The PESH Deli - The drinks might be virginal, but that's about all...

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Come in, come in to the new haven for diffed BESHies. I think a group effort is needed here (and I'm being a lazy preggo), so please add to the deli whatever you crave/love/can stomach.

Nominations are also open for sexy fathers we can hijack to serve our mouldy cheese and cured ham

And the best mocktail recipe wins...well, bugger all to be honest

Now we need vag to come and cut the ribbon, please

I fort we woz allowed virtual booze - none of this mocktail shiz...

I have a SF question... so.. are they still vaccinating people? And who haz had it?

You prob already know I am not..

I am here! I found it!

My day is like a comedy scene from a cartoon. We have a mouse. I have been chasing it around the house, determined to put a trap where it has to pass. It keeps poking its face out from behind a sofa or chair, and I think "A ha!" and move the trap. But I think it has defeated me at last. It just made a dash across the room to the safety of behind the washing machine in the kitchen. Bugger. I am so seek of thees!

Realise this make me sound as though I live in a rat-infested hovel.

Ooooh Ponymum - you know meese is not solitary critters right? Where there's a mouse there will be moose! But normally just a wee family, not billions! Borrow a cat?

iggy I haz not been asked to have one so haz not had an opportunity to refuse it yet.

I am contributing to the PESH deli:

V salty butter
Jacobs cream crackers
Emmental (French this week)
Romblou
Goat's brie

Goats brie?!

pone I saw a mouse in our kitchen 2 weeks ago - we have put traps and poison everywhere

iggs That's why mocktail recipes win bugger all. They is well boring! Plenty of booze in the virtual drinks, rest assured.

pony I had a mouse in a student house. We played chase in the living room. Every time it went under the sofa I wheeled that out, then it would go under armchair and I'd wheel that out (v quickly mind). This went on and on, and every time I would see the wee thing dash between hiding places... until, this one time, there was no flash of gray I looked and realised I had squashed Mrs Mouse dead under a sofa wheel. Horrible but hilarious. My flatmate was a bit sad when I told her, cause I'd just move in and apparently it had been there for a while. RIP Minnie.

iggs I've not had it and was going to ask MW when I finally see her (especially given my shitty immunity at the mo). But I saw that someone said your dad/doc had advice on SF - what was that advice, cos I missed it?

PESH deli also needs a sweet section. My inspiration for additions to the range comes directly from what I scoffed yesterday:

• Liquorice allsorts
• Peanut M&Ms

(Incidentally, you will find ridiculous advice somewhere that both are these should not be eaten during pg. Think I'll eat some more now...)

ski Yes, the thing that pisses me off most is that we have already caught two of the leetle basterds. Then this one brazenly runs across the carpet in front of me in broad daylight! My child eats off that floor! Hmmph!

My consultant did say that I should wait until 15 weeks either way - then I spoke to him again and he said 'did you know France has sold all their vaccines' and that he prob wouldn't bother if he was me...

My Dad is not a fan of flu vacs anyway - but that is separate!

lol @ "my child eats off that floor!" We weree just discussing last night how we're going to have to keep an eye on Julian because if he drops anything it's going to be snaffled by the hounds. The poor little bugger will probably be desperately underweight and all the while the dogs will be giving us sad eyes.

Curly Me too. Want egg & soldiers NOW!

Sexy dad = Johnny Depp Shirley? Although tbf he wins sexiest everything.

Jebus Christ! How did I forget Mr Depp. Can we have him? Puh-leeeeeeeeeeeessse?

I had the jab. Tried not to think about it too much, just did it. I figured that millions of stupid people do what the doctor tells them, so just because I am brainy and capable of carrying out a proper assessment and making my own decision doesn't mean I have to, does it? And this way the responsibility is theirs, not mine if it turns out to be the wrong decision. I have enough preggy guilt as it is, what with the peanut M&Ms an' all.

pone I don't fink is bad decision at all - I just was wondering whether SF is big prob at the mo or not... seems not so much - but maybe I am wrong?

ski Yeah, once they start crawling your head spins a bit at the hygiene issues. Overnight you go from obsession over sterilising bottles (did that teat touch the benchtop after I sterilised it? noooo!) to watching them crawl across the manky kitchen floor before shoving their hands in their mouth along with anything interesting they found along the way. She's still alive so far.

iggs I understand there is quite low risk of catching SF. But the reason they are making a fuss is that the consequences for diffed laydeez are markedly more serious than the general population. From my boring corporate days, risk assessment = probability of event x seriousness of consequences. I guess this is more about the latter.

@ dogs having Princess Di eyes.

