December 2008 Once you pop you can't stop

[Veggiemummy]

surely most of us will go on this one

Hello Ladies!

Went and finally registered with the GP closest to us today. They gave me the smallest little pot to pee in!!! I laughed at the lady when she handed it to me and told her I'd be doing good to get anything into it seeing as how I can barely see my own feet let alone a little pee cup!!

Sorry all you ladies are having so many issues with BF. Many hugs to all of you! I think it's one of my biggest fear with having a baby. I'm hoping I'll be able to tough it out when the time comes.

Still no action here... well at least I don't think so anyway. I do think the baby is fully engaged though. We'll see tomorrow at my appt.

Hope everyone is doing well!!

Oh my goodness Bisou I know that eBay photo was just give an idea and I know what u mean and good idea, but can't believe that is considered vintage. It's exactly the same as the one my mum used when I was a kid!

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Just checking in as have been madly trying to finish my Christmas shopping today before DH goes back to work tomorrow and I am stuck in rural Herefordshire without being able to drive - gulp!
I was wrong about last night, she fed most of the night again. So I basically fed from 3.30pm yesterday to 6.15 this morning! DH is movng into the nursery tonight so that he can get some sleep before going back to work, I will have her in room so no sleep for me again!

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Katie you poor poor thing. Any chance of a nap during the day when DD sleeps? Hope you get a better night tonight. Sending hugs.

Sorry to hear you are feeling so rubbish Catdean I don't think there is much you can take at all. Might be worth speaking to your GP? I went to the chemist today to ask the pharmacist for some advice (diff problem) and they said they couldn't recommend anything as I am PG so would need to speak to my GP.

Katie: hoping for a better night for you. Are you co-sleeping? I found it a godsend when DS was feeding constantly.

Verso: glad the PN doula is working out, but it does NOT mean your DH doesn't need to help out! Hope things improve once term ends.

Bisou: love the laundry basket idea! The only thing I suppose would be to check it won't collapse.

Jam: hope things are moving along for you!

Finally got the (miniscule) Xmas tree today and decorated it, 2 tins of choc in, sent off Xmas cards and final presents, think I may be done except for wrapping DH and DS's pressies. Phew!

Cat: sorry you're still feeling grim. The only remedy I know for a cough involves lots of whisky so maybe not the best idea . Let me know if you want to meet for a coffee (in the warm) at any point.

Zoe: how was the scan?

oh and DH and I are still arguing over names - am now having second thoughts about the first name we picked! Usually at some ungodly hour like 2am when neither of us can sleep.

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katie I would definitely recommend you use a dummy. I know it might cause nipple confusion but you need a break. As long as you really focus on the latch you should be fine switching between them. I didn't persevere with a dummy with DD1 as I had very negative opinions of them, and I so wish I had - I had MONTHS of her snacking on and off all day and all night. It was terrible - exhausting, draining, depressing, miserable.

With DD2, she just has the dummy very occasionally when she is fed, clean nappy on and winded, but getting overtired and stressed. I try to take it out of her mouth just before she completely falls asleep.

Also - is she getting hind milk? Are there 'curds' in her poo? Lots and lots of foremilk can make the baby unsettled.

I so so feel for you. I think I may have another marathon sesh on my hands tonight as DD2 has done two huge naps - and I didn't get to nap because people were here . I am so stupid. I should have shooed them out the door and gone to bed!!!! IDIOT!!

katie can you get some help? You NEED to sleep - even for three or four hours in a row would help. (I know from my bl**dy sleep charts with DD1 that a block of three hours in a row is the minimum I need to feel vaguely sane.)

(Btw - I know your DH wants his sleep before "going back to work" but IMO looking after a baby is 24/7 work... tell me to bog off if you like but I feel very strongly about this!!)

I really hope you manage to get some help.

really glad everything went well at your growth scan zj and three cheers for your perfect "average" baby!
Thanks as well, i am feeling much better now and got my car back this morning so hopefully i have had all the bad luck im gonna have

bisou that washing basket / trolly combo looks great. Must admit with the previous three we have brought the moses basket downstairs during the day and then back upstairs for night, but this time i have a pram which i am going to use for daytime sleeps and leve the moses basket in my bedroom.

veggie have you posted babyveggie's name yet? sorry if i missed it.

