move around at all, and my husband, who was currently quite unwell and also has a a bad back, had to help me as much as he could. Due to drip needle in my wrist I couldn’t even support my weight on my hands so I felt like I was trapped.

Afterwards I was stitched up, could feel a great deal of the needles going in and out, and they did this thing which I am guessing is normal when they kept pushing down on my stomach - I think they were trying to force out any more pieces of placenta, or maybe blood? All through this they were having light hearted conversations with each other while they dug their hands into my stomach and stitched me up as I lay there crying from the pain. It was horrible.

All I can think is, how is this normal? I felt like I had been tied to a bed and tortured. My vocal chords were shredded from screaming (two weeks later my throat is still healing). This, from me, who has a high pain tolerance, who is pretty unemotional and doesn’t over react to things. I’m generally calm and collected and cope well in a crisis and with pain. I later asked my husband if I had been overreacting, and he said definitely not. He said he thought I was going to die, and he felt traumatised himself from seeing me like that. We actually have become closer after going through that together.

I lay there in shock from what I’d just went through, at first sobbing, and then silent and shaking, while they all joked about me being ‘out of it’ or ‘tired’. If it weren’t for my husband I think I - well I don’t know what.

How is it normal for women to endure torture like this to the point where those midwives just shrugged it off and treated me like an object as they hurt me afterwards? Many women I spoke to afterwards either didn’t want to hear me talking about my negative experience (which i understand) or else just shrugged it off. Not one person, other than a solitary midwife later on, acknowledged that I had been through something awful. It would have meant so much to me if after the birth someone had put a hand on my arm and said ‘you went through a lot there’ or ‘that was a difficult birth’, but it was treated like absolutely nothing. At one pint, a midwife said ‘she’s in shock’, but no one did anything. My husband just held my hand and held the baby when I couldn’t.

I feel like I should have been offered counselling or something. I’m a strong person, I know I am, but that was the worst experience I’ve ever had, physically. Sometimes I have an emotional wobble and I just cry and cry. It’s so unlike me that I wonder if the traumatic experience has done this. I just feel like no one accepts that this awful thing happened, like I’m supposed to just be okay with it or get over it. I can’t accept this is what all women go through. I know there are a lot of factors actually which made my experience worse (lack of support, being forced to lie on my back, not being able to move or being given no privacy or peace to practice hypnobirthing methods like I planned) but my experience can’t have been that unusual or the midwives wouldn’t have brushed it off surely?

Am I alone in having felt like I’ve been tortured?

Afterwards I was stitched up, could feel a great deal of the needles going in and out, and they did this thing which I am guessing is normal when they kept pushing down on my stomach - I think they were trying to force out any more pieces of placenta, or maybe blood? All through this they were having light hearted conversations with each other while they dug their hands into my stomach and stitched me up as I lay there crying from the pain. It was horrible.

All I can think is, how is this normal? I felt like I had been tied to a bed and tortured. My vocal chords were shredded from screaming (two weeks later my throat is still healing). This, from me, who has a high pain tolerance, who is pretty unemotional and doesn’t over react to things. I’m generally calm and collected and cope well in a crisis. I later asked my husband if I had been overreacting, and he said definitely not. He said he thought I was going to die, and he felt traumatised himself from seeing me like that. We actually have become closer after going through that together.

I lay there in shock from what I’d just went through, at first sobbing, and then silent and shaking, while they all joked about me being ‘out of it’ or ‘tired’. If it weren’t for my husband I think I - well I don’t know what.

How is it normal for women to endure torture like this to the point where those midwives just shrugged it off and treated me like an object as they hurt me afterwards? Many women I spoke to afterwards either didn’t want to hear me talking about my negative experience (which i understand) or else just shrugged it off. Not one person, other than a solitary midwife later on, acknowledged that I had been through something awful. It would have meant so much to me if after the birth someone had put a hand on my arm and said ‘you went through a lot there’ or ‘that was a difficult birth’, but it was treated like absolutely nothing. At one pint, a midwife said ‘she’s in shock’, but no one did anything. My husband just held my hand and held the baby when I couldn’t.

