October 2013 - Operation Baby Eviction

[MrsHoratioNelson]

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Key:
SC - still cooking (pre EDD)
SFW - still f*ing waiting (post EDD)
OWT - on way to theatre (CS)
IP - induction in progress
SWIL - somewhere in labour
LIT -lost in transition

Thank you sanji, DD can visit 9-9 but as shes only 1 next weekend and I'm going to be having a block put in after the op (for pain relief as im allergic to diclofenac) plus diamorphine on a drip I will be bed-bound for 24 hours and I may feel very drowsy/sick for a while after she will most likely be visiting tuesday afternoon, it will be the longest we've been apart ever so hoping facetime will work in hospital!

Oh dear Smitten. We know a fabulous Felix, he's two now and a real character - mischievous, funny and a real charmer with a halo of cherubic curls. He was also a really, really, easy going baby, much more than his older brother, but don't let that lull you in!! Did you know the name means happy? I think that's great. There are plenty of little boys called Felix now, so if you like it, go for it.

Enjoy that pasta Clapham :)

Congratulations Littleduck

Pseudo I agree with the others- would defo piss me off. DP and I use our FB accounts in a similar way- to be nosy keep up with friends, but not give a running commentary of our lives. But as MoN said, you tell the full story (upon agreement) or say nothing. Or it's a bit childish and attention seeking.

Umlauf it sounds like you and Bertie will be much more relaxed once you're home.

Going for a walk today, but am fully expecting to be SC in 2 weeks!

Enjoy your Sunday ladies xx

smitten - my blood is boiling on your behalf! My ILs did separately make noises about certain names being 'good' and 'bad' but I (rudely) made it clear to them that I wasn't going to discuss any names with them. At all.

Thanks ladies. I'm so annoyed at my mum, especially as I asked her not to tell anyone. To be fair my aunts are all over 80 so they're not very up with modern baby names.

I just treated myself to a lovely winter coat from Whistles to cheer me up a bit. I hope it fits after bubba arrives

Checking in not been on in a while. 37+2 tomorrow getting my induction date for 38 weeks and also having a sweep!!!! Finally on the way there!

We're home! So nice to be in our own space at last and I've managed a poo without hurting my stitches! and I can catch up here properly and update you on Bertie!

smitten which coat did you get? Did you use the Grazia discount? I was reading Grazia while in labour admiring everything!

pseudo I've checked back but can't find your post about your news, I really hope you're OK though and I know what you mean about attention seeking FB posts, I HATE THEM passionately, and especially as you are the ones getting the PMs about it. Grr.

favellio how exciting! Hoping for some news soon!

GT glad to hear you're home and baby feeding well. What's his name? How's he getting on with DS??

littleducks congratulations!! Details please!

So Bertie still hates my boob. Last night we had another go with another midwife, she was probably the most patient one, but it was increasingly distressing for us both and eventually he was screaming from the moment I held him near my breast. When my nipple is introduced he either spits it out like it was poison or just refuses to suck. I've tried when he is calm or even asleep and he just lies there with it in his mouth. Any attempt to coerce a deeper latch is met with hysterical screaming. I was in hysterical tears, so was he, it was awful. They've sent us home with loads of Nestle and when I told my Mum this she called me a chav!

I've tried:

• enticing him by covering boob with expressed colustrum
• forcing him
• plonking nipple in mouth whenever he opens mouth (either spits out or stays very still until it falls out, refuses to suck)
• lying down side by side feeding
• syringing expressed colustrum in while he has nipple plonked in mouth to try and get him to suck/link the two
• skin to skin in hope he works out why I have boobs!
• nipple shield thing (worked for literally 1 second, the longest he's managed)

I don't know what to do. It's like he is missing the instinct or something. I don't know what a helpline can tell me over the phone that I haven't read in the literature, but am willing to try phoning on Monday. The problem is us both getting so emotionally worked up by it - last night DH had to do everything because I was convinced I was damaging Bertie by going anywhere near him.

God that was a long moan! I was going to post it in Breast/Bottle feeding but I read some posts first and there are some horrid posters on there, quote: "I just hate those flippant comments about it just not working when it is just about choice. Don't devalue the effort I put in just because you didn't want to go down that path."

