November 2014- thread 4- 12 week scans and blooming in the second trimester!

[barmybunting]

Hi everyone, we have run out of posts on our last thread so hopefully we'll all find this one easily enough.

Here is to more positive 12 week scans and enjoying our second trimesters, all feeling more human hopefully!

alita I've not done it but if you look at www.placentanetwork.com it will give you local people who will collect the placenta and turn it into capsules. It's supposed to make your milk fabulous, make recovery fantastically fast and healthy and be super healthy for you but I'm not sure I can get my head around it to do it myself, but I'm considering it.

My rule with natural products is basically if it has ingredients in it that I can't name the plant it came from or I can't pronounce then I don't use it on my little ones. I take the rule that if they don't NEED it, then I don't use it. So things like cradle cap, it's not dangerous, it doesn't hurt, they won't grow up bald, it's nothing serious, it doesn't need chemicals to get rid of it on a newborn's head. I leave it or I'll use a gentle comb and olive oil or coconut oil if I really want to reduce it. Things like nappy rash cream, I don't use anything preventative, I'll only use something if they actually have nappy rash and even then only if it is sore or irritating, and I'll try coconut oil first or an organic baby balm before I'll reach for Bepanthan or Sudocrem. I don't use soaps or shampoos or bubble baths or baby lotions, again it's plain water or coconut oil till they actually have proper hair to wash and are crawling about and getting mucky. I don't use washing powders with optical brighteners, I use the natural ones which don't get whites white and they will look dull and not as clean, though they are actually as clean. I just think would I put this product in a bottle and feed it to the baby. If the answer is no then I don't use it. I once threw a total hissy at my mum because DD was in her high chair and mum has a cleaning obsession, and while DD was still eating, her face still inches from the tray, still food in her hands, mum SPRAYED her tray with LIMESCALE REMOVER (spray sending a fine mist of this stuff up into the air DD was breathing, all over the food she was eating and on her skin) because she couldn't find the multi-surface, not that it would have been any better, because she couldn't stand the spills on the tray and couldn't wait till she'd finished eating and had to do it RIGHT NOW. I don't use baby wipes, I have packets around for the odd emergency, but I use water and a cotton cloth, I don't like wiping chemicals on kids faces, and fingers they then suck or delicate baby bottoms. That's just my general rules really. I go to local health shops for natural products (for kids, not me, I'll use whatever toxic crap going when I'm not pg to hold back the years as long as poss!!!!) and look online for organic products. I had to relax when DD whent to school because her headmistress complained that her white socks weren't as white as they could be, when I explained about carcinogenic optical brighteners and the effect they can have she looked at me like I was from Mars, and questioned the freshness of her dried apricots because she'd never seen natural sticky brown ones which weren't artificially made to look orange by adding sulphur. And this woman is responsible for educating my child. Utter moron.

tigsy - new date in the other thread for you.

wow random - your dd's school sounds quite place all in - what with the mums, headmistress and her white socks and orange apricots. You must do a pretty good job of keeping all that negativity hidden from your DD!

I completely agree with you Random about not using unnecessary products on babies. I wonder if it's partly our consumer culture which means people feel they must be buying all sorts of specialist products to provide the best for their babies, when they are really unnecessary, or even harmful.

I've met people who do the placenta encapsulation too as well as placenta smoothies. It's really interesting stuff, although I don't think I'll be doing it myself. Placentas are totally amazing though (in my opinion), your babies lifeline for such a long time. I like the idea of doing prints from the placenta, although again I'm not sure I'd really do it! I can imagine framing them and some visitors being really freaked out!

Weeonion- I showed up bang on 2.45 in the end having dashed through the awful rain. I looked out for anyone with long red hair but we must've just missed each other. I did find it very funny when they mentioned referring you, such a funny world! The consultant asked my reasons for wanting a home birth but didn't try in any way to put me off, which was nice. Now I'm just waiting for my call from the HBT!

so coconut oil it is then, seems quite versatile!
I'll look into the placenta capsules though part of me wonders if it's a scam.

Does anyone know how much it costs to get stem cells from the umbilical cord extracted and stored?

to clarify - i meant the school environment's negativity.

stripey - you with the female consultant at the PRM?

