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December 2013 - part 3

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Holly1977 · 05/06/2013 14:06

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/antenatal_clubs/1740732-December-2013-part-2

Starting yet another thread as us chatterboxes have filled up 2 already!

Jucy, I'm so sorry to