The Graduates of TTC after pregnancy loss thread#5 - 🐧 The Penguin Huddle 🐧

[InDreamland]

This is a safe space and supportive thread for anyone who is pregnant following a loss. We all understand the worry and anxiety that can come from being pregnant again following miscarriage/stillbirth.

Please feel free to join, even if you were not on the TTC thread.

Starting the roll call copied from the last thread (please feel free to add your name or amend if due dates have changed following 12 week scans or booking in c-secs):

@Melpops36, 38, EDD 5/12/19
@Beaglemum93, 26, EDD 22/12/19
@Amanda81, 38, EDD 27/12/19
@MyHeartIsBrokeButIHaveSomeGlue, 37, EDD 03/01/20
@Laney79, 40, EDD 06/01/20
@Bluebelltulip, 29, EDD 09/01/20
@KnitKitty, 31, EDD 29/01/20
@Newbie21, 38, EDD 06/02/20
@InDreamland, 39, EDD 18/02/20
@Tina363,29, EDD 26/02/20
@Frillyfarmer, 29, EDD 28/02/20
@Squiff70, 37, EDD end of February (no exact date with twins)
@Strawberry, 28, EDD 08/03/20
@Ginmonkey84, 34, EDD 16/03/20
@DuvetCaterpillar, 34, EDD 27/03/2020
@Navy123, 29, EDD 10/04/20
@Janey15, 34, EDD 16/04/20
@TinyPaws, 22, EDD 19/04/20
@Flyfisherlady, 37, Edd 24/04/20
@FirstTimeMama91, 28, EDD 06/05/2020

Also tagging @boboelephant and @Yukka just to hope they can pop on and update on their rainbows.

Sorry to anyone I've missed 🐧

@Melpops36, 38, EDD 5/12/19
@Beaglemum93, 26, EDD 22/12/19
@Amanda81, 38, EDD 27/12/19
@MyHeartIsBrokeButIHaveSomeGlue, 37, EDD 03/01/20
@Laney79, 40, EDD 06/01/20
@Bluebelltulip, 29, EDD 09/01/20
@coconutlatte44, 33, EDD 22/01/20
@KnitKitty, 31, EDD 29/01/20
@UnicornsandRainsbows1, 29, EDD 29/01/2020
@Newbie21, 38, EDD 06/02/20
@InDreamland, 39, EDD 18/02/20
@Tina363,29, EDD 26/02/20
@Frillyfarmer, 29, EDD 28/02/20
@Squiff70, 37, EDD end of February (no exact date with twins)
@strawberrye, 28, EDD 08/03/20
@Ginmonkey84, 34, EDD 16/03/20
@DuvetCaterpillar, 34, EDD 27/03/2020
@ChikiTIKI , 29, EDD 04/04/2020
@Navy123, 29, EDD 10/04/20
@Catconfusion, 40, EDD 12/04/20
@Janey15, 34, EDD 13/04/20
@TinyPaws, 33, EDD 18/04/20
@Flyfisherlady, 37, Edd 24/04/20
@Dimblebimble, 29, EDD 29/4/20
@FirstTimeMama91, 28, EDD 06/05/2020
@SunshineCrocodile, 37, EDD 4/6/2020
@TwittleBee , 25, EDD 25/06/20

You had managed to remove me @coconutlatte44 so I've added myself back in..

Hi ladies - thanks for the tag @InDreamland . Been reading all your updates, lovely to see how well you are all doing.

just a word of encouragement when you struggle with anxiety, it is hard, but every day counts towards the next milestone and the risk of complications and losses just continues to reduce.

There's not much advice I can add as you all know the drill on feeling baby kicks and waiting for the next scan.in pregnancy 'everything' is normal, that's the hardest bit, no rule book.

Everything is great with me thank you...just put our healthy 14 week old to bed. Despite she stopped growing in the uterus at 36w she maintains 9th centile on the growth chart now which is great. She's had no adverse affects whatsoever.

I finished the injections 6 weeks after birth and have been fine since. Still doing yoga and swimming too, great to get out for An hour on my own - but mostly just enjoying snuggles and smiles.

