Due Aug 08 - Packing Bags and Discussing Names: WE ARE THE HOTMILK LADIES!!

[TwilightSurfer]

DUE AUGUST 2008 STATS
[TSupdate24JUN08]

GROUP TOTAL: 54

DELIVERIES [BOYS (0) vs. GIRLS (0)]
sample23JUL via VB SOMEBODY delivered Jenny Sue, 8lbs 3oz & 55cm [EDD 08AUG]
sample24JUL via CS SOMEBODYELSE delivered Timmy, 6lbs & 43cm [EDD 31JUL]

WAITING ROOM [BOYS (12) vs. GIRLS (14)]
21JUL IlanaK is 35 and lives in Central London. She has 2DSs, 6y & 3y. Expecting DC#3 via CSec (EDD was 24JUL), a BOY to be named Saul.
23JUL Voodoococonut is 29 and lives in Manchester but moving to West Midlands asap. She has a DD, 19M. Expecting DC#2, a SURPRISE.
24JUL Alittlebitshy is 28 and lives in East London/Essex. She has a DD, 5y. Expecting DC#2 via CSec (EDD was 03AUG), a SURPRISE.
29JUL Miamla is 32 and lives in North London. Expecting DC#1, a BOY to maybe be named Theodore.
29JUL Bigboydiditandranaway is 36 and lives in Midlands. She has a DS, 26m. Expecting DC#2.
30JUL Dizzydixies is 32 and lives in Fife. She has 2DDs, 4y & 2y. Expecting DC#3 via VBac or CSec, guesses it's a girl.
31JUL SassyLou is 33 and lives in Cheshire. She has 2DDs, 7y & 5y. Expecting DC#3.
01AUG PhilB is 31 and lives in SE London. Expecting DC#1, a SURPRISE.
01AUG Pertelote is 30 and lives in East London. Expecting DC#1, a SURPRISE.
02AUG Vintagegardenia is 35 and lives in Ireland. She has a DS, 9y. Expecting DC#2, a SURPRISE.
02AUG Mum2b1 is expecting DC#1.
02AUG Shazza2002 is 27 and lives in West London. She has a DD, 5y. Expecting DC#2, a SURPRISE.
04AUG SKYTVADDICT is 40 and lives in Lincolnshire. She has a DS, 13m, and 2DDs, 8y & 12y. Expecting DC#4 via CSec (EDD was 08AUG), a SURPRISE.
05AUG ChaCha is 32 and lives in Oxford. She has 2DCs, 2y & 10m, Expecting DC#3 via CSEC, guesses it's a boy.
07AUG BraveNewWorld is 31 and lives in London. Expecting DC#1, a GIRL.
08AUG LadyOfWaffle is 22 and lives in Berkshire. She has a DS, 2y. Expecting DC#2, a SURPRISE.
08AUG Mummypud is 28 and lives in Wiltshire. She has a DD, 2y. Expecting DC#2, a GIRL.
08AUG Bealcain is 21 and lives in Kent, She has 2DSs 2y & 1y. Expecting DC#3, a GIRL to be named Delilah.
09AUG BirthdayBaby is expecting DC#1.
10AUG Lcy is 30 and lives in Wales. Expecting DC#1, guesses it's a boy.
11AUG Sarahnh is 32 and lives in West Midlands. She has a DD, 2y. Expecting DC#2, a GIRL to maybe be named Tess Alexandra.
11AUG Foghornleghorn is 23 and lives in Northampton. She has 2DDs, 3y & 1y. Expecting DC#3, guesses it's a girl.
11AUG Sibh has 2DCs, DS 5y & DD 2y. She is expecting DC#3.
12AUG Buckets is 31 and lives in Southampton. She has a DD, 4y, & a DS, 3. Expecting DC#3 via CSec (01-07AUG?), a BOY to maybe be named Kurt.
14AUG Hardygirl is 36 and lives in SW London. Expecting DC#1, a SURPRISE.
14AUG HazieDazieandBaby is 26 and lives in Aberdeen. Expecting DC#1, a GIRL to be named Gabriella.