Also sending labour vibes to all you overdue ladies, im due sat and have begged my mw to try and give me another sweep on thursday to see if we can get things moving before then .. really feel like ive been pregnant forever (yes i know its my own fault for having 3 children in under 4 years ) and just want my body back!!

Hooray u got your car back, was the fault covered by a warranty?

We unofficially have a name but we are waiting for MIL to give us his chinese name which will be his middle name. It's a bit involved she has to go to the Chinese fortune teller and get his fortune told and then based on the results of this the priest at her temple will help choose a name or something like that I could have that all wrong but it's some Chinese traditional thing

doh missed the bit abot the scan Zoe: great news . Hopefully that means you're signed off from the hospital for the time being. Can see your point about taking up time, booking appointments is getting increasingly difficult here! I have a 38 week appt on Thursday and am guessing slots for the following 2 weeks might be hard to come by.

Just a quickie. verso I don't know the official answer (well I suspect I know the hardcore answer ) re; one formula feed but I know lots of people who do it once b'fing is well established and find it a life line (and all have continued to b'f for as long as they wanted - 3 years in one case). I think it is very different to "topping up" at each feed due to poor weight gain. I did that with DD and it defo brought about the premature end of b'fing at 4 months for us (and also it is the complete worst of both worlds for many reasons..). I guess the main thing if you intro it is to view it in lieu of one particular b'f and not a "magic bullet" that will get baby to sleep longer, as I know a lot of people who very disappointed on that score ! But I know you would know that and it's more about getting a break/block of sleep.

Hope night nanny works out well and that doula is helpful. I know it's cold comfort about your family being less than helpful - but having the contrast of a temp nanny this time round to help with the DC whilst heavily pg, as opposed to my my MiL which is what I had to help with DD whilst pg with DS - I infinitely prefer the paid help option (whether other than the having to part with money bit...). And my MiL is fine, but it's easier to have things done your way when it is someone you are paying. My nanny has saved me from the looneybin and I am sure will do postnatally too!

Sorry for the long ramble to Verso. Sure you have dropped off. Hope tonight is OK. You are doing so well that DD2 has gained 6oz!!

Hi ladies, just posting something that MrJam posted on the May07 thread:

Hello All

Mr Jam here they are lasting about a min and coming 6mins apart. Going to call the OL's soon and take her to the birthing centre.

Fingers crossed and I will keep you updated

Mr & Mrs Jam

Yay for jam you go girl!

verso I have just had a moment - it wasn't you who asked could they intron one f'feed? Please ignore my ramble if it wasn't you. I am going mad with placenta brain.

ZJ so glad your scan showed that your lovely baby is just fine! Such a relief. 39 weeks tomorrow, eh!

cat I am v impressed you are doing photoshoots!?! No advice re coughing, I have one too and feel like the baby is coming out each time I have a coughing fit....but no, that will just be some wee and other stuff instead...Nice. I have been sucking strepsils in the night, that's it!

bisou thanks for your epic post. Am liking the idea of the moses! And yes, DD was a lovely cloud (well, when she wasn't picking her nose . I was however sat on a small stool and DS insisted on sitting on my lap (what lap?! it's gone) for the entire hour. Twas very painful and felt sure my waters would break and we would get some RL nativity action....

I am knackered. My nesting energy has now officially departed...

No, turnip it was indeed me! exactly as you said, it's not that I expect it to make her fuller or sleep longer - just it gives me time off from one feed so I could go to bed, say, at 8pm, and not have to wake to feed again until 2am. DH could do the honours at the 11pm feed, IYSWIM.

I know all about top ups and the associated dangers etc - though from the reverse way round. With DD1 both of us got badly dehydrated (and ended up back in hospital) because I had a bad reaction to the combination of drugs they sent me home with for the third degree and other tears. I had such bad incontinence (TMI) I couldn't keep any fluids or solids in at all!

We HAD to introduce top ups as we were both dangerously ill but I was adamant I was going to get my supply back - and with lots of expressing and lots of BF on demand, I made it. (I am a stubborn cow!) Ended up with just one bottle on occasion - to do exactly what I'm suggesting now. So I do know how supply/demand works - just wondering because exclusive BF is going well this time (did I just say that?!!) I don't want to mess with it, you see

wow veggie that does sound complicated but a lovely tradition. Yes thankfully it was covered by warranty, so lucky it happened now rather then just after warranty ran out!

jam goodluck and positive birthing vibes to you

Absolutely knackered so off to bed xxx

verso I am always so in awe of people who clawed back from top-ups to exclusive b'fing!! Well done you. I think PD is another who managed that last time round. Yup, never quite sure how one bottle at a particular time could affect supply (obviously, yes it would if you wanted to resume feeding at that time - but surely one's body would just make enough milk then for the other feeds). I guess the b'f experts know the answer to that!