I'll keep checking in with you, can't wait to hear of the next rainbow babies in December xxx

@Melpops36 Lovely to see you pop in. Sorry about the positive GBS; it's a worry that you could just do without. But hopefully being forewarned will allow the medical staff to be forearmed and proactive about preventing it passing on to baby. xxx

@Kayjay2018 Thanks for the reassurance. I went to the GP today because it was just worrying me and my colleagues encouraged me to make an appointment. The GP wasn't bothered at all, said my pulse is fine and that it is most likely just because of all the extra blood my body is pumping round. But she sent me for a thyroid blood test (will get results on Wednesday) and I'm on a waiting list for an ECG (although the machine is broken so not sure when I'll get it). I feel reassured because she really didn't seem at all concerned and said there was no rush for the ECG but it would be a good idea just for ease of mind.
I love reflexology... I actually trained in it years ago (my certificate has run out now though; I never used it as a job). It is so relaxing and good for you. I can't afford it at the moment though. I've been having acupuncture for a year now, since my last MC and it's worked so well for me that I'm sticking to that instead. It's not as relaxing as reflexology but it does always make me feel better.
I'm glad your digestion has improved!

@InDreamland 24 weeks is 'viability week'; although it's not unheard of for 23 or even 22 week-olds to survive. Each week improves baby's chances of survival outside the womb. I can't believe you're 23 weeks already! It seems to be flying now! It only seems like yesterday that you were in your first trimester! You're doing so well. Just so you know, not feeling like you're coping very well with the anxiety DOES NOT mean that you're not strong. You're a hero. Get the positive pants on! xxx

@Twitwooo If only it did help knowing it was 'in your head', but alas, we wouldn't be so anxious if we could convince ourselves not to be, would we?
I'm glad you're happier with the scan date you've manage to book.
I hope you catch up on your sleep this weekend!

@sadtoday21 Wooooo!!! 20 weeks!!! That's fantastic!
Sorry Baba is hiding behind a cushion. My girl is too. As she's got bigger I can tell exactly where the placenta is because I feel lots of kicking far down but hardly anything further up. Hopefully once Baby Boy grows a bit more you'll start to feel some more solid jabs. He's probably all cosy snuggled up to the placenta right now with not a care in the world.

@janey15 I have had several panics over the weeks when bump has looked smaller than it previously did... I guarantee that it's because baby has moved position (and/or bloat decreasing). If you think about it; what else could cause the bump to change size? The baby can't shrink... But yes, it's totally a panic I've had (several times) and each time bump got noticeably bigger about a week later...

@Bluebelltulip Good to know you're being properly looked after. I'm not sure what strategies you're using for getting through this difficult time, but I hope you're managing to keep your head above the water. We're here for hand-holding whenever you need us.

@Notnowokay I'm so sorry for your losses. Welcome to the huddle. xxx

@Dimblebimble Congrats on the results! Fab news! I haven't had any other paid-for tests... I had similar low risk results for the NHS tests.

@Yukka Lovely to see you drop in. So glad your daughter is thriving! (Sounds like you are too). Thank you once again for all your support and passing round the positive pants to the rest of us!

For those of you who were discussing feeling 'big' for your gestation and getting comments... It's started for me too now. Two people today told me I look big for 26 weeks. It made me laugh because this morning I was thinking how small my bump seemed... Not sure if I had a growth spurt during the day, but got home and took a picture and I do actually look quite sizeable!
I don't actually mind the comments... I've never had an issue with body-image and I know the people who commented today meant well. I've been dreaming about looking 'big' for so long that I took it as a compliment (although I TOTALLY understand others hating having their size commented on and agree that it should not be an acceptable thing for people to say). I've actually been a bit disappointed that no stranger has asked when I'm due yet (because I'm weird)... I just like looking pregnant. My self-esteem has never been higher, and I'm really proud of my body and what it's doing; especially after having lost 4 pregnancies and not being sure I'd ever manage to get this far. I hope I don't come across as big-headed. What I'm trying to say is, we should all be proud of our bumps (big or small).
Bump pic attached.

@knitkitty have you been having palpitations/racing heartbeat? ( I can't find your earlier post) just if you are then you could ask for your iron levels to be checked - this was symptomatic for me for aneamia and I was put on a good dose of iron supplements (400mg per day whereas pregnancy vitamins contain less than 20mg . . ). Sometimes it felt a bit scary, but the iron helped a lot.

Thats a lovely bump you have there :) glad you are enjoying it :) xx

@Yukka It's not been racing; more like thudding. I think my iron is okay, but I wasn't offered a blood test for that. Do they check iron at 28 week MW appointment? I might mention it there.

Thank you.

