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Support for those FF

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galonthefarm · 16/08/2010 22:28

Not sure if this is the best description for a thread, but basically just somewhere for anyone who is FF who did not set out to do so - to chat to others about it, as there are so many feelings involved (yes, including guilt and also relief!)

My dd (5.5 months) is now exclusively bottle fed, using up supplies of frozen ebm once a day until its gone. She was 5 weeks early and we were advised to top up from the beginning so she put on weight. Now a very chubby 15 lb plus!

There are so many different stories I've heard from friends and on here, and I think it is so important to realise you are not alone in how you feel. I don't get on here much but thought would start the ball rolling! x

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AlpinePony · 13/05/2011 13:17

The lactivists always, always, always talk about this study and that study and poo-pooh anecdotal evidence. But all evidence is anecdotal until babies are raised in laboratories and to my knowledge, that is not done and publicly-acknowledged!

niminypiminy · 13/05/2011 13:41

I so wish this kind of thread had been around when I failed at bf more than seven years ago now. At the time I felt an utter failure as a mother, I cried about it at least every day for nearly a year.

With seven years hindsight, I think, 'well I didn't do the absolute best thing, but I did my best, the best thing I could have done at that time in that place'. And that has to be enough.

I so, so wish tha we women weren't tearing ourselves up over this. It's really dreadful to read the testimonies of women torturing themselves because thery've failed to bf. I know how it is -- even after all these years it still hurts. I wish the bf campaigners could walk a mile in the shoes of those who failed to bf, and know how their crusading feels to us: like public humiliation.

AlpinePony · 13/05/2011 13:59

niminy That's so true. The funny thing is I have a real life friend (who's also on mn) who is perhaps what some would call a "lactivist" - she mans the helplines. But she has never, ever made me feel like a failure as a mother, furthermore she has never felt any need to subject me to information or a manner of delivery which might be construed as deliberately trying to hurt me!

I have also never in real life come across anyone who's made a comment about me feeding my baby from a bottle in any public place. The internet offers this cloak of anonymity though were people are able to attempt to make others feel inferior - and, as is the case with school bullies and bullies of any age - I tend to feel that those guilty of "muck-spreading" are hiding demons of their own. :(

niminypiminy · 13/05/2011 14:06

I think that's true, AlpinePony. The internet, for all its virtues, does allow a tremendous amount of aggression, much of which people are not prepared to own up to or take responsibility for, to be aired.

On the other hand, I remember giving DS1 a bottle in a cafe once, and a woman came up to chat, and her bf failure story (twenty years before) all poured out. Honestly, there were tears in both our eyes.

soppypreggyloon · 13/05/2011 17:33

Found this by accident the other day. Interesting reading.

Basically questioning the studies that lead to the WHO recommendations on bf.

here

AlpinePony · 13/05/2011 17:47

Great article soppyloon and not one I'd seen before. Duly bookmarked. Have you read the Atlantic magazine one yet?

soppypreggyloon · 13/05/2011 20:32

Just read it- very similar and that Joan wolf lady pops up again in both.
You really can't study scientifically the benefits of bf vs ff as there are a zillion factors at play that can't be controlled.

I'm trying to avoid the ff today to see if dd will bf and improve her feeding style now her Tongue is un tied. So far it still hurts like mad but on the up side the blisters have started to heal.
I'm going to see how it goes and decide on monday. No improvement for me then no more bf.

AlpinePony · 13/05/2011 21:09

You sound really chilled about the situation. :)

soppypreggyloon · 14/05/2011 09:31

Not chilled- just resigned to fact that I am not a natural bf-er.
TBH after never having a pain free bf it'll be a relief to switch to ff if it doesn't improve soon.

I do believe that some of us just couldn't deliver safely without modern medicine and some of us wouldn't be able to feed our babies without modern medicine too!

AlpinePony · 15/05/2011 13:16

You're right about that - I'm a great mother - patient, energetic, kind, educating - but shite biologically. 50 years ago (or without medicine) one or the both of us would have been dead before I even whipped my nips out! Wink

theborrower · 15/05/2011 16:59

Just popping my head in ...

soppy my DD had a tongue tie too, sorry to hear that you're still having issues with her feeding post snip, it's tiring isn't it? I hope you see some improvement soon, but either way, I hope you make the decision that is right for you, whatever it is

Also agree - without intervention, I don't know what the outcome of DD's birth would have been (EMCS - Breech), and she would also have gone very hungry...although it also sabotaged our BFing success. But it happened the way it happened, can't change it now...

soppypreggyloon · 15/05/2011 18:10

Thanks borrower!
I think the pain is due to let down as it is worse to start (although never eases off much) and I get it in both sides at start of feed and also if dd is over due a feed.
I'm getting back in touch with infant feeding team tomorrow to tell them the pain is no better and see if they have any better suggestions than - it'll get easier in time. I need it to be bearable now or I'm out!

AlpinePony · 27/05/2011 08:24

How are you all doing?

EMS23 · 27/05/2011 08:34

Well my DD is 6 months old now and although I still look back on my "failure to breastfeed with a lot of sadness, the guilt is lessening.

