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Black women's message to the royal family: I believe Meghan **title edited by MNHQ at the OP's request**

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Detanglinghairtonight · 11/03/2021 17:45

I name changed, I am a black woman and request primarily black women to send a message in support of Meghan to the royal family. We do not have to explain why we believe Meghan, this is a safe space/board for us.
post edited by MNHQ at the OP's request

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C130 · 11/03/2021 20:19

So are people saying that they do not believe Harry then? He was the one who had the conversation with whoever it was. I believe it happened. I believe it was asked as assurance of some kind, that hopefully the baby would not be too dark skinned. If Harry said he was shocked, than to me that does not sound like the question was asked out of idle curiosity. I do not see why he should name the person in question. I think he is right not to.

Turtles45 · 11/03/2021 20:21

I don’t believe H or M.

Itreallyistimetochangethings · 11/03/2021 20:21

@Rege

Can you not guess? I'm sure there's more than one racist in the RF, but one is absolutely known for it.

Harry has already established that the racist you are thinking of is not them. The only other well known racist in that family isn’t very popular with the Senior royals and rather unlikely. Personally, I think it’s either Charles or William or perhaps Anne but a bit less likely.

I think it's Charles. I could believe that William may not say it openly to Harry as they are slightly more aware just because of his age and mothers influence, but I can see Charles talking to Harry like this and thinking it is acceptable. I believe William would think twice only because Meghan is with Harry and not because he thinks it's an unkind topic to discuss.
BIWI · 11/03/2021 20:22

Why not @Turtles45?

Rege · 11/03/2021 20:25

@Itreallyistimetochangethings I agree. I’ve also lost all respect for William, he’s completely spineless.

MrsMackesy · 11/03/2021 20:27

@Topmum66

if you don’t believe MM is that taken as automatic racism?
I'm not implying anything. This sort of discussion.

I think it is important not to derail the thread and in this area of MN.

NeedanIdea · 11/03/2021 20:29

I believe Meghan.

It's funny when Diana did her big interview/exposé no-one said they didn't believe her, did they? I don't remember anyone calling Diana a liar. Her experiences were never questioned or denied at all.

Porseb · 11/03/2021 20:31

I believe her - as a person who is not white, I have experienced racism, overt or otherwise in this country.

On so many threads in Mumsnet, posters seem not able to grasp that you might have a different experience based on your cultural background and skin tone. Happens on those Brexit threads where European mumsnetters are shouted down and told they are wrong because they don't view issues through the same "English-centric lens."

Itreallyistimetochangethings · 11/03/2021 20:32

@Tal45

I'll believe her as soon as she names the perpetrator instead of protecting a racist bigot and thus puts and end to the unnecessary gossip and speculation.
Why should she name the person !?... She spoke and then I think she wished she had not said anything but confirmed Harry told her this. Harry then came on to say the conversations were with him - so why would you want Meghan to come out and say who it was and instead look to turn it around and blame her for the somebody making racist comments about her unborn child. I would personally not name the person - Harry and that person know who they are - even if they do name the person many people would still say they don't believe them. So unless that person admits it they will not be believed by many people such as yourself as it is still their word against the royal racist!
ChequerBoard · 11/03/2021 20:32

I believe her absolutely. Those minimising and shouting about 'context' should be ashamed.

I found the 'recollections may vary' comment in the RF statement shocking. With all the layers of people that would have vetted that statement before it was released, why could none of them see just how wrong it was?

Rege · 11/03/2021 20:35

Also, the media didn’t hate Diana, what led to her death was their crazed fan obsession with her. Meghan is hated by the media and they would love her dead including many on those MN threads. They won’t stop until they either: Break up the marriage or Meghan dies.

Lineofconcepcion · 11/03/2021 20:36

I don't think either of them are well and mental health issues have the habit of polarising things.

I think she believes everything she has said, but I'm afraid I don't.

AirportLounge · 11/03/2021 20:38

I believe you, Meghan ❤️

Orchidflower1 · 11/03/2021 20:39

@Rege

Can you not guess? I'm sure there's more than one racist in the RF, but one is absolutely known for it.