@Knitkitty I think thudding is a good description - like you're really aware of feeling your heart beating. I would mention it at 28w appointment as its easy to improve if it is your iron levels - mine were borderline but I still felt and improvement after a couple of weeks of supplements.

sorry that was from me, not sure how it picked up my old user name! x

Thanks @KnitKitty , as you can see by the timing of this post the catching up on sleep part isn't happening... actually having one of the worst nights ever. Love the bump!
I have had heart palpitations / thudding / awakes of my heartbeat since day one. I've had it with every one of my pregnancies, and all the way to birth with DD. I really thought my iron levels were low this time with looking all pale and feeling dizzy too, but midwife never called which means everything is fine apparently. Pretty sure it could also be a symptom of dehydration if you think that might apply to you, or maybe just one of those pregnancy things like it is with me.

I had a horrible time this evening, not to go into too many details but spent a while on the toilet feeling horrible and then things decided to come out the other end as well. I absolutely hate vomiting because my muscles hurt so much after. This time the burning sensation in my stomach just wouldn't stop - I fell asleep for two hours then wake up again noticing the pain / outline of my stomach / need to eat something regardless. I'm so fed up. Currently sat in bed having run out of internet to browse listening to the sounds of my terrible digestive system.

@Yukka Thanks, I'll definitley get the midwife to check and up my leafy-greens game.

@Twitwooo it's reassuring to know you get the heart stuff in pregnancy too. At least I'm feeling a lot better about it emotionally now.
Really sorry you're struggling so much. It might be time for a GP visit? I'm sure you're already trying every trick in the book for the heartburn and nausea. If you haven't tried ginger beer yet, do. Old Jamaica is the best (IMO). Eating, or even sniffing salt and vinegar crisps was another one of my go-tos. And yes, eating little and often. And the usual advice of being propped up in bed etc... Hope you've not got much planned this weekend so you can rest lots. It's a vicious cycle because beimg tited often makes the nausea worse...

Hi everyone,

Thanks for saying I can pm you if I’m worried @knitkitty and @strawberrye that’s really kind.

To cut a long story short at my 16 week appointment they couldn’t find the heartbeat, called a doctor in and he examined me, lots of hmming and harrrrring, then I had a scan and all was well. A few days later I had a bleed and ended up at EPU- they examined me and found old blood, closed cervix and a healthy heartbeat on the doppler. So it’s been a rough few days and I’m hoping it will be a while before I have another scare (preferably not at all!).

@Twitwooo that’s miserable, definitely see your gp. I find plain cream crackers (the high fibre sort) helps.
@Yukka so pleased everything is going well for you.
@knitkitty I hope the palpitations ease off but the extra blood explanation seems logical. Sounds like they are looking after you well. Your bump is perfect and I hope mine looks like yours soon.

I’ve also developed eczema on my hands which is a first! Didn’t know that could happen. My sympathies to those who have it all the time, it’s very annoying!

Adding myself:

@Melpops36, 38, EDD 5/12/19
@Beaglemum93, 26, EDD 22/12/19
@Amanda81, 38, EDD 27/12/19
@MyHeartIsBrokeButIHaveSomeGlue, 37, EDD 03/01/20
@Laney79, 40, EDD 06/01/20
@Bluebelltulip, 29, EDD 09/01/20
@coconutlatte44, 33, EDD 22/01/20
@KnitKitty, 31, EDD 29/01/20
@UnicornsandRainsbows1, 29, EDD 29/01/2020
@Newbie21, 38, EDD 06/02/20
@InDreamland, 39, EDD 18/02/20
@Tina363,29, EDD 26/02/20
@Frillyfarmer, 29, EDD 28/02/20
@Squiff70, 37, EDD end of February (no exact date with twins)
@strawberrye, 28, EDD 08/03/20
@Ginmonkey84, 34, EDD 16/03/20
@DuvetCaterpillar, 34, EDD 27/03/2020
@ChikiTIKI , 29, EDD 04/04/2020
@Mistymeow, 35, EDD 07/04/2020
@Navy123, 29, EDD 10/04/20
@Catconfusion, 40, EDD 12/04/20
@Janey15, 34, EDD 13/04/20
@TinyPaws, 33, EDD 18/04/20
@Flyfisherlady, 37, Edd 24/04/20
@Dimblebimble, 29, EDD 29/4/20
@FirstTimeMama91, 28, EDD 06/05/2020
@SunshineCrocodile, 37, EDD 4/6/2020
@TwittleBee , 25, EDD 25/06/20