I guess, see how you go and how you feel.

Verso I'm sure you know the 6 week rule in that it takes about that long to establish feeding between the 2 of you so best not to express or give formula, however you also know what's best for you and bubby I think take advice from here and other threads and from mw's etc but if you feel you can deal with the occasional ff and that it will do you both good then go with it.

Verso Apparently the 6 week rule is rubbish my MW said today. Thank god for that as I have just expressed quite a bit. I think my milk is starting to come in and my breasts are killing me.

So DH should be able to give DS2 a feed tomorrow and I can have a sleep. I feel absolutely drained.

I think we have a solution to settling DS2 in his moses basket. We have swaddled him and put him down and he is now having a sleep.
So hopefully he will wake about 10 for a decent feed and then he will sleep for a good amount of time.

Hiya everyone, haven;t been around for a while, lots of new names (to me anyway!).

CatDean I've got a nasty cold which has been dragging on for ages, it's horrible isn't it.

The chemist gave me a linctus "Glycerin Lemon & Honey with Glucose" made by Care+. It says on the back to consult your Dr if pregnant, but the chemist said it would be fine for late pregnancy (although of course I guess it's a bit dodge to give medical advice online so you should probably check with your Dr - can you call them?)

I've no idea if you can have it while pregnant but the best cough suppressant by far that I know (recommended to me by asthmatic, very coughy friend) is Boot's own brand Pholcodine (?sp) Linctus, the one with the pink drop on the label (they also do one with a blue drop, but the pink one seems to do the trick better).

If you want a hippy herbal remedy, try this ...

• Take up to 1/2 an organic onion. (Onions contain properties which can help soothe coughs.)
• Cut into rings.
• Put into a clean jar.
• Cover the rings with the best quality honey you have.
• Leave for a day. After a day, juices will have come out of the onion, into the honey, making the consistency much thinner than honey.
• Remove the rings (as they were cut into ring shapes, they are easy to fish out).

You now have the onion juice in a format which is tasty and easy to consume. It'll keep for about 2 days. This was taught to me on a herbal remedy course run by a NIMH (National Institute of Medicinal Herbalists) qualified woman who really knows her stuff.

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Hi Cat, ho9pe you're doing ok and things are moving but not too painful for you.

Currently trying to work out how to persuade dd to go back to sleep - fed for an hour at 3, she lay down for about 3 minutes then started to grizzle so winded her gently, and this seems to be her cue (in the night at least!!) to start yawning and wake up and look round at the world. We've got a very dim nighlight so I can see if she's latching on okl but it evidently gives her enough light to look at things by. Brought her downstairs, fed her again, changed her (of course she peed all over the mat...), she';s currently in the sling and rocking her gently seems to work but then when I lie her down she grizzles again. Any ideas how to get her to settle at night?! (the eternal question...)

In laws spent most of yesterday just sat on the sofa being brought cups of tea. Mil to her credit did make a pot of stew, but spent the rest of the day telling me that I should be asleep and she'd keep an eye on dd - what, while dd's alseep in the cot next to the bed? At one point dd woke up and screamed while she was changed, and pil declared they hadn't heard a thing - but at the same time wouldn't we like to leave dd with them and go out for dinner? no suggestions as to what they'd do if she got hungry... And the greatest sin of all - she picked up my crossword and started filling in some answers! If she'd asked I probably wouldn'y have minded but really, some things are sacrosanct and she went too far with that!

Today's best MILism (though unlikely ever to beat LadyT's!). Apparently any kind of crying in a newborn is because their digestion is too immature to cope. DH was induced 2 weeks early (was getting too big!) so his gut was clearly not ready and he was quite refluxy. The cure? Horlicks. Apparently it was invented to help thicken babies' tummy contents and help stop reflux, so she was giving my poor DH a bottle full of the stuff when he was a couple of months old.

dd now seems quite calm, so will see if she stays settled back in bed. Fingers crossed!