Umlauf I am so glad your home. I not just saying this to discourage you at all or because i have found myself bottle feeding but your not a chav!! Bertie still needs to eat don't be so hard on yourself, keep trying if its what you really want but I honestly believe he wont be at detriment for being bottle fed plenty on skin to skin when your feeding with the bottle and maybe he will take to your breast in his own time.

Can i ask is he Jaundice? that plus my blood loss again set me a willz off to a losing start although she has tried to latch on she just was not getting what she needed but if they are sleepy or jaundice it can be very hard for them but when they come out of it after usually 14 days they might be able to get breast milk then if your expressing. This was my plan but milk has gone MW said due to high blood loss again it was inevitable but I am sad a little I really enjoyed the one day she had the energy!

Big non MN hugs whatever happens and enjoy the snuggles xxxx

Congrats Littleducks!

To those suffering with pain post birth, I also recommend arnica and being hyper vigilant re infection.

Good luck tomorrow Cherry - have you had a CS before? I found it v surreal after a natural birth first time round.....

Umlauf - I can second the anecdotal advice that boys are slow to learn to latch.... Hugo didn't "get" what in earxh to do for 48 hours, whereas DD and Valentina latched immediately post birth! H definitely had to "learn".

Can I ask a question of those who've already had DC 2+? I'm feeling really guilty because I feel like the twins are getting nowhere near as much attention as DD did as a newborn. She got my undivided attention and I responded to her every cue... She never cried! Whereas the twins... I just have to put them down most if the time to see to DD and just house jobs, and they fairly often have to briefly cry before I can feed them, eg if we are mid school run. DD was cuddled and stared at and spoken to so much more... Is this normal?

Glad you're home Umlauf. The feeding must be so frustrating. To be honest if I were you I'd just jack it in and stick to formula. It's not worth getting upset about it, don't listen to the militants.

I'm going to try it and if it works, it works, but if it's a struggle then I'm reaching for a bottle and I'm not going to be made to feel bad about it. At least your other half gets to help out that way too.

I hope I don't sound rude, but I've seen so many people get upset about not being able to breastfeed and in the end it doesn't make any difference to their kids at all.

I got the Jourdan wax parka, I hope I'll fit in it! I used the Grazia discount, I found one online. It's nice to buy something for me for a change and not baby stuff.

Oh and Pseudo - I'd be v v pissed off. ANC good luck Favellio!!!

And Smitten... I love Felix !

smitten I'm rather fond of the name kasper but get the usual Casper the friendly ghost comments and I just CBa to contend with it all and dh isn't keen so ATM I'm 37+6 and he's still a nameless baby.

umla that's very harsh of your mum too u a chav! I won't even be attempting breast feeding and will be going straight to formula and I don't care if that makes me chavvy cos its my body my baby and my choice. The most important thing in all of it is that u are both well happy and fed whether it be breast or bottle.

Good luck tommorow cherry xx

clapham glad u have your house back to yourself to relax :-) x

Oh umlauf positive thinking. Isaac also seems to hate my boobs ATM but he likes what comes out of them I'm going to have another go at 4 when visiting has finished.

Legally DD got constant 100% undivided attention till DS came along never cried for food, got loads of cuddles Eric. When DS came along he was kind of fed and put back down again. He is now a happy, chatty thriving 2.7 yr old who is very content to play by himself unlike his Sister

Umlauf DC1 couldnt breastfeed for medical reasons so I happily expressed and bottle fed breast milk till her health issues took over and she needed prescription milk. I was very proud that i could express 6oz in 10 mins I was like a dairy cow is this an option for you? It will get your milk supply going and Bertie will be getting good food. Was it Legally who fed one of the twins with a sippy cup to help?

haven't had time to catch up yet but just to let you all know that they are inducing me. Just had the gel applied to my cervix, now gotta wait 6 hours before they decide whether to start me on a drip or not x

Congrats littleducks and good luck cherry and favellio on impendng arrivals SC here @ 38+6

legally yes that is totally normal with 2nd+ DC. When I had DS I spent half my time feeling guilty that DD then wasn't getting the attention she'd been used to and the other half feeling guilty that DS was just having to 'fit in' and left to cry for a bit longer before feeding etc if i was already occupied with DD as you described.