@Mistymeow Gosh that sounds horrible; I'm so sorry you had to go through that. But so pleased everything is fine. My MW didn't check for a HB at 16 week appointment. In my area they don't do it until you're past 24 weeks, and said even then it can be difficult to find until 26 weeks. It's reassuring to hear it; but it's not pleasant lying there waiting for them to find it. I had to have mine checked at 22 weeks because all the movements I'd got used to stopped for a day and I was really panicking that the worst had happened. It was so nerve-wracking waiting for them to be able to trace where she was hiding in there.
As for the bleeding; that sounds like a horrible ordeal too, but I'm glad there was a happy ending. I think you're done with the drama now. Hopefully the rest of the pregnancy will be smooth-sailing!!!
All-sorts can happen during pregnancy. I have a feeling I've read about others developing eczema. I've had it around my eyes before due to allergies to make-up and it's really not fun. Have you been advised how to treat it?
I usually start getting really dry, cracked knuckles around this time of year. So far they're not too bad. I'm using coconut oil on my bump and rub it into my hands and face too and I think it's helping.

I'm already bored stiff. I'm having a day at home resting (OH is out all day) and I'm trying to find things keep me occupied. I know I should just have my feet up and read/watch TV etc... But the thought of doing that all day is not appealing so currently having serious words with myself about taking it easy for baby.
Going to write my Christmas cards I think. We'll hopefully be moving house before Christmas so I might as well get it out of the way so it's one less thing to do. I cannot believe it's nearly November!!!!!!!

@TwittleBee it's ridiculous, I feel like I could sleep all day and when I'm up I feel like a zombie. Only just got up 😳 I wonder whether it's partly mental too. I'm really paranoid that I've done something to hurt the baby (e.g. if I do anything that I did with my previous mcs, and therefore (irrationally I know) see as being potentially to blame for their losses) and that at the next scan there will be no heartbeat, and it's making me feel really down and guilty.

Dh read out the results to me on the phone yesterday as I was in work, but having now read the letter myself the risk of Edwards and Pateus syndromes is actually 1 in 100,000 rather than 1 in 10,000 as he told me, so I feel a lot better about that one.

The Down's syndrome one is just under 6,000 as he said, which is the one I'm most worried about, but on reflection I guess that's pretty good odds. I found some stats online that said a woman aged 30 has a chance of around 1 in 940, so 1 in 6,000 is much lower risk. The nuchal fold was 1.4mm which I think is well within the limit. I don't know how to interpret the other stats (hcg and PAPP-A).

I think we'll skip the harmony test as it'll just give me another set of estimated odds, but like you say you could just be that one. Plus, I could use that money towards a couple of reassurance scans if I need them, or something for the baby if all goes well.

Thanks @rubyroot @beaglemum93 @Bluebelltulip and @knitkitty I think I'm going to give the NIPT a miss and save my money for something else.

Sorry you're having a tough time at the moment @Bluebelltulip. I'd say try not to think about it too much but I know that's much easier said than done. Hope you're okay 

So glad to hear everything's going well @Beaglemum93 - getting close now!

So lovely to hear from you @Yukka. Glad you and your daughter are doing well  thanks for the words of support!

@KnitKitty lovely bump pic. I think that's a great attitude to have. I think people do mean well when they comment on bumps, they just don't think about how their comments could be interpreted, especially by a pregnant woman who could already be feeling anxious.

@Mistymeow that sounds awful, I'm sure it was a very anxious time for you but I'm so glad everything was okay in the end! Fingers crossed it's plain sailing from here on! 🤞🏻

Sorry you've had such a scary time @Mistymeow! Hopefully the rest of your pregnancy will be more uneventful! I've got really dry and cracked skin on my hands too, it happens every year (I blame the antibacterial hand soap fifty thousand times a day because of giving flu jabs...) but it does seem worse this year so I don't know if pregnancy is making it worse.

I had my second GTT yesterday and I still don't have GD! Apparently he's just a big baby. Next growth scan is on Thursday. I'm getting an awful cold though (thanks to "D"H).

I'm trying to get prepared for Christmas too @KnitKitty. Mostly because I'm due so close to Christmas I want everything sorted before I'm too big and uncomfortable to do it.

Glad all is going well with you and baby @Yukka!

@Dimblebimble 1 in 6000 is excellent odds. When you have a nuchal of 5.8mm and fluid around the baby then you worry!
Having had a t21 diagnosis through cvs after a very worrying scan I do sometimes wonder why people worry about these very good odds. I also know many people who have had 1 in 150 and even 1 in 80 and baby has been fine. Turn it arou d and that's 79 in 80 chance your baby won't have ds.