14AUG Gigglegirl is 32 and lives in Stockport. She has a DD, 4y, and 2DSs, 2y & 1y. Expecting DC#4, a GIRL to be named Imogen.
16AUG Longwayfromhome is 29 and lives in Argentina. Expecting DC#1, a BOY to named Tomas.
16AUG Pregnancy1 is 31 and lives in London. Expecting DC#1, a GIRL.
17AUG CaptainCaveman is 35 and lives in Nottingham. She has a DS, 3.11y. Expecting DC#2 via VBac, a BOY.
17AUG Iliketosleep is 24 and lives in Wolverhampton. She has 2DDs, 7y & 6y and a DS, 4y. Expecting DC#4.
17AUG Poppysocks is 30 and lives in St Andrews. She has a DD, 23m. Expecting DC#2 via CSec or maybe VBAC, a GIRL.
17AUG Warthog has a DD, 2y. Expecting DC#2, a GIRL.
17AUG Jennylee is 30 and lives in West Lothian. She has a DS, 9y. Expecting DC#2, a GIRL.
18AUG Kezza7779 is expecting DC#1, guesses it's a boy.
18AUG Expectant is 32 and lives in Singapore. Expecting DC#1, a SURPRISE.
18AUG Cheerfulvicky is 24 and lives in Cornwall. Expecting DC#1, a BOY.
19AUG SazzlesA is 35 and lives in Cheltenham. She has a DD, 18m. Expecting DC#2 via VBAC or CSec, a GIRL to maybe be named Emma.
19AUG Karney is 39 and lives in Glasgow.
19AUG TwilightSurfer is 37 and lives in Tennessee, USA. She has a DD, 4y. Expecting DC#2 via VB, a GIRL to maybe be named Maggie Ethelyn.
20AUG Ejesmum is 38 and lives in Exeter. She has a DS, 4y. Expecting DC#2.
20AUG Stillhere is 36 and lives in Yorkshire. She has a DS, 2.5y. Expecting DC#2, a SURPRISE.
21AUG Pinchypants is 34 and lives in Guildford. She has a DD, 20m. Expecting DC#2.
21AUG Musm2go is 35 and lives in B'ham Solihull. She has a DD, 6y. Expecting DC#2, a BOY.
23AUG Stickybean is 27 and lives in North London. Expecting DC#1, guesses it's a girl.
24AUG Libbyssister is 34 and lives in Oxfordshire. She has a DS, 2.11y. Expecting DC#2, a BOY.
24AUG Cyteen is 32 and lives in Leicester. Expecting DC#1, a BOY.
24AUG SausageAndMash is 37 and lives in London. She has a DD, 3y. Expecting DC#2.
25AUG Petitfilou is 36 and lives in S Oxfordshire. She has a DS, 4.4y, & a DD, 2.10y. Expecting DC#3, a BOY.
25AUG Oopsacoconut is 32 and lives in Wiltshire. Expecting DC#1, a GIRL to be named Poppaea Anna.
26AUG Ellasmum1 is 30 and lives in North Staffs-Newcastle under Lyme. She has a DD, 5y. Expecting DC#2, a BOY.
26AUG Dancerandprancer is 31 and lives in Devon. She has a DD, 28m. Expecting DC#2, a BOY.
26AUG No1putsbabyinthecorner is 30 and lives in South Yorkshire. She as a DD, 1y. Expecting DC#2.
28AUG Ataraxis formerly Readyforbed has 2 DSs, 5y & 3y, and is expecting DC#3, a GIRL.

Hi Bigboy - you can ask - it never hurts. You may find that she wants to get it booked asap if she thinks it is breech as there are loads of other plans to be put in place if you need a c-section. HTH

Sorry bigboy - ds was breech and so far so is this one! They normally scan you at 37 weeks to see if baby is still breech, and at that point, if it is breech, will discuss your options with you.