I feel like I should have been offered counselling or something. I’m a strong person, I know I am, but that was the worst experience I’ve ever had, physically. Sometimes I have an emotional wobble and I just cry and cry. It’s so unlike me that I wonder if the traumatic experience has done this. I just feel like no one accepts that this awful thing happened, like I’m supposed to just be okay with it or get over it. I can’t accept this is what all women go through. I know there are a lot of factors actually which made my experience worse (lack of support, being forced to lie on my back, not being able to move or being given no privacy or peace to practice hypnobirthing methods like I planned) but my experience can’t have been that unusual or the midwives wouldn’t have brushed it off surely?

Am I alone in having felt like I’ve been tortured?

OP posts:
QioiioiioQ · 12/06/2021 11:18

@AnoDeLosMuertos

It’s called giving birth dear, it’s not a walk in the park.
Did you mean to be so patronising dismissive and unpleasant?
dogistoobigforthesofa · 12/06/2021 11:19

I had a very traumatic birth - over 40 hours from waters breaking to birth, had a drip to induce labour (makes contractions more painful and intense than usual), back-to-back labour, only gas and air as I had 3 failed epidurals, and this cumulated in an emergency c-section as baby was stuck. However, all through this, the midwives were kind and respectful. I"m so sorry you went through this. Strangely, what helped me get over it was watching lots of episodes of "One Born Every Minute' as it helped me realise that there were other women out there who had gone through a similar experience. Sending you virtual hugs.

QioiioiioQ · 12/06/2021 11:20

@PanamaPattie

Midwives and obstetricians don’t see you as a person. You are just a lump of meat. All they care about is getting the baby out alive with as little paperwork as possible.
No wonder the birthright is dropping, it won't be long before governments will need to incentivise women to have more children, hopefully they will realise they will have to do something about this inhuman treatment
lljkk · 12/06/2021 11:38

What substance would be in the drip of a person who had a drip precisely because of 2 previous C-sections ? For VBAC, not supposed to be induced, I thought? I'm just curious why people having a VBAC routinely have a drip and what is in the drip.

The 4 times I gave birth were difficult for me but not remotely awful. MW teams from 3 different areas, 20-13 yrs ago. I liked their light-hearted manner, it helped me get thru. Had one scold me to concentrate on pushing properly -- this helped me, I was glad to be told what to do. I found the stitching afterwards a nicely mild sting after the contractions. I didn't have bad tears, though.

I hope OP gets some resolution.

LynetteScavo · 12/06/2021 11:51

@AnoDeLosMuertos

It’s called giving birth dear, it’s not a walk in the park.
I can be a walk in the park, if those present are caring and considerate and the environment is right. It can be a very positive experience. Maybe more of a hill climb with a great view at the end than a walk in the park. WinkThere is no reason in 2021 that women should be treated as poorly as they are during labour.
dogistoobigforthesofa · 12/06/2021 11:52

@lljkk

What substance would be in the drip of a person who had a drip precisely because of 2 previous C-sections ? For VBAC, not supposed to be induced, I thought? I'm just curious why people having a VBAC routinely have a drip and what is in the drip.

The 4 times I gave birth were difficult for me but not remotely awful. MW teams from 3 different areas, 20-13 yrs ago. I liked their light-hearted manner, it helped me get thru. Had one scold me to concentrate on pushing properly -- this helped me, I was glad to be told what to do. I found the stitching afterwards a nicely mild sting after the contractions. I didn't have bad tears, though.

I hope OP gets some resolution.

I had an oxytocin drip. It increases the frequency and intensity of your contractions and subsequently makes your contractions more painful than usual.
Estasala · 12/06/2021 11:55

birthtalk.org/had-a-bad-birth/what-is-a-bad-birth/

birthtraumatruths.wordpress.com

Some useful links.

