Black women's message to the royal family: I believe Meghan **title edited by MNHQ at the OP's request**

[Detanglinghairtonight]

I name changed, I am a black woman and request primarily black women to send a message in support of Meghan to the royal family. We do not have to explain why we believe Meghan, this is a safe space/board for us.
post edited by MNHQ at the OP's request

I believe her.

I believe her. And also I'm glad that despite being probably very aware of the potential for negative backlash, she told the truth of her experience and shared it in a calm, dignified and fair manner (she could have divulged MUCH more info IMO and I applaud her for being so reserved)

I think people are angry with her because she's deconstructing the public's "perfect" view of the RF and deep down I think people suspect that she's telling the truth and that enrages them further

There are absolutely racist undertones to denying her experiences of race being a conversation within the RF. Who is anyone to say whether she personally experience that to be racist?

FWIW - we have mixed race DC, I can certainly say from experience that members of my own family expressed "concerns" over the colour of my baby's skin but my OH and I also quipped about what our kids would look like. You can absolutely tell the difference between curiosity and "concerns". I 100% believe her

@DeeCeeCherry

Sorry Quaagars just realised you were quoting someone else, same sentiment stands anyway

No worries

White woman here. I believe Meghan.

I'm a white woman and I believe her, not just about the racism either. I've just watched the interview now and it made me so sad for her. I also saw a post on Facebook (Oprah touched on it with a couple of points) about all of the things her and Kate have done, Kate gets praised for it in the press and Meghan gets pulled to shreds. I hope her and Harry find peace.

I believed her too. The suggestion that her in-laws made the skin tone remark in a "loving way" is hilarious. Grasp at those straws.

I don't usually post on here, but it's been said upthread. that you didn't mind today. I'm sorry for the shit and bullying you receive for having this space. I honestly don't know wtf is up with some people. And why does MN allow this? Not exactly "in the spirit" is it?

I don’t think the Queen would be so tone-deaf as to put out/approve a statement basically gaslighting/saying “you are not believed”.

The statement said “ ... whilst some recollections vary, they are taken very seriously ... “. And then added that the matter will be investigated.

I don’t think this meant that H&M were not telling the truth vs what someone in the family recalls. I think that alluded to investigations will take place, with the need to understand what and WHEN such comments were made. IE, Megan said they were made when she was pregnant, but Harry said the concerns were raised at the start of the relationship. So, the allegations are bloody important, but to investigate them then the recollections need to be verified/confirmed before trying to determine what was said and who said it.

TBF, it was a glaring “eh?” in the interview. NOT because a comment should be excused/explained away - but because there was a large time disparity in when the comment was made. So, are the palace investigating who said what when they first got together, or who said what when Meghan was expecting?

I would have rather they named and shamed with who/when/what - but I understand that is my preference as I would rather form my perceptions of people irl based on facts, but it’s not my “right” to demand that of others. But I also am uncomfortable with the not naming them as it would be “damaging’ - because this has now resulted in thousands of comments, over multiple platforms, with people asserting who the racist comment came from. Racists should be called out, definitely. But insinuating in the way it was done is not helpful to anyone.

I'm black and I believe her. I believe her because I wasn't surprised; given the difference in protection by the Palace and relentless hounding by the press I'm grateful she was in a position to-do what so many of us can't afford to do at work or socially.

When it started to touch her son, she drew a line, prioritised her emotional wellbeing and walked away. There's power and an amazing example in retaining her self respect even at high cost.

Even better all those people who told her to leave if she wasn't happy are frothing that she dared leave an abusive relationship. The anger is because they thought she'd be too grateful and powerless to walk away.

Now she's an example to brown kids and grown ups. You don't have to take it. You can walk away and still be happy.

I believe her

And the press here (and elsewhere, but we can’t enforce what they do) seriously need to be overhauled. Not only with regards to the tone that they report in, but also with the public comments that permeate so many articles. Freedom of speech is one thing, but the comments to articles on online news sites are not moderated nearly enough.

Hope It's ok to post. I'm white and I believe her.