weeonion it all boils down to one simple little fact - I don't fit their stereotypical parent criteria. I am (was!) younger than the other mothers who were late 30s on their firsts whereas I was 29, I am covered in tattoos, visible, obvious ones on my hands, neck, arms, legs, my hair is frequently blue, purple, pink or some other silly colour, I wear rock band t-shirts and biker jackets, whereas all the other mothers wear Boden and Cath Kidston, I listen to rock, they listen to Lada Del Ray, I do the hippy atachment parenting thing for as long as my kids need it, they have nannies and au pairs from a week old and send the little ones off to summer camps at 3 so they can have time to themselves, I am not rich, at all, sometimes money is tight and I struggle and I'm not ashamed to say I can't afford something, it's just how life is sometimes, they drive Porsche 4x4s and Range Rover's (which by the way they have no idea how to drive the 10 minute urban journey from their 3 million pound mansion to the school), they show off about how much their handbag cost, I show off what an absolute bargain knock down price I got mine for, they dote on their big strong chauvenistic husbands, I left mine and have chosen to be forever single since then, I must obviously be after their old, bald, fat, rich husbands then, I look like a bimbo yet I am weirdly knowledgeable and educated, more so than most of them and it does not make sense, surely I should be thick, chav, on drugs, violent or a slapper given how I look, yet I'm not, it does not compute, I'm weird, I don't fit in, therefore I must be feared and forced out, lest they catch my strangeness. It really is that simple. I hate that school and all the parents in it and it was the biggest mistake and regret of my life sending her there, even more so than marrying her father. I am literally counting the days till DD leaves. I know I sound slightly unhinged, that it can't possibly be all them and no responsibility lies with me, but I swear on DD's life I did nothing to any of them and in fact tried to be as good a friend as possible, helping with childcare when they needed it, staying behind at every party to help clean up when all the other parents left, I hosted loads of parties for the kids, always made an effort to be friendly and complimentary, if any of them had rang me at 3am needing help I would have done whatever I could to help but when they witness an event, know that I then get accused of something, being the easy target, they all saw what happened and saw it wasn't me and I didn't do it, and not one said anything, even though I was begging them to help me, even though I was being threatened with losing my daughter and facing criminal prosecution, and they did nothing, well Einstein sums it up, the world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who witness evil deeds and do nothing. I am bitter and can rant about this for literally hours and this thread is not for that so that's the last I'm saying on the matter, but suffice it to say, if that school burnt down and I never saw any of those people again I'd die a happy Mummy.

Thanks ladies. I'm not keen on taking other supplements during the rest of the pregnancy, I struggle to swallow tablets as it is (and am not very good at remembering to take them every day despite them staring at me in the kitchen!)
I do remember taking Vitamin D when breastfeeding before, didn't realise it was recommended during pregnancy as well. Maybe I need to do some more reading!

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I think we would get on random! I'm definitely more into rock, metal and all that (and corsets which I can't wear anymore :() than all this stereotypical mother shit.

Although my dress sense has normalised a bit since doing nursing and having dsd, I am young, look young (5 ft 1) and a band top makes me look younger and fed up of funny looks as I walk down the street with dsd :p

petal - it might just be in Scotland that vit d is recommended?

Weeonion- yes I am! It's funny of all the clinics in the city I think we've ended up at the same one. I think you must be about four weeks ahead of me (expect my EDD to be approx 20-25 Nov) so it'll be interesting to be on the same path and hopefully head towards our h

Weeonion- yes I am! It's funny of all the clinics in the city I think we've ended up at the same one. I think you must be about four weeks ahead of me (expect my EDD to be approx 20-25 Nov) so it'll be interesting to be on the same path and hopefully head towards our home births together.

Sorry, my tiredness is making me unable to post messages properly. Time for sleep I think!

Vitamin D is recommended by the Dept for Health for all pg & bf women. Scotland is more susceptable because it's further North & cloudier & colder and you don't get as much natural vit D from the sun, but it's recommended for all of us.

alita a kindred spirit! I love my corsettes too! I still get ID'd for fags, or rater did before I stopped when I got my bfp! I once pulled in to the petrol garage in my very grown up car, with my 7 year old calling "Mummy Mummy Mummy!" at me, with my tattos on show (which you need to be 18 for), filled up with petrol, went in to pay and asked for a lottery ticket and 20 Marlboro Lights (which I didn't smoke around DD by the way!) and the guy refused to serve me! It was very flatttering and I took it as a compliment but I was 36 at the time!! Just in jeans, trainers & a GnR t-shirt and no make up.

When I was pg before I was in the supermarket & bought a box of beer for my Dad & ex while they were working on our house, and 3 members of staff lectured me on drinking during pregnancy. Not had anything like that yet, though not bought anything I shouldn't have yet, but just remembered that!

fair enuff Random - i just cant imagine how i would cope with all that. I feel lucky that none of that crap happens at DDs school.

aah- stripey.... tis fate
my EDD moved from 6th nov to 26th oct (which i am still about) and with DD - they moved a fair bit.... Its nice to have a homebirthing clinic buddy if I dont have a duedate buddy as yet on this thread...

