The PESH Deli - The drinks might be virginal, but that's about all...

[CurlyCasper]

Come in, come in to the new haven for diffed BESHies. I think a group effort is needed here (and I'm being a lazy preggo), so please add to the deli whatever you crave/love/can stomach.

Nominations are also open for sexy fathers we can hijack to serve our mouldy cheese and cured ham

And the best mocktail recipe wins...well, bugger all to be honest

Cripes you don't log on for a coupla days and then you've a novel to read.

OK, let me try to remember everything:

ski's choice of sling - you may like it, you may find it's really uncomfortable. IME people either love or hate one sided slings. I hate them. But tip - keep it as tight as you can for most comfort. The connecta type is more my type - more support over the body.

Hadn't forgotten Little Possums cunty but thanks for the reminder.

iggs no microwave is VV posh - how do you cook your porridge FFS? .

twinslaydee wow @ lots of purchases. Mind you, you're a lot closer than use.

ski sorry to have to say this but you will be laying a baybee at some point and I personally am going to be going to NCT classes mostly for YOB's benefit, and also to try to get to know some more locals.

YOB and I went into Mothercare on the weekend and nearly fell over at the prices. We've dug out the cot he, his brother, his sister and his neices and nephew were all raised in (so it's, like, 46 years old) and I'm getting a new mattress for it from MAC's lurvely organic cotton mattress range () and not paying £300 for a new one.

It's probably lead lined but it didn't do them any harm other than YOB has various bits missing (nothing essential, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing cots), his brother is dead and his sister has MS so that's ok.

We're going to try to retrieve the travel system I had for LC, which a friend has but isn't using, and I have a changing table - no more stuff required, other than clothes and nappies which of course MAC will supply.

cas great news about baby fluffle movements. Very lovely! Who else is getting them?

Vag and skater how're you both feeling?

cunty I gave LC the MMR but - what - 4 years ago - and it was a terrible decision at the time as not much info was around re the DR Wakefield crappy paid for by people selling other vaccines crappy crap. Personally think he (and just as much the backers) should be hung, drawn and quartered and rolled into little balls of dung for the children who have died thanks to his "message". I hate vaccinations generally but still get them/give them to LC. As well as blueberries. One will work .

Oh and No Way do I want anyone lurking when I'm giving birth.

LC asked me whether I could please show him where the baby will come out of. I declined. He then asked that if he wasn't there when it arrived, could daddy please take photos of it coming out so he could see where it came from. Er-no.

Next time I'll just tell him that mummy's getting fat and then present him with the sibling in due course .

oh and ski, tell me about the something in your abdomen???

lol @ "laying a baybee"

Curly It was two short "taps" between bellybutton and pubes. Then nothing. I did fart afterwards but it hadn't felt like normal gas movement.

rots I didn't know you could do porridge in microwave?! I actually had porridge for breakfast

ski that is a properly bone fide baybee doing that in there. You can no longer deny it

iggs - love the sling thingy - particularly love the 'quick release buckles' - that has a baby/Hom interface disaster written all over it

iggy Porridge in the microwave is the best! Instantly done with no sticky pan.

rots Your bloody fb profile keeps crashing my browser. Please to walk through re-useable nappies with me. Jailbait is coming around to the idea but it all confuses me. The only thing which doesn't confuse me is that please to have funky colours - except your newborn set comes in cream only.

haha cunty D'you really think that's bone fide baybee stuff? Nothing since obviously.

I was reading in one of my books yesterday that it's very common for women not to believe they're pregnant until they feel it kick. The author essentially said "you're all mad, you got a positive piss-stick, you saw the scan, you've heard the heartbeat and you still don't believe it". Speaking of books - it has occurred to me that I have 2 pregnancy books but I don't know anything about baybees. Has anyone encountered a helpful baybee book yet? n.b., am not planning on bf'ing until child is doing 11+.

I stil don't believe mine is actual baby ski. I have had a lot of wind

SFF was disgusted at thought of natural nappies till he discovered the possibility of using liners as a compromise. "I don't want to have to scrape shit off the baby and the nappy", I quote.