Why would anyone make up such a painful and hurtful lived experience?

The absolute avalanche of racism on mumsnet threads about Meghan, demonstrates how vilely racist so many people are. I have no doubts at all that that extends up to the Royal Family.

It's bloody sickening and similarly serious claims would not be doubted for a second if Meghan and Harry were both white.

I am sick of having to call people out on my social media for the bollocks that is white people claiming that being accused of racism is as bad as being on the receiving end of racism. God knows how people on the receiving end of the racism feel, having to fight and navigate this unending cesspit of shite.

YY to white feminists "othering" BAME women and, because it suits their pet cause, siding with racist men to further their agenda. It's throwing BAME women under the bus and saying feminism for them is an afterthought.

Apologies if I have offended anyone or said any of that badly. I am just fucking raging about it all.

I’m white. Meghan is not my cup of tea nor is Harry - I’ve previously considered them crass and grandiose, but I believe her, without caveat. I also think that the backlash from her interview has proven her allegations more effectively than anything else that’s happened.

@plumpuddisnice

I believe her. To be honest I surprised the RF even allowed H to marry M. I was in disbelief right until the wedding.

As if an institution built on the colonisation people theft, trafficking and pillaging of most of the world is not built on racism. Come on.

I'm mixed race.

Absolutely this. I'm surprised anyone doesn't think the Royal Family have racist views- they after all have been 'chosen by god' as better than all of us I'm not at all surprised by what Meghan said and I'm glad she came forward. If the monarchy carries on then they need to understand that this sort of behaviour has no place going forward. William and Kate made sure the 'rules' were adjusted for Their children in terms of successes and sex. I'd really like to see them now get involved with this issue and ensure when the time is right Archie is made a Prince that so can be proud of.

@Ratched

I believe that she believes. I don't necessarily believe. But I believe that she believes.

That is one of the worst things I have read. Total and utter gaslight. Horrible.

How anyone can look at UK papers, tabloids and the others over the past few years, and think it is not true is beyond me. She got a lovely (shameful) British package of racisim, misogyny, sexisim, classisim.

The other women who married in there in my lifetime got the same package with out the racisim - misogyny, sexisim, and in the case of Middelton classisim.

I’m white. Meghan is not my cup of tea nor is Harry - I’ve previously considered them crass and grandiose, but I believe her, without caveat. I also think that the backlash from her interview has proven her allegations more effectively than anything else that’s happened

^^^ with the exception that I’m not white - this is what I’ve be trying to say on this an other thread but you said it so succinctly. Thank you for helping me neatly express my thoughts!

Eg Meghan said they “ got married” three days before the wedding- they didn’t they had a private blessing. Some people will think that if they can enhance that what else can be enhanced. This seems to be the arguments that people at work were saying today. Only a straw poll admittedly but interesting behind the reasoning.
She’s a modern spiritual type. This was probably technically incorrect but also said in complete truth as she felt this quiet blessing was the real moment of union declared between two spirits type thing. So that was the marriage as a concept, not a legal definition.

I'm sure she's copped some. Don't understand her going for H though..there's photos of him in a Nazi uniform, on record using racial slurs to s junior army rank. Why isn't he apologising for that publicly??

Its so hard not to engage. Methinks the squatters should go back to their vitriolic pages and congregate there. You are not welcome here

If this was asking for white people’s views it would be seen as racism what is the difference because it’s asking for black people?

The answer is the same reason Mumsnet exists primarily for women not men.

Anyway I believe her.

Why would she lie? I’ve asked this to several people and the answer has always been the well-worn “manipulative attention-seeker who wants to destroy the royal family” which just doesn’t cut it for me.

I'm not sure if that was aimed at me or a cross post. My point is that it should be H getting flack not M. He's the one that has proven racist actions and words. Marrying someone mixed race doesn't mean you can be racist...he has been.

I believe her, wholeheartedly and without caveat.

The subtle and not so subtle racism (and classism and jingoism and snobbery) on the royal boards and other threads is sickening, though unsurprising.