You should be offered ECV (external cephalic version) whereby they give you a drug to relax the uterus then manually try to turn the baby. I didn't have this as ds had his cord wrapped round his neck, so turning him would have actually strangled him! (they check the arterial flow of the umbilical cord using the ultrasound to determine where the cord is).

If they offer you ECV it is your choice whether you choose to have it or not. They should talk you through the whole process, discuss success rates, complications etc. If they can't do it, or you don't want it, they should discuss vaginal breech birth (and pros & cons), and cs.

hth?

Thanks for replies, was getting a bit worried in case mw arrived before i'd had your much needed advice. Don't think i'd really want them to try and turn the baby, so could i just say book me in for a ceserean?

Bigboy as Cavey said - if an ECV is offered you have every right to refuse it and opt for a c-section instead.

sorry got mixed up with abrev's thought that was elective ceserean, i think i was panicking a bit. Will chill out now with a mars bar

dizzy I'm thinking of you and hope you are coping ok. Don't forget when you are supporting your dad that you need support yourself.

bigboydidit My next door neighbour had to have them try and turn the baby - it didn't work for her but it did work for the other six women who went to have it that day. I think it is pretty uncomfortable but it would allow you to have a natural birth. I wouldn't rule it out completely at least. But hope your lo turns anyway! Don't know which way up ds2 is as don't have an appt until 15th - hope he is the right way as may rule out a homebirth otherwise...fingers crossed.

bigboy I just got back from the mw and apparently my baby is breech too...by the sound of it he has been for several weeks. The inability to bend without feeling like I'm leaning on a stick is because his head is wedged up under my ribs; I've been feeling like that for ages, so I guess he's made himself pretty comfortable in there She advised me that while there is still plenty of opportunity for him to turn, with first time mums this PCT usually assumes that if they haven't turned by about 35 weeks they are unlikely to (something to do with the muscles being tight enough to hold them in place). Anyway, I'm seeing her in 4 weeks' time when I will be 36 weeks and if he hasn't turned then she said they'll book me in for a scan.

I have a funny feeling he won't, and I will end up needing a caesarian. Am a bit sad at the prospect of missing out on natural labour but there's time to get used to it yet, and I know plenty of people who've had perfectly fine and positive section birth experiences. In fact, both my SIL's kids were born that way due to being breech, so I'm blaming DP's genes for this one!

Been a bit of a funny morning all round. As I was getting ready to leave at about 9.30am, I took a call from my dad who was sitting outside his dad's house waiting for the police to turn up and bust the door down. No one has seen the old man for a few weeks, he's not answering his phone or the door, and when last seen he was walking with a stick and looking very frail. Dad has been trying to get the police to go round there since last night - when I spoke to him, he'd been waiting for over an hour for them to appear

Not heard anything since then, so I guess there's a good chance the old man is either dead, dying, injured or missing. Bit of a complex situation really, he's a bastard and a toxic presence in our lives - if he has died alone then it's entirely his own doing, thanks to him alienating every single person who might have given a shit about him otherwise. But my dad doesn't need this right now, he's got enough problems trying to manage his feelings about the death of my brother...what a mess.

Anyway, going to ring him in a bit and find out wtf is going on.

Morning ladies.

I'm afraid this is going to be a me me me post. I've not been on MN since Friday and have tried to catch up but failed miserable so if anybody could give me a quick update would be much appreciated.

Well I went to wedding on Friday and arrived back home on Sunday. Lovely wedding but they aren't as much fun when you can't drink lots.

Anyway, Sunday evening started to feel very sick. Severe sickness and other end activies started with a vengance. This continued until about 10pm when quite strong BH started. These were only happening every 10 minutes but continued for about 6 hours!! So between the pain of those and the pain of the dodgy stomach I barely slept. Still felt funny yesterday. Have managed into work today but nearly killed me getting here. Not due to finish until next Friday but unless I suddenly get some energy from somewhere I think that may be happening a lot sooner.