14wks 5 today...

random it doesn't help with my spots atm :p

I don't mind looking youngish, being 20 it's ok, what I don't understand is how some people assume I'm 25- 27 until I say otherwise (usually at work) and yet others think I'm 16... (a look I'm trying to avoid while pregnant :p) I don't see how my face can be so versatile!
I have a draw full of black tops with various bands and other things on which I refuse to get rid of but I'm worried people will think I'm dsds sister :p So I'm more into black lace and black boots atm :)

oh and pregnancy has convinced me leggings are a good idea :p (just not without a top covering my bum!!)

if anyone is interested Primark are doing these 'cami dresses' basically a dress length vest top, they're good in a size up from your normal size for the next month or so while bumps build up, over leggings and things or even as a dress if you went out for a meal. For £3.

DP wants us to go to his friends rock night on Saturday night (he's a dj or something in a pub) he's happy to tell the people we know well enough so I don't have to hide not drinking wahoo, first social gathering free from anxiety :D We don't normally go to things on weekends we have the kids but it seems every thing happens on those weekends and we never have invites for things on the other weekends so occasionally we ask his mum to baby sit, we miss everything, though we occasionally swap in and out of things or one or us goes and the other stays with the kids.

alita I got some of those vests! They're brilliant! I also got some of the cropped leggins in bigger sizes and they're pretty good too. And they have loads of floaty summer dresses that are that really elasticy stretchy crinkly style on the boobs then loose & flowy boobs dows and they'll last most of the way through (I hope!). Again I got them in a larger size because the boob bit is so stretchy it is still tight enough on smaller boobs with extra space on the big bellies! (If that makes any sense!!)

I get a lot of looks for being a gym slip mum especially as DD is so much bigger and older now, she's up to my shoulders and it does look like I was 12 when I had her instead of 29 but I don't care, let them judge as much as they like, we know the truth so sod 'em, none of their business. I spent years with ex husband having to dress a certain way and wear certain clothes and do my hair like this and make-up like that and not embarrass him and I refuse to have anyone tell me how I can and can't look anymore. I will look however the hell I want and if someone doesn't like it they can close their eyes or look away.

Elliekins - not a private scan as such but I'm in the USA so they go into a bit more detail here. They don't have to but they often are happy to give you more information if you want it. She did assure us though that it's only about 70% accurate at this stage so we are taking it with a pinch of salt for now! Would really love if it's a girl though

Petal: I feel the same about the prenatal vitamins. I always gag on them too and they repeat on me if my stomach isn't full enough. I'm also ridiculously paranoid that the fish oil and added vitamins in the ones I took with DS made his head huge which is why I had to have an episiotomy ... totally ridiculous theory but he does have a massive noggin, even now! DH and I have pretty average-sized heads by comparison .

I have one and a half bottles of vitamins left though as I bought them in bulk so will force myself to use them up for the next couple of months and then check with doctor if I still need them. Might not take them every single day though...

Ha! Interesting theory Avery :-)
DD has a big head too and we have always had to look for tops that have poppers rather than just elastic at the neck as they're not big enough! (I also had an episiotomy)
But that's my fault, I have a massive head, 'one size fits all' hats do not fit me in shops, boo :-(

Another day at school today and then some cheesy boyband action with McBusted at the NEC tonight, wahoo! :-)

Has anyone else been having really weird dreams? Last night DS and I were stuck on the cable car needing rescuing while I was heavily pregnant (you get lowered on a rope into a waiting boat on case you want to know how they do it), the night before we were living with a serial killer as a lodger (we don't even have a spare room). Really strange dreams!

DS started talking to me about baby brothers and sisters. He was given a sweet by one of his best mates little sister and he said if he ever had a little brother or sister he would share it with him. He then started talking to me about his other friend who is going to have a new baby brother/sister soon and we had a little chat about how excited his friend must be, and how special little babies are especially if they are a new cousin or sibling. Was a lovely little chat, don't know what brought it on, as we've not mentioned my pregnancy at all with him. Can't wait to tell him now, after the scan.

I'm still going to take my vitamins for the moment, even though I'm over 12 weeks. I was anaemic last time, so don't want to limit my birth options even more. Also I didn't take anything regularly after 12 weeks last time as the vitamins kept making me feel sick, but DS was a lowish birth weight (6lbs 14oz at 2 weeks overdue) and I keep wondering if it was connected. There is a small chance that this one may be born by ELCS at 37 weeks if my platelets keep dropping, so bizarrely want a big a baby as possible.

Also vitamin D is important! There was a baby locally,who died recently from rickets as the parents hadn't seeked any medical treatment for him. They are in jail now.

Anyone had an itchy mole just found one and I'm worried

A friend had one recently loaf and they were really good at getting right onto checking everything out as soon as she told the gp. It turned out benign and I'm sure you'll be fine too but you should definitely get it checked just in case.

DS slept till 7.15! We got to wake up and have morning fun (sorry if tmi) and then get him up in a happy state too! Feel like we've had a whole weekend!

Thanks utopian and good work on the 'multitasking'!