I really think those who have not suffered birth trauma should avoid giving advice on this topic. Although well-meaning, some of the things people are posting are the opposite of helpful.

Please ignore whoever above who said don't talk to other mothers, they won't understand you. It was so therapeutic for me to talk to other mothers and share our stories. And also, we are "other mothers"; there are plenty of women who will understand.

elliejjtiny · 12/06/2021 11:55

@lljkk I can't speak for other women but I had a drip for my vbac and it was the induction drip. I wasn't allowed to have the pessary because I was a vbac but I could have the drip.

dogistoobigforthesofa · 12/06/2021 11:57

Also, some women are given an antibiotic drip when labour starts if there is a risk of Group Streptococcus.

dogistoobigforthesofa · 12/06/2021 11:58

*Group B Streptococcus

Stanleysaysyes · 12/06/2021 12:00

[quote Secretsout]@Stanleysaysyes you're welcome.

I don't actually know. I would assume it's because birth is a normal process, it's not a disease/illness and it would probably be considered inappropriate to anaesthetise a woman temporarily for a procedure - such as suturing - when it should only take 10-15 minutes. It would also probably massively interfere with the process of the mother and baby bonding. [/quote]
Thank you again Secretsout

I totally understand the bonding point and that they are considering the mother and baby relationship, although being in a frightening level of pain, over which one has little control wouldn't be particularly conducive to bonding either I imagine.

The stitching only taking 10-15 mins isn't to me as logical though because setting or straightening a bone usually only takes from moments to 5 mins or so (from what I have seen on the telly) and patients are lightly knocked out for that. Maybe that type of anaesthetic isn't compatible with gas and air or something?

And why not have an anaesthetist-pain specialist permanently on duty? God knows of all the departments in a hospital that needs that resource, the maternity wing is it.

BreakingtheIce · 12/06/2021 12:11

I had a friend who recently retired as a midwife. The tales she told of poor staffing and midwives who didn’t know what they were doing due to poor training we’re frightening.

BreakingtheIce · 12/06/2021 12:11

Were

CEBT · 12/06/2021 12:28

Some of these comments are so worrying. I find it awkward seeing how many women are happy to feed into the anti-feminist idea that women deserve to suffer during labour and should just put up with it. The idea that we shouldn't expect to be treated like a human being and that we shouldn't be entitled to pain relief during one of the most painful experiences of our lives is horrific. We are in 2020 now and feminists fought for our right to pain relief during labour. Also, we are allowed to find it traumatic and it is so patronising to suggest we just need to get over it because "thats how birth should be." No it absolutely is not! It's so strange that women who would otherwise see themselves as feminists buy into this obserd way of thinking.

Bagelsandbrie · 12/06/2021 12:32

@CEBT

Some of these comments are so worrying. I find it awkward seeing how many women are happy to feed into the anti-feminist idea that women deserve to suffer during labour and should just put up with it. The idea that we shouldn't expect to be treated like a human being and that we shouldn't be entitled to pain relief during one of the most painful experiences of our lives is horrific. We are in 2020 now and feminists fought for our right to pain relief during labour. Also, we are allowed to find it traumatic and it is so patronising to suggest we just need to get over it because "thats how birth should be." No it absolutely is not! It's so strange that women who would otherwise see themselves as feminists buy into this obserd way of thinking.
Absolutely this.

If we can get pain relief to people arriving in A and E within a few hours or much less because they’ve broken their leg / had a car crash / had something else horrible happen to them then it’s absolutely not okay that a woman be denied pain relief during labour or to be made to feel she’s somehow being a wimp because she’s asking for some.

It’s just not good enough.

boomwhacker · 12/06/2021 12:47

I can be a walk in the park, if those present are caring and considerate and the environment is right.

I don't agree. My two challenging births were not made worse because of my care. In fact the midwives couldn't have been better but the experience was still tough going!