I wasn't given any odds for my nipt. It was just low risk and I was happy with that, at 41 and having a previous t21 diagnosis. Please put this to bed. 1.3 is very low for nuchal and this is the key factor. There's also lots of other stuff they can see on scan. For example my consultant this time round when I went for nipt told me this was a very different baby from last time and would be low risk, and she was right. She worked this out from the scan alone.

@Mistymeow that sounds incredibly scary. I think that's why they don't always check heartbeat. I'm so sorry you went through that, you must have thought it was over. Bloody hell. I get so anxious at every scan waiting to hear that it has a heartbeat and then the relief. But to hear no heartbeat.. Poor you. Glad everything is okay though. 👍Is your 20 week coming up?

@KnitKitty I think your bump looks normal for 26 weeks, but then I think I also carry up front and am all bump. I wonder if anterior placenta adds to this. I was also proud of my bump last time around and didn't really care when people said I was big. I was and had a very prominent bump, loved it and loved being pregnant. I think ill feel more proud of this one too once I get over the next hurdle which is my 20 week scan.

@Twitwooo sorry to hear about your nausea and sickness. How many weeks are you now? I'm feeling sorry for myself because I seem to be getti g constant colds, they last ages, I recover for a week and then I get another. I've generally felt a bit rundown this pregnancy and my headache has returned with this cold.

I'm currently sat here wishing i could get my feet up like @KnitKitty but no chance of that with my toddler who has just entered his terrible twos, he's still gorgeous though. 😍Get your feet up whilst you can, read a book etc, take the opportunity whilst it's there.

@Kayjay2018 really pleased to hear your results are back and all is well! I hope you can start to feel a little more secure in this pregnancy now x

Hi @Lozzak87 and welcome, sorry for your losses but congratulations on this pregnancy x

@rubyroot I love that you haven't told people with that lovely bump giving the game away! I can't imagine telling people but I'll have to tell clients if I get to 12 weeks due to my line of work - there are lots of things I won't be able to do or will need to modify.

@InDreamland @janey15 thanks for the support! I think I'll probably book a private scan at about 10 weeks and if all is ok then I'll book the harmony. Just over a week and a half to get through.

@InDreamland sorry you're still feeling anxious too. All I can say is each day is a win - you must be close to 24 weeks now? Re mat leave, I think most people aim for 37/38 weeks? I left at 35 but that was twins and tbh they made me leave - I'd happily have stayed a bit longer!

@Squiff70 so lovely that you're feeling movement! Chuffed for you. And @Frillyfarmer great to hear you're getting loads of wriggles too!

Hi @Melpops36, GBS must be a worry for you but the fact that it's flagged means you'll be treated appropriately at delivery so that mitigates so much of the risk. Hope your last few weeks go well - not long!

@Twitwooo great that you've sorted your scan - that's a weight off! I know what you mean about long days, I'm normally up between 5 and 6, either for work or just because I'm awake after my fifteenth wee. But then I do go to bed at about 9 at the latest - I'm OLD

@sadtoday21 are you going for a scan today? Good luck if so!

@Bluebelltulip glad to hear hr was normal, everything crossed it stays that way. Sorry to hear about your recent bereavements, I hope you have plenty of support around you?

@Notnowokay welcome and I'm so sorry for your losses. How did your appointment go?

@Dimblebimble they are very low risk results. FWIW I will be having NIPT purely because it's a more accurate test (and because I'm old so my risk is higher anyway). I struggle with uncertainty so want as close to a conclusive result as I can get. However with your results you really are at extremely low risk of any trisomies.

@Yukka congratulations on the safe arrival of your little girl!

@KnitKitty beautiful bump! I absolutely love having a bump, can't wait for one this time. Being pregnant is actually the only time I'm completely comfortable with my body, as you say I'm amazed at what it's doing and can't be critical of it!

@Mistymeow that sounds like a horribly stressful few days, you must have been so worried. So pleased all has turned out to be ok and long may that continue!

Sorry if I've missed anyone - so much going on in here!

@Yukka nice to see that you are both doing well. My DD1 tracked the 9th centile too after being born on the 6th, not sure where she plots now though as I've not weighed her for a while.

@Knitkitty thank you. I get a high heart rate in pregnancy and have had plenty of ECG's, I don't get palpation's though. Your iron will be tested in your 28 week bloods, my hemaglobin levels are just about in the normal range but my ferratin levels (iron storage) came back quite low so I'm now on iron tablets.

