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October 2005 Chatterboxes - nr. 4!

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SusiS · 30/05/2005 16:47

there you go ...

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fastasleep · 16/06/2005 12:14

Ohhh Hester it's bilateral talipes? That's what my friend's baby has. I thought they were different conditions! As I said she's a lovely happy wee thing and she crawls all over the place in her casts... I hope the scan goes well today, I know how scared you must be feeling I went through the last 19 weeks of my last preg knowing that my baby would be operated on, it's just always there niggling away at you .. Keeping my eyes open for updates xxx

Joseyjo · 16/06/2005 13:06

As promised, I have put together info from the stats thread and the sex info (g/b not y/n obviously!). If you are missing completely or there is info missing then please let me know and I will add it in:

Due Nickname Age Baby no. Sex
02-Oct SusiS 36 2 Girl
05-Oct Bonniej 33 3 Girl
05-Oct Joseyjo 27 2 Secret
07-Oct Morningpaper 30 2 ??Girl??
08-Oct Jovolett 23 1 Boy
19-Oct Triceratops 32 2 Girl
23-Oct Fastasleep 18 2 Girl
26-Oct Mawbroon 33 1 Boy
Nervousmum2be Boy
Hester Girl

There are lots more of us I am sure so either add your info to the stats thread or plonk it on here and I will add it in. Sad aren't I?

triceratops · 16/06/2005 13:30

Joseyjo - have you not just given yourself away with the colour of babygrows on another thread?

jessicasmummy · 16/06/2005 13:31

which thread... quick!

triceratops · 16/06/2005 13:32

Although that could be a red herring of course!

triceratops · 16/06/2005 13:36

The name of the thread gives it away really. Although she could have been buying baby clothes for a completely different and unrelated baby

Joseyjo · 16/06/2005 13:37

triceratops - don't be mean!!! actually it was a generically helpful remark to a fellow mner!! feel free to keep guessing though as it is keeping me entertained....

Jockey · 16/06/2005 14:12

Good list JoseyJo - add me in:-

12-Oct Jockey 40 4 girl

Nearly lied about my age but thought better of it!

I promise not to try and find that other thread....

triceratops · 16/06/2005 18:18

Joseyjo it is only another few weeks before we all find out for sure! I wonder if anyone has ever been told the sex at the scan and then had a big surprise.

I have just bought a baby book to stick all my scan piccies in, and it is pink so she had better be a she otherwise she is likely to be a bit disgruntled.

People keep asking me what names I am thinking of. I have been telling people that we were going for Edwina as is it such a feminine name that way they will think the name we do choose eventually is brilliant by comparison. (apologies to anyone who is seriously thinking of naming their new daughter Edwina).

ButtonMoon · 16/06/2005 20:02

Seen mw today and heard baby again-she said it sounded like a horse and that meant it was a particular sex!?! The other sounds like a train!?! Bizarre!!! Had bad pains again yesterday, stretching ligaments ache and still having broken sleep-but not going to keep complaining-still enjoying the movement and hiccups Other than that feel blooming Bought some some lovely very comfy linen trousers from H&M today-can see them getting a LOT of wear.

Stats for ButtonMoon
13th oct
Waiting for a suprise!!
Baby no.2
Age 29

jessicasmummy · 16/06/2005 20:03

i wish i could remember what they said about the horse/train sex thing.... i honestly cant remember!

ButtonMoon · 16/06/2005 20:06

I always thought it was down to how fast the heartbeat is. My mw cousin says anything over 150 bpm is a girl, boys are slower. DD's were always around the 160-165 mark when I got hooked up to the monitor when I had a bleed mid pregnancy. Don't know whether there is any truth in it though! Just have to keep guessing, only 4 months to wait....it's fun trying to think of 2 names and choosing 2 sets of coming home clothes!!

jessicasmummy · 16/06/2005 20:25

18 weeks to go..... and counting!

Jess's heartbeat was always 155-165, this one at my last appointment was 145.... potentially a boy then!!!

hester · 16/06/2005 21:59

Hi all. Dinosaur - how very kind of you to get in touch; I will definitely CAT you. Fastasleep - thanks honey, that's really reassuring to hear.

Well, I went to the Fetal Medicine Centre today. They spent an hour and a half just scanning me - nothing if not thorough! They confirmed bilateral talipes i.e. two club feet. One side was quite mild, but they can't really tell till after the birth. They very carefully examined everything else (and I mean EVERYTHING else - how is it possible to spend 90 minutes looking at one tiny scrap of baby?!) and all looks fine.