I disagree - mine's been booting me for 4 whole days and I refuse to accept that it is a side effect of pregnancy . FWIW mine did it once the first day and I was a bit and then a couple more times the next day and now I just know when he's woken up, but they do sleep for 95% of the time and it depends where it's positioned as to whether you'll feel anything. I think in the first few weeks it's a matter of luck whether you feel it or not. But clearly I'm no expert...

I'm actually astonished at my capacity for self-delusion on a matter so important. It's like it's happening to someone else. Mind, most of my life feels like that...

Ref baybee book - try the mumsnet one - their pregnancy one I find quite helpful/down to earth. It's on Amazon.

ski I haz no idea on baybee books... but I haz seen people on here recommend one called Baby Love - which I think is australian? Or Dr Sears books? Am sure there are lots more recommended on here - I think there is a whole fred fairly recently on the subject...

Bloke has a book called 'blokes guide to babies' which assumes all menz are sport playing/following tossers who spend every waking moment in the pub wiv their mates. But if you ignore that side to it - it's ok...

On the subject of BFing - I asked my mum how long she did and she was all sheepish and said 'ooh probably far too long' so i pressed and she said about 8 months... which made me laugh given all the freds on here

Curly That I think is jailbait's problem, he thinks it's going to be poo up the walls etc. He also said "yeh but there will be pooey nappies waiting to go in the washing machine", I explained that there will be pooey nappies (disposable) in the bin alternatively... I've just been rather annoyed though looking at one website explaining them which says to flush the liner down the loo - doesn't that go against the grain of eco-friendly?

cunty I just had a look on the dutch website and could only see the pregnancy/toddler one for mumsnet - didn't realise they had a baybee one too.

I think cheggers is possibly winning on the delusion front, that is if we haven't completely gone and lost vag who may have taken up sky-diving or something like that.

Considering how long it took me to pick a pregnancy book - who knows when I will ever pick a baby one... I obsessed about not getting something nuts...

ski you can get paper liners which are just like toilet paper, and I assume you put that down the loo covered in shit? Non?

Need explanation of nippa V popper V velcro - please?

Is usually on the front page of mumsnet ski but if you want one I can order it and ship it over to you if you give me a tenner want

Curly Ah OK, that makes more sense - I thought they were talking about something more like sanitary pads.

Cunty You is lovely and everyfink - I can always use play.com - they seem the friendliest, amazon are rip-off bastards who have a very dubious policy on listing LGB books.

This fred amused me...

I likes the way people are getting arsey about the allergies comment. I fink I is bored...

ouch! Best off staying out of that one iggy!
I must go, have someone dreadfully dull coming to see me now...

cossie I has posted the link to that sling website on annuva fred - hope that iz ok wiv you.

We have a book which we have used A LOT - What to Expect: The First Year. It is the UK version of an American book. Still a bit American but it's actually the most intelligent and useful reference book we found. We used all the time, like in the middle of the night to check illness symptoms. It presents a balanced summary of research on any contentious issues and leaves you to decide from an informed position, which I like.

Speaking of books, we haven't had any discussion about GF on this thread yet... and isn't it about time for a bit of controversy?

I have never read a GF book - so can't comment but i don't actually plan on reading one either...

GF? ???

Oh hang on, is that the one who knows it all, but whom we are not allowed to talk about on MN? Wasn't aware of her until very recently and had to Google...

Yes, my advice is AVOID! I have no intention of ever looking at one. A friend who had a baby at the same time as me told me she had bought one in desperation then ended up in tears for days because it was so patronising and horrid that she was convinced she was the most hopeless mother on earth. She of course is actually a brilliant mother. Nasty, confidence-sapping book! But I have another friend who uses some of the GF techniques (within reason) and she is also a brilliant mother. So who am I to judge? Just not for me. (And I think the correct Mumsnet view is no comment.)

"What to expect...." Ok, but very americanised.

"Conception, Pregnancy and Birth" by Miram Stoppard - Uber patronising.

NHS book, book from private scan people, Emma's Diary and Bounty book all read cover to cover and STILL NOT ENOUGH.

I like to read about everything
and even Google is not satisfying my urge to know all the gory details of pregnancy and birth.

So maybe I should buy the MN book... If only to have something different on the coffee table.