Iecydda · 12/06/2021 13:31

I know it's not for everyone, but I had my third last year at home. It was honestly the most empowering experience ever. Midwife was pretty much hands off except when necessary and my fiancé helped to deliver our daughter with her support. Can't recommend highly enough Smile

Sometimesonly · 12/06/2021 13:57

I can be a walk in the park, if those present are caring and considerate and the environment is right.

I don't agree. My two challenging births were not made worse because of my care. In fact the midwives couldn't have been better but the experience was still tough going!

So you don't think it can ever be easy? Because the post you quoted says "can be" not that every birth will be. I know plenty of women who have had easy birth experiences as well as many who have had difficult births for reasons beyond their control yet they still felt supported by their midwives.

boomwhacker · 12/06/2021 14:06

@Sometimesonly I think that the notion that it can be a breeze IF the staff are good is overly simplistic. Sometimes it's very tough going regardless.

Signoramarella · 12/06/2021 14:08

Yep mine was like this 11 years ago. Fainted and haemorrhage at the end. It was in Italy. No painkillers. The trauma has been with me for years. No one interested in listening. Thought I was near death. I was hoarse too. I hated my son and in a way I still do. Barbaric isn't it.

2bazookas · 12/06/2021 14:23

You clearly had a very fast last stage of labour (only 20 minutes of "pushing".)

That was unusual, but it happens and is natural. The midwives were in no way to blame for the speed nor could they have done anything to slow it down.

In such a fast labour, there could be risks to mother and child and that's why you both had to be attached to monitors, and why you had to lie on your back so the midwives could see what was going on and deal with it. A fast intense labour is not conducive to hypnobirthing. I think the pain relief you were offered and refused, was most likely pethidine, not paracetamol.

Depending on size and presentation of the baby, very rapid descent can cause laceration (tearing of the vagina) as you found out. In that situation, an episiotomy (surgical cut) can be essential to prevent much worse damage from uncontrolled tearing.

Pushing on your belly was to help expel the placenta.

You had a rough time; so did I, so I sympathise. But try to keep things in proportion. We survived, we mend, and our babies were safely delivered alive and well.

I know mothers who were not so lucky.

mayjuneapril · 12/06/2021 14:36

Echo what many PP have said about how often birth trauma is caused by poor care and disrespectful treatment. Often the extract same experience on paper can either be massively traumatic or positive depending on how the woman was cared for, whether she was respected and listened to.

When you consider suicide is the leading cause of death for new mums in the first year, the rates of PND and birth trauma, I don’t understand how people can be so dismissive or say ‘any birth with a live baby is a good birth’.

Trauma isn’t inevitable and the effects can be absolutely devastating on women, their babies, their families and have massive consequences. If we value women and mothers then we should understand women not starting their journey into motherhood traumatised with mental health issues is important.

TurquoiseLemur · 12/06/2021 14:48

@Oblomov21

I don't understand why all the women on this thread haven't been told to request through their HV, that they have one of those 'de-brief sessions where you talk through your birth'?
I can see that having a debrief can be a helpful experience. . . in some scenarios.

It is absolutely not helpful if the traumatic birth was due mostly or entirely to a negligent or unkind attitude on the part of the staff and if the woman has made a complaint to the hospital. In THOSE cases, the midwife doing the debrief will be very much on the defensive.

Anyone here who has ever made a complaint and then been offered a debrief will be familiar with this scenario. It happened to me. I was traumatized, had made a formal complaint (on the suggestion of my very concerned GP), and was then offered what I understood was going to be a supportive debrief. The midwife spent the entire session minimizing what I said, telling me "Your expectations were too high" (because I had expected to be treated with basic decency?!) and, in short, making an already awful situation even worse.

Foxhasbigsocks · 12/06/2021 15:32

This is exactly why I didn’t ask for a debrief and spoke to Tommy’s instead. Their support line REALLY helped

TurquoiseLemur · 12/06/2021 17:38

@Foxhasbigsocks

This is exactly why I didn’t ask for a debrief and spoke to Tommy’s instead. Their support line REALLY helped
Am glad Tommy's helped. I don't know them (are they quite new?). I found the Birth Trauma Network very good.