Harry has already established that the racist you are thinking of is not them. The only other well known racist in that family isn’t very popular with the Senior royals and rather unlikely. Personally, I think it’s either Charles or William or perhaps Anne but a bit less likely.

Princess Michael is notorious but not important enough I feel to not say anything.

It’s been made clear that it’s not the queen or prince Phillip- again he is well known for putting his foot in his mouth about all manner of things racist or otherwise.

I think it’s Charles - it has to be somebody central to the family.

BIWI · 11/03/2021 20:40

@ChequerBoard

I found the 'recollections may vary' comment in the RF statement shocking. With all the layers of people that would have vetted that statement before it was released, why could none of them see just how wrong it was?

Given how much statements from the palace are vetted, this absolutely was said deliberately. It was not an oversight.

NeedanIdea · 11/03/2021 20:42

I wrote this on another thread. I really think William and Kate should have done more to defend Meghan against the press. The fact they did nothing just shows them up for who they are IMO. So much for the 'fab four':

W&K could have released a statement to the press to lay off Meghan at the time like Harry did, to tell them to stop with the racist commentary, but they didnt. Perhaps Harry didn't feel supported by them. It would have been a really KIND gesture from them

They bang on about mental health yet they are both clearly clueless. M&H both needed help yet they got nothing from them

Frizzlington · 11/03/2021 20:44

I believe her and H, but don’t think you can make the whole RF out to be racists. Gut feeling is it’s likely to be one of the older royals. The key word was “concern” ie not just “interested” in what colour their child might be. They’ve said their piece so here’s hoping they disappear into the quiet life they seek.

Orchidflower1 · 11/03/2021 20:45

@Lineofconcepcion

I don't think either of them are well and mental health issues have the habit of polarising things.

I think she believes everything she has said, but I'm afraid I don't.

Totally both of them are unwell/ hopefully this will improve.

I think the issue with believing not just Meghan (but any person whether it be famous or otherwise) is the little lies and exaggerations.

Eg Meghan said they “ got married” three days before the wedding- they didn’t they had a private blessing. Some people will think that if they can enhance that what else can be enhanced. This seems to be the arguments that people at work were saying today. Only a straw poll admittedly but interesting behind the reasoning.

plumpuddisnice · 11/03/2021 20:49

@Itreallyistimetochangethings I agree too. I really can't see it being W due to his age. He really would understand that such a topic is unacceptable. C in the other hand 🤔

willibald · 11/03/2021 20:50

I'm not white, but I don't believe her about much of anything.

isitfridayyet1 · 11/03/2021 20:56

I believe them both. I really don't think Harry would invent a story about skin colour and tell Meghan so they could both lie on international tv. When you dissect it, the chances of that happening are so slim. A previous poster is spot on saying that Diana was not accused of lying when she told her story all those years ago, but now everything that M says is being second guessed.

Rege · 11/03/2021 21:02

Kate obviously has no conscience. How could she stand by watching for all theses yrs as Meghan was vilified by the press for doing something to her when infact it was Kate all along! Unbelievably entitled she is. She didn’t have to release a statement, she just d to show some solidarity with Meghan especially in public to ease the pain and suffering she was going through. The royal family could’ve released a statement saying there was no rift between the two women and Meghan had been nothing but o,Dasani to Kate without actually going into the actual details. Instead, they decided to keep quite and watch her reputation shredded to pieces. Harry must’ve been furious!

Rege · 11/03/2021 21:02

“Nothing but decent”

AnotherName1334 · 11/03/2021 21:04

So much for the 'fab four'

I have a feeling Kate hated this. Meghan's just come on the scene for all of 2 minutes and she's suddenly lauded as part of the fab four, working hard and showing her (Kate) up. I agree that them not saying anything in her defence especially when some false news was being spread about what Meghan did to Kate says a whole lot about Kate.

NeedanIdea · 11/03/2021 21:07

If people are saying she's lying are they also saying Harry's lying too, and that conversation didn't happen, because strangely enough I haven't read that

Exactly. Only Meghan's the liar.

Separately, no empathy on MN on how that must have made Meghan feel, hearing that they were discussing her skin colour (& baby's) behind her back, it's such a horrible feeling, no wonder she got depressed and suicidal, being surrounded by that.