I know it must be doubly hard with twins as obviously its twice as much newborn attention required, but don't worry, it will all sort itself out and you do all readjust. My DD didn't ever cry either really whereas DS ended up being much more demanding - but that could just be down to their different personalities!! You don't have those lovely times of just staring lovingly at DC1 (or as many) but the flip side is that when they get bigger it is so lovely to see them playing together and being really good friends.

Good luck fav - now 'IP' I suppose!

Apperley, I can't remember if I said welcome before. Welcome!

Hello Ladies, my you've been a chatty bunch this w'end.
I've been away at my parents for the last time pre-bub. Marathon cake baking session for a catch up with DS's NCT buddies celebrating 6 years of knowing each other. A bit surreal now having our no.2 imminent.

Anyone else feel like you're having 'last suppers' with the...'Good Luck. Next time we see you the baby will be here...' I might post a pic on FB of the cupcakes I made as I can't share them with you over the ether!

My support as ever goes out to you with bf and pg probs. All the good advice has been shared already.

I can't remember who had the ballet-teacher issue, but I wanted to applaud your email to her- has she responded?!

roxvox my yoga breathing advice is to concentrate on breathing out thinking of 1. light mist, 2. coloured light, 3. blowing bubbles, 4. 'dragons fiery breath', then rubbing your hands together and chanting . The last one really takes your mind off pain, at least in practice.....

shire kindle is great- but annoying that you can't flick back through the book (I'm getting lost as to who's who in GoT)

smitten love the name (and the coat!) I think it's far easier for people to accept a name when attached to a baby than when it's a mere concept. I haven't dared mention my name preferences to even my DM after her reaction to DS's. Mind you- the response here wasn't great either!! I've come away from my NCT mates armed with baby name books and a mission to make some sort of decision before DDay...

and clapham and untitled? I share your visitor angst. I love the idea of it, but after about 48hours I feel invaded and fear I'll end up being rude before they go. I love the idea of running a B&B- providing all the home-from-home comforts but not actually having to talk to the guests!

Mammoth post. Sorry. to those in need, and a kick up the arse to the insensitive OHs.

smitten can i officially blame you for me having just bought a jumper off Whistles website? Code is WH25AW13 for any other shopoholics temptees...

Congratulations Littleducks!

Best of luck favellio xxx

Thanks Mnippy its a bit hard keeping up though!
Aaargh please don't fuel my online shopping addiction anymore! It has def taken a turn for the worse since being off work

DH just bought licorice allsorts - haven't had in ages and working my way quickly through the whole packet, apparently licorice can help bring on labour any excuse

Congrats to all the new babies,,,feel out of touch but I haven't had much chance to look at the thread. Fb has just been easier.

umlauf I wouldn't stress over the feeding. It's really not worth it. Give it time as until your milk is in there isn't that much to entice them. But if it doesn't work, try expressing or formula if you're happy with it. Your LO will do fine on either so it's not worth ruining your early days together by stressing, hugs x

smitten I'd be raging! You need support from your own mum, not mocking. I know a Felix too. I think sometimes that generation are out of touch with what is normal now and where Felix may seem alien to them, it is a relatively popular name and your child won't get mocked. I'm sure she'll come round once she sees him though x

Another one totally fed up now, I could just try. I'm 39+4 and feel like this baby has no intention of ever coming out. I have no plans as I thought he would be here hb now and no desire to do anything. I'm also hating myself for finding ds draining. He is at such a cute age but I feel short tempered with him as I'm so uncomfortable and stroppy! Arghhhhhh

umlauf did they check for tongue tie? My DS was tongue tied and needed an op. Sadly we had to wait for the op for a few weeks, by which time despite using boob and bottle he had developed a distinct preference for the bottle and screamed blue murder if offered the boob. We never established breast feeding properly, though I expressed for 8 weeks. My milk supply was crap though, never got anywhere near the amount he was drinking. Gave up at that point. I also had large blood loss like falcon and was quite anaemic.

Had an NCT breast feeding class yesterday, where I ended up in tears about it all, even though it was 3 years ago.

The main tips from the class were 'tummy to mummy' and 'nose to nipple'. The lady also said DONT shove the boob into their mouth for them as it can be really off putting for them, just leave their nose near the nipple and wait and see.