I'm weaning her now so my guilt focusses on Organic vs supermarket value range vegetables and how much harm I could be doing her if I choose the wrong type of carrot for her to try!!!

I hope everyone else is ok and if anyone is suffering with guilt, sadness etc... then talk about it. It does get better, I promise
xxx

AlpinePony · 27/05/2011 08:41

EMS23 is right. It does get better, and your focus will shift. Whilst I don't worry about organic vs. pesticide-infested-perfectly-shaped veg Wink - I do curl my lip up at jars and prefer mummy's home-cooked. I despair about the quantity of dog hair he's eating though. All organic mind! Wink

EMS23 · 27/05/2011 09:56

ha ha - another dog hair eater here too! She spent weeks trying to get the dogs ear in her mouth and was thrilled when she managed it...

It does go to show though, those early days when we can control what goes in their mouths is over all too soon.

theborrower · 27/05/2011 12:13

Hi again, as I think I've said before, I've been having counselling since my earlier posts, which has definitely helped. I thought it had been all about the feeding, but it was also a lot about my EMCS and the sense of failed motherhood and lost experiences, but having had the chance to talk things over and make sense of things has been very helpful. Whereas before I went over and over things in my mind, wondering what I did wrong and if I could have done things differently, I see now that I don't think I could have changed anything, what happened happened, and I did my best at the time in difficult circumstances. I emphasise this because it has taken me a long time to accept this, and I see lots of other people post in similar agony over the guilt that they feel over not breastfeeding as long as they wanted. Please don't feel guilty.

It does get better, but I think we need to talk about and address it to do so - I think I might still be eating myself up (and taking my issues on to subsequent pregnancies) if I hadn't had this opportunity. Mumsnet is great at filling in the gaps too.

alpinepony ha ha, yeah, my focus is probably on healthy food now - i.e. what I can control! I do like to cook her all her food, but lucky for me I find it quite quick and easy to cook batches. Someone said to me the other day "Don't try and be a super mum and make all her own food, jars are ok you know", and I'm not sneering at people that do give them, but for me, I guess it's about me finally getting some control and getting to make choices over what she eats. That might sound silly, but I know what I mean...

AlpinePony · 27/05/2011 12:26

borrower Well I'm quite picky about food anyway and I won't eat anything from a packet myself, but I do have jars/packets for him when time/planning is an issue. I also cook in batches and there is usually something in the freezer which I can bang in the microwave for him. I would never cook something for each and every meal. E.g., last night I did three lots of roast chicken, carrots, mash & beans. He can eat what the grown-ups eat - until he's old enough to demand turkey-twizzlers. :(

I'm glad you've found some comfort and release through the counselling. "Doing the best we can" is all any of us do. Even when we do shit things (and I'm not saying what you did was shit) - but in life in general, even when I make the world's biggest mistake - it's usually because I thought it was a good idea at the time. What is it they say? "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".

soppypreggyloon · 27/05/2011 12:54

Well I'm still plodding along doing bf as much as bearable and ff the rest.

We've since had dd's tongue tie snipped twice and went back to hospital for a third time. Turns out it had re grown again!!!!
We now need to see a specialist in Southampton so are going there on Sunday. He'll have a look and snip or whatever is needed. TBH tho I'm hanging on because I feel i should but I don't want to now. I'm going to bf till Sunday and unless I have a miraculous revelation of pain free bf then I'll be starting the quitting process on Monday.

Seems like bf has too many obstacles for me to keep doing it.

borrower I felt exactly the same first time round with ds - an emcs, then bf hell (same as this time). It almost pushed me over the edge. Hang in in there. It gets so much better and IMO food habits you develop in childhood have so much more bearing on later life etc than what sort of milk you drank for 6 months as a baby.
Still feel guilty tho! Think that's part of being a mum.

Whenisitmysleepytime · 03/06/2011 21:08

I am officially done! :(
Well will be once I can drop bf gradually without boobs exploding. (took 6 long weeks last time)

We took dd to Southampton last Sunday and the specialist confirmed she had a thick tt. He snipped it but advised that it may grow back again because it was so thick. We've been lifting her Tongue to try and prevent it but she HATES it and the specialist Sao it might not even work. The pain hasn't changed. Dd's feeding habits haven't changed. I am still spending a large chunk of the nights crying because it hurts and I'm tired and she won't settle easily and I'll have to do I all again soon.

So I'm out. We are already doing 3 ff a day so will be dropping bf every 5 or less days.

I'm just hoping that dd's Tt won't have re grown and she'll be able to poke her Tongue out etc.

I know ff isn't the end of the world. Ds was fine on it blah blah blah. But it doesn't stop me feeling selfish that I'm stopping for my benefit. I'll get I've it but I'll bet every mum feels bad for a while once they decide to switch to ff. Just another thing to add to the box of mum guilt.

Hope everyone's good and ff is working for you!

AlpinePony · 11/06/2011 06:34

bumpety-bumpety-bump.