I asked about SF jab yesterday at dox - MW said oh just make an appt at reception . I asked her if she thought it was wholly necessary and she said it was entirely my decision. So I decided I couldn't be arsed to stand in the queue of hollering fishwives at the reception desk and made my way home.

She did say, oh well you are perfectly healthy, and I didn't know whether that meant 'you'll cope with the jab fine', or 'SF won't adversely affect you if you get it'. In any case, with my job and shiz I keep track of the number of Dibble that go down with SF and it's miniscule. Ergo I reason that I am at minimal risk myself. Ergo I Shall Not Bother.

well, I have been offered the SF jab, not as a preggo, but as a woman with Rheumatoid Arthritis. A couple of deaths in the States were women with RA as an underlying condition. Now, the risk could be because most RA drugs lower your immune system. I'm not on said drugs anymore, so might not actually face that risk. But my immunity does seem to have been pathetic in pregnancy

I am on a SF committee at work, and we've not had much yet. But it's likely that if it does strike properly here it will spread like wildfire (I work with students who like to share every possible bodily fluid then wipe their grubby mits on surfaces/papers I have to touch and SF does survive a while on paper)

So using pony's risk assessment formula, I probably should have it. But there's still a fair bit of me that wonders, with me generally being a medical nightmare, if the jab itself will screw me over.

so for now, undecided = unprotected

Hey ladies! Love what you've done with the place!

Still can't quite get my head round it all so it's just a flying visit today again. And I have a Question.

At how many weeks did you tell your parents? And did you tell both sets at the same stage? I sort of want to tell my Mum (for someone else to talk to about it all) but feel it's too early to talk about it to TSF's parents.

Ski - da man from CBD, he say 2-3wks. Which means 5 weeks according to my font of all knowledge - a RL friend who has been stalking following me around the Palace while she waits to TTC#2 (H - if you are here - out yourself!!) Those test things are great - but I am glad I saved it for this time, it was wonderful to see the P word flash up and not some line that may or may not be there.

SF - argh! Another decision!

I guess I also need to see DR at some point. Think I'll wait until next week just in case it all falls out over the weekend.

VAG We blurted it around 7 weeks I think... couldn't wait any longer! We were more cautious than other PESHies because it took me a couple of weeks to realise that it wasn't going anywhere... I think jailbait told his mum pretty much straight away (she trained as a nurse and has three kids) because he wanted her to know in case I needed to talk to anyone. Cheggers is queen of the stiff upper lip, she didn't tell anyone until a day before her EDD - or something like that. I still don't know how she managed to explain her hospitalisation...

Oh noes! RL people following you here? eeek!

Told my mum (and therefore my dad, brother and SIL) the day I tested positive - she knew we were trying and was desperately waiting for news. We're pretty close in that way.

He initially wanted to tell his parents at Christmas, but within a week or two was desperate to tell someone, so rang them.

Then we went public after the early scan, cos we are both rubbish with secrets.

I don't see any harm in telling close family straight away.

VAG We told family at about 8 weeks, but first time around I remember we waited until after we had the scan at 15 weeks. You need someone to talk to though. I told my sister in confidence before the rest of the family.

And btw, my advice to avooid the 15 week scan problem - get a few things out of the way quickly in case you are in a busy area. See the GP, book a midwife appt (they usually won't see you until 7-8 weeks but push for the early end of that) then once you have seen the midwife she will put you on the list for the 12 week scan at your chosen hospital. This will avoid the sress of being on a waiting list and having your scan late, which is happened to us last time. We had moved house and didn't realise the order of things we had to do, and nobody told us.

ski Are we not going to discuss the merits of forceps vs ventouse?

VAG dis is wot I did:

Round 1 (babyfail) - told my parents straight away as they force feed me booze on a regular basis. decided to have early scan at just after 7 weeks - decided to tell in inlaws after that - obv never did cos it was = fail.

Round 2 (current situation): told my parents straight away, but again decided to wait for 1st scan at 8 weeks for in laws. Told in laws after first scan. Tolds entire world um just now really...

thanks ladies - RL stalker friend said early scan was good too. Certainly would be good to know sooner not later - have all sorts of things planned for later in the year that I am trying to amend/wriggle out of without telling people why. Would quite like to tell Mum & Dad but can understand why it wouldn't be fair to not tell ILs too. Somethng to chat to TSF about properly this weekend.

Can't tell sister before parents - she has a history of getting massively over-excited about things, telling Mum then swearing her to secrecy too..... Bless.

I don't mind RL stalker friend at all - she was the one who introduced me to MN and I did tell her my username which I didn't have to. If I nag her enough she might come and play at the BESH-Palace.

VAG I gave bloke the opion of when to tell his mum - it was his choice to wait - not mine..