I of course want to protect my baby from absolutely everything, but it is terribly reassuring to hear from mumsnetters that it needn't be a big problem - and I am grateful that they haven't found any serious problems. I'm also very glad to have found out now, rather than at the birth: we'll know what to expect and it gives me several weeks to do research on treatment options etc - which wouldn't be so easy with a newborn.

But I do feel very wobbly and anxious, which wasn't helped by the post-scan discussion with the doctor. I don't blame her for giving me the full information - I wanted to know all the risks - but blimey it was scary. First of all she offered me an abortion (for talipes! I'm very pro-choice but blimey!). then she warned me that they don't know the cause of it, but it may be linked to a range of chromosomal abnormalities and genetic defects and I should consider myself at higher risk. She then offered me an amnio, but warned that this will only detect some of those possible defects, not all. She did say the risks were low, and was careful to offer the amnio rather than recommend it. The third option she offered was to have an amnio at 30+ weeks, with the option of having a termination at that time (I was open-mouthed, thinking, 'But I just couldn't terminate a baby at over 30 weeks!').

She sent me away to think about it, but right now I can't really think that amnio is a plausible option. I can't take the miscarriage risk before viability (at my age, this is my last chance) and I can't picture choosing abortion after viability. I believe the risks she was describing are low, and I'm going to try to put them in the same mental package as all those scary things that could do wrong that we DON'T get screened for.

However, I do feel a bit freaked that they now want to monitor me much more closely, and I am going back for another scan next month (because any growth retardation could be a sign of chromosomal/genetic problems). I really thought they would tell me that the talipes can't be helped, but apart from that the pregnancy is normal and no need to worry. Monthly scans are really going to keep my anxiety levels up.

Sorry for going on at length - I just feel so drained and emotional at the moment. Will feel better soon, I'm sure.

hester · 16/06/2005 22:03

And another thing...

Blinkin' oafs on the tube this morning! I stood strap-hanging above four strapping men, all of them copping a look at my huge tum and not one offered me a seat. Eventually one got off and I sat down. then a REALLY pregnant woman got on, and none of them got up for her either! So I stood up and said, loudly and pointedly, 'Please take my seat - you're even more pregnant than I am'. she sat down and they all stared at me like I was a freak - they still didn't offer me a seat! I tell you, I was tempted to ask them what their mothers could say if she saw them, because mine would decide I'm still not too old for a slap round the back of the knees...

btw joseyjo, I'm due 21st october. And jockey, you can feel youthful and lithe in comparison because I am - ahem - 41.

SusiS · 16/06/2005 22:09

hester, don't be sorry to go into detail! i was about to ask anyways
glad that you've got such a positive attitude and you are so right!!! it's not worth the risk esp since they say it probably won't be anything else! and the additional scan should show anyways ... IF ....! ((((hugs to you))))

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jessicasmummy · 17/06/2005 00:21

Hi Hester,

Dont worry about your post, glad you feel a bit more settled now.

Can't believe she offered you a termination.... at this stage?! Its a proper little baby!!!

Hope it is just the club feet and not anything else, and im racing you to which one of us drops first - im due 21st october too!

jessicasmummy · 17/06/2005 00:42

QUICK QUESTION....

.... how high up your tummy are you feeling your kicks now?

.... just the last few days, mine are about 2 inches above my belly button!!!!!

Elf1981 · 17/06/2005 07:28

Morning all!
Hester - sorry to hear that the doctor worried you so much. I think sometimes there is a problem of them over-informing people about potential problems. Did sit eyes wide about the abortion at 30 weeks - isn't a baby considered viable at 24 weeks?! A friend of mine was told that her baby could have this that and the other and she had amnio. Luckily no problems and carried to term, and baby was perfectly fine. My friend wishes that she'd not spent so many months worrying due to being over informed.

Soooo tired this morning - just got to get through today at work and then got the weekend off. Phew.

Anybody heard the news today about women not getting enough care while they're in labour? Not what I wanted to hear!!

Oh, never heard the train / horse thing, but girls are considered to have faster heartbeats. I keep listening in to Boo, and it sounds soo fast, especially compared to mine!