How is it going whenis? I have absolutely no experience with the exploding boobs, when I made the decision to stop trying they didn't even murmer. Seriously, I didn't need to do anything ! Confused

bigkidsmademe · 11/06/2011 07:10

Hello everyone

I'm writing this from hospital, I've just had an ovary removed and it has meant the end of bf for me. I'm on morphine so not allowed to feed DS when he visits and can't really sit up straight enough to pump much. I'll be in for a while too.

He's had a bottle of formula at night since 3 weeks old, two bottles a day for the last week, and after a rough start I'm proud I got to five months feeding. But that is with my rational brain. My emotional side is so upset I didn't make it to six months. Silly, isn't it, as if one month will make much difference. Still :(

Whenisitmysleepytime · 11/06/2011 11:42

alpine thanks. It's going ok but I'm quite site although not as leaky as last time. Got so sore yesterday I couldnt hold dd (who is only 11lb) against my chest! But when I pumped I only got about 1oz which is half as much as a few days ago and that's only doing 3-4 mins each side.
Am happy with ff but sad I ended up hating bf with a passion.

bigkids well done for 5 months!!!!! Rationally I'm sure 4 wks out of 26 makes v little difference but I remember how sad I was that my aim of 6months and the reality of 6 wks were so different. It sounds like you've got enough to do with recovering from your op so cut yourself some slack and enjoy other people feeding dd while you recover! (a major benefit of ff in my book)

bigkidsmademe · 11/06/2011 12:05

Thanks whenis. Just spoke to the consultant and they didn't remove the ovary in the end, managed to get the cysts out without. So that's good. I know five months is good, DH and my mum keep telling me to be proud of myself, especially as DS is 98th centile! I just feel like I'm not fighting enough to carry on. I think I secretly want to stop and I'm feeling guilty.

Fishandjam · 17/06/2011 14:41

Hello! Newbie here - previously I didn't have the courage to join Mumsnet as I thought you'd all eat me alive, but faint heart never f*ed a pig, as one of my old bosses used to say.

I so wish I'd seen this thread last year, when my DS was tiny. I consider myself a failed BFer, even though I made it to 4.5 months. Very briefly, here's what happened: DS was born by forceps after induced labour because I was suffering from pre-eclamptic liver failure (which had gone undiagnosed) at 38 weeks. He failed to feed properly and had a terrible latch, despite all the midwives telling me to persist, and developed dehydration and jaundice which meant he needed light therapy and bottle feeding. I started expressing then, which was a relief because feeding him had become so appallingly painful, I would be weeping every time I put him to the breast. Yet all the hospital staff told me that everything was fine, and ignored my pleas for help. I had to beg them to give him a cup feed one night as I knew things were wrong and was terrified he would become ill due to lack of food/fluids. Thinking back to that first week in hospital still upsets me badly, in fact I'm welling up as I type this.

As I'm a stubborn bugger, I decided to persist in expressing and finally - at 12 weeks - cracked BF. But then my milk supply failed at 18 weeks. (And before various folk tell me that "women think their milk's failed but it hasn't, etc", MINE DID - by that time I was under the care of a lactation consultant and she confirmed that despite fenugreek, domperidone, pumping round the clock and plenty of skin-to-skin etc, I was not producing enough. Probably as a result of erratic pumping/feeding in the early days.

The guilt I felt at giving my precious, darling son formula was horrendous. Even though I'm intelligent and can now look back with a measure of common sense, at the time I felt like a failure as a mother. I remember sitting in the mother and baby room at the hospital, feeding my baby from a bottle, looking at all the pictures of serene breastfeeding mums on the walls, and wanting to rip them down and trample on them. Cue hogwhimperingly nasty dose of PND, which didn't really go until 6 months post-partum.

I'm afraid I now blame the hospital staff for a lot of this. The support just wasn't there. I never saw the same midwife twice; there was no recognition of the severe health problems I'd gone through or the fact that the gigantic episiotomy made it really painful to feed sitting up (nobody showed me how to do it lying down until weeks later, when I got my wonderful LC). They all said his latch was fine when my shredded nipples were testimony to the fact it clearly wasn't. His dehydration was due to the fact he'd not been feeding well, yet nobody picked up on it until almost too late. When I left, there was no advice on how to cope when I got home. There was also no advice whatever on how to safely FF. Luckily my HV was wonderful - not judgmental at all, and very helpful on both the practicalities and the emotional side of things.

Anyway - and sorry for this turning into War & Peace! - my manifesto for helping mums like me is as follows:

  • dedicated LC in maternity wards, so that mums having BF problems see the same person (and that the person they see is someone with specialist knowledge)
  • hospital-grade pumps to hire and take home from the hospital. I mucked about with a single-sided Medela job for weeks, until I realised it wouldn't do and had to schlep 20 miles to hire a decent one.
  • greater recognition by healthcare professionals of the possible dangers of breastfeeding when things aren't going well
  • healthcare professionals actually listening to new mums' concerns, and not just dismissing them with an airy "everything's fine, just carry on"
  • better information on how to safely FF. New parents shouldn't have to be hitting Google for this!

Thanks for listening to me rant ladies ;-)