@Twitwooo I hope you are feeling better soon.

@Mistymeow fingers crossed for no more scares. My eczema has got worse this pregnancy.

@Dimblebimble and @SunshineCrocodile thank you.

I had my first 'you look like you are about to pop' comment from a stranger today, she was shocked when I said I have over 2 months to go.

@rubyroot I know it comes from a place of kindness but please stop minimising everyone's concerns - it is perfectly human and understandable to worry about screening results, whatever they are against the "average". I can't understand what you must have gone through with regards to your t21 diagnosis but to dismiss other people's genuine concerns over their results isn't fair. we've all been through losses and this thread is meant to be a safe and friendly place to come to share our concerns. People cope with different situations differently and we're all coping with pregnancy after loss in different ways. Worry and anxiety is quite often a part of that.

Okay @highhourhummus you've obviously changed your username. I'm not minimising at all. But I don't need to come back on this thread. Thanks

Well I lied... Didn't want to leave without saying good luck to all of you and I hope some of you can enjoy your pregnancies regardless of the obvious anxiety. I wish you all the very best through your pregnancies, childbirth and beyond.

Hi and thank you all for the warm welcome.

@TwittleBee, at the hospital I'm at now I been told since I'm already been referred to diabetes clinic and being seen by a diabetes consultant I don't need to see another hospital consultant about the same pregnancy. This makes it seem like my diabetes is to blame, but no. I had the best control with ds2, but I didn't have postmodern for him. So everything is open to speculation. My diabetes control with him was very tight and my hba1c was great.

@SunshineCrocodile I ended up not being seen. Because I had an diabetes appointment first and then followed by obstetrician appointment. It being half term the clinic was running very late and despite being at the same place (sharing same receptionist) the doctor end up leaving as I was technically very late (2hr 30min late) and told to tell the diabetes doctor to refer me again after 20 weeks scan. Since the appointment itself was causing me lot of anxiety I just left it like that. I am aware I could have gotten up and enquired about my other appointment sooner, but I didn't do that.

I'm being rubbish again! I'm reading but not replying to everyone. DD has some sort of virus and I've spent the past two nights cleaning sick, changing sheets and generally having no sleep. Hence the 3am post! DH is working this weekend so I'm very much doing it all alone and I'm exhausted. Also hoping I don't catch it!! Good thing is I haven't had time to worry about my growth scan on Tuesday or Google anything else about why my bump could be measuring big. I'm still dreading it though.

I couldn't not reply to you @RubyRoot. Please don't leave the thread. You've been a constant on here and you always give great advice and support. I don't think you're minimising (or that you ever have) more that you're coming from a place of experience and trying to be level headed and practical. I actually really appreciate this kind of advice when I'm spiralling in my anxiety but we are all super anxious and sensitive, so people are bound to disagree or take things the wrong way. Please don't feel you have to leave. I know I (and I'm sure others) would be very sad to see you go xxx

Great to hear from you @Melpops36! I can't believe how far you are now! I don't know much about GBS but it's great you're being monitored. Try and keep calm (ha- coming from me!) and trust in the care you're receiving.

You poor thing @Mistymeow. My anxiety sky rocketed just reading what you've been through! Don't ever feel you can't share stuff on here. Yes, sometimes it is hard to read other people's experiences, but we are all in this together. I'm pleased all is ok and hope things are smoother from here.

Finally, the original Mrs Positive Pants is back!! Yay @Yukka! Lovely to hear you and Baby Yukka are doing so well xxx

@Notnowokay ah okay, I'm glad you're being seen by a consultant at least. Hopefully with everything being under speculation they'll be even more cautious and careful about everything and look at every angle? No reason to just focus on your diabetes (fyi, I know nothing about diabetes) as could have been a number of things? If you want the answers and a plan forward I hope you get that from the consultant. If you don't want that, I know many women who don't, then I hope they watch you cautiously. Hope all goes well.

Regarding the recent upset of the group. I hope no one feels like they have to leave. This is. Understandably, a very emotional place and misunderstandings and conflicts of advice / well wishing will happen all the time. There is obviously difficulty when using your own experience to compare and help others. As long as we are all honest with each other when something doesnt help and we can respect that, then hopefully we can all stay here as friends in this hard journey.

My morning sickness is completely gone. I'm convinced I'm waiting for bleeding to start. It's weird though, because even with my MMC I had sickness up to the ERPC.

Oh and now I'm laying in bed with horribly cramps. Pretty sure this is the start of the end