But, after all that I still haven't packed my hospital bag. So I've promised myself I need to do it this evening

xx

Cyteen (and others), breech doesn't have to mean caesarean (although you may need to pay for an independent MW if your hospital aren't enthusiastic.) Here's some info.
Gosh, hope your dad is coping ok (and maybe grandad too? - could be a good catalyst for a bit of confrontation, expression etc if he is.)

Pregnancy1, yes it's very easy to get overexcited about real nappies! But it's a virtuous addiction, it all gets reused or sold on and still saves you money. You could become a nappy agent, it's a great way to earn pocket money while you're on maternity leave! I used to be an agent for Lollipop and it was great fun.

Bigs hugs to Dizzy again, please look after yourself...

And big hugs to cyteen, hope that everything is ok...

Well i decided to bite the bullet and organise a private scan for this afo... i was awake most of last night worrying that lttle one hasn't grown in almost 4 weeks and also that maybe the midwife has got it wrong and she is just lying in an awkard position to be measured correctly... so fingers crossed...

Not sure what to do about the scan tomorrow morning i guess it all depends on what happens today.. god i'm rambling..

Hope everyone else is ok and fingers crossed bealcain is doing ok, who knows maybe she has already got her lo in her arms as we speak!!!

Just before I go and grab some lunch sarahnh good luck for the scan!!!!

Cyteen, your side story took me off guard. Please keep up posted on your little mystery.

Bigboy, all the other ladies on MN rave about the SpinningBabies.com website. I have to say it's not bad. You might be able to use it along with what your MW tells you to come up with the best plan for your situation.

AnnVan, in the US 99% of all births are performed by an OB/GYN (doctor) and Labor&Delivery Nurses. The most common birthing practice is bed/legs up BUT that's not the only option. Plenty of women choose to give birth on all fours or every other way imaginable. I believe the bed/legs up is just the easier position for medical professionals to control/handle. The 1% that choose a non-medical assisted birth turn to private midwives for home or center births. Many of these elect water births....which honestly from all I've seen is just a wet bed birth because you're basically in the same position. Here's another side stat, one in every ten births in the US is a Csec (for any number of reasons). So basically what you see in the movies is pretty much how it is...with much more drama mind you. I will be having a bed birth but I'll probably labor in any number of ways: walking, birth ball, yoga, dancing, shower, OH AND EPIDURAL (eventually).

Shazza that's how I felt with my last pregnancy just two weeks before I delivered DD. I even spent 24 hours in the hospital. Main cause: Extreme Exhaustion and Dehydration. {{{{HUGS}}}}

I have just had the first nose bleed of my entire life. It seems to have stopped. It really wasn't a lot anyway. Should I panic or just consider this a side effect of the pregnancy?

Update: spoke to my dad, my grandad has definitely kicked the bucket. Police found him sitting in his chair with his eyes shut; we think it was probably a stroke or similar.

It might sound callous, but all I feel is relief. My dad is the same. As a bit of background, here are some of the things my grandad has done to us all over the years:

cheated on my nan and every other woman he was ever with
had my nan and my dad evicted from their flat and left them in penury
held my brother (then aged about 11) up against the wall in a drunken rage
emotionally abused me over a specific incident that had nothing to do with him
bad mouthed my mum to my dad a few weeks after my dad had had to deal with her suicide and all its fallout
had a fist fight with my mum's dad at my parents' wedding!
while on holiday in Spain with me (then aged about 12) fell asleep on the toilet, pissed out of his head on whiskey
moaned about how far away my brother's funeral was from where he lived

All he ever gave us was negative emotion and damage, so forgive me if I don't mourn. I had already cut him out of my life and rather sweetly my dad said just now that one of the reasons he's so relieved is that he was worried about my grandad trying to become involved in my kid's life - this had worried me too, now it doesn't have to.

So there we go! Minor family drama for the Cyteen clan. I'll probably go down at some point to help sort things out and hang out with my dad.