As for my stats:

Due 12th October
Expecting : surprise. Awkward baby had legs crossed entire time, but I'm leaning more towards boy.
Baby number one
Age 23

bonniej · 17/06/2005 09:13

Hester, so sorry that you had to hear all that from the doctor. They really do over inform and worry unneccessarily. You do sound like you have a really good attitude and I too hope it's just the club feet. Do try to enjoy the rest of your pregnancy (easy for me to say, I know)xx At the end of the day no amount of tests can guarantee anything and none of us know how our babies will really be until we actually deliver.

I'm feeling kicks,pokes and prods all over the place now. Can actually see my tummy moving, especially in the bath. Feeling a very strong bond now and looking forward to meeting my little dd2. (or ds if the scan was wrong!) I'm trying to prepare my 2 year old dd by patting my belly and saying baby and sister to her. She just pats her own and says the same thing Everywhere we go she lifts her top pats her belly and says sister! (really sweet, but I don't think she has a clue to what's really happening). Starting to worry now how I will share myself as she is used to have me all to herself!

mishmash2 · 17/06/2005 09:31

Hester - huge hugs to you. I can't believe they are offering terminations at 30 weeks but I suppose you can't blame them for not giving you all the information possible. Fingers crossed it is just the club foot and nothing else - at least you will get to see the baby every month now if it is any consolation...?

Have any of you started getting swollen fingers/ankles? I had to take my rings off yesterday as they were getting too tight.... I thought this was meant to happen later?!

My stats:
Due date - 6th Oct
Sex - surprise!
First baby
Age: 34

Lexie100 · 17/06/2005 09:45

Morning all

Hester thinking of you. I have my scan in a few hours and have been looking at my last picture to get an idea of how big the little one will be now. I'm so excited. DH has the afternoon off so will be able to come with me. I tried to talk to him last night about what we might do if we have bad news but he won't talk about it, i guess a protective thing.

Baby is kicking like mad but still below the tummy button (i'm 23 weeks).

Due: 14th Oct
Sex: don't want to know
Age: 28
First baby

morningpaper · 17/06/2005 10:09

Hester, sorry that they worried you so much. Like you say, at least you have a lot of time to get used to the idea and find out lots about it. I'm sure there will be loads of MNers who have great advice and reassurance for you. And I know that in a few months when you are holding your lovely baby that will be all that matters!

By the way, did you get your two people in at your scan in the end?

(Out of interest, they offer terminations up to birth for babies with 'defects'.)

fastasleep · 17/06/2005 10:17

Hester I got that speech too! Chromasomal abnormalitites...have an amnio... you can always abort... it's always a shock when they do that! They took me off into the 'family room' with a nurse trying to hold my hand with my first pregnancy, like they do when something horrific's happened! I got scanned every month with Theo, I'm glad they're not as bothered this time, it really made me anxious! Then again waiting until 30 weeks for more news is a bit weird too lol

I'm sure your little girl's going to be a stunner, and she's going to have two brave mummies so you're the perfect match for her

On the movement side of it I could see Sophia really clearly last night! and she turned head downwards and her feet where wriggling above my belly-button, I forgot how weird it feels!

Joseyjo · 17/06/2005 12:14

Hester - how are you doing today?
I have been in a similar situation. my darling bubba had an enlarged bladder at 11/12 weeks and that is a soft marker for chromosomal abnormalities (which incidentally was what was wrong with ds and they didn't pick that up at all until the day he was born!!). because of our history we get the "are you SURE you don't want amnio/cvs?" every time we go in - which is once a month! I agree with you - i think the risks are too high and i would only terminate if the condition was not compatible with life outside the womb (i.e. as severe as ds). i am happy to wait and not nearly as stressed as i expected to be.
we have just come home from scan number seven and baby looks gorgeous! there is nothing else to suggest there will be a problem so we are going to wait and see. having said that all is well (And we got some beautiful 3D pictures that make me cry everytime i look at them... ) when we were chatting to the consultant, another one came in (who dh calls the voice of doom incidentally) and said "you are aware that there is still a small risk of chromosomal abnormality aren't you?". i know we need to be aware but it puts the shivers up me everytime she says it! we are now due back in another 4 weeks and then every 2 weeks after that!! we may as well move in to the unit . the consultant also said that the cs would probably be a monday, so maybe it will be 19th September?!!!! We won't get a confirmed date until 36 weeks though.
will just update the stats and then re-post them... thanks to everyone for their prompt responses!!!