Thanks TS

Pregnancy1 - you're not sad, or if you are so am I os I just ordered my real nappies. DP says I've been talking nothing but nappies for the last two weeks. He got a little intimidated by the amount of different types of nappy etc and left choosing them to me. I found the local nappy agent very helpful and ordered off her.
Everyone I know except DP's mum and my sister think I'm crazy for going for cloth - I am doing the right thing aren't I? Besides we don't have a wheelie bin, and local cats keep clawing the bags open so can't bear thought of having to deal with pooey nappy that's been fermenting in a bag for six days being clawed out of bag, and having to put it back in - yuk yuk!

ALBS, go to my FB friends list and click on Sarahnh. It will give you an option to Add Her As A Friend. That should do it for you.

Goodness Cyteen, {{{hugs}}} anyway you need it.

Cyteen - unbelievable. Must be really difficult for you all the same. Aren't family marvellous. I know in my family, I never me t my mum's real dad for similar reasons - alcoholic philanderer etc. He kidnapped my mum when she was six months old and she was gone for a year. Her mum had a restraining order against him! When my mum had us it was her choice to keep him out of her lives, and I think it was the right one. We loved her stepdad as a grandad. My dilemma - DP hasn't spoken to his dad in about two years. I've never met him and he doesn't know he's going to have a grandchild (first one too)Worried could be big fallout if he finds out through the grapevine. I figure it's DP's choice what he does though.

If anyone wants some more tips on buying/using real nappies, do check out my website.

bigs hugs to you cyteen, but sounds like you are doing ok xxx

Well back from my scan and i officially do not like my midwife...

Baby is perfect for my dates 34 + 2 she weighs 5lbs 2oz and that is just under what is considered normal... head, tummy and legs all measured perfect.. head is down so good presentation...

So all in all no need to panic phew... the sonograph did say that as i was not a big build and originally slim that i was carrying all baby so that may be why i am showing small...

Still going to hospital for scan just to keep in the hospital loop and assuming nothing has changed i am now going to refuse any more fungal measurements as they just don't work on my body!!

Sorry for the mega me post xxxxx

Glad all is well Sarah - lol at your fungal measurements - is that a deliberate typo? I think they are a load of bob anyway - because ds2 is breech, his 'presenting part' ie his ass, is nowhere near my pubic bone, which is where they take the measurement from/to. Ds2 is currently on 90th centile and predicted by mw to be a 'big baby'. I bet my ass he is around 7lb.
My friend recently had a similar thing, although her ds was head down, and her 'predicted' big baby was 6lb 13oz. They should just stop measuring fundal height on all women, seems an utter waste of time?

Been out for lunch with work colleagues and am now home to watch Wimbledon in peace whilst ds is out with grandma.

Cyteen - also sending big hugs your way! [hug] Sarahn - What good news, baby sounds perfect in every way.
TS - Normal in pregnancy by my standards, I have a nose bleed at least once a week. Must be a bit scary though if it's your first.
Really sorry for missing other posters.

Shazza - I am feeling like that today and am worried. I have been really sick since waking and the boys are an absolute handful. I get these waves of pain over my back and also having a bit of a dodgy stomach. Am feeling shite to be honest and my home help is ill today and might be for rest of week, DH is out of town and not due back till late and am finding it really hard to cope as i just want to lie down/get comfy and feel sorry for myself. Sorry for ME ME ME post but don't know what else to do. Also feeling like horrible mummy as i keep sticking DVDs on and getting irritable when they want to fun stuff. Fortunately both are sat building tracks and playing with trains....deep breath. Think packing bag good idea at least woudl feel ok, but then would be helpful if i had the stuff to pack.
Thanks for reading.

If it is normal to find out that baby is breech weeks before birth howcome a friend of mine was in labour for twleve hours before they realised baby was breech and took her in for emergency cs??

Speaking of packing bags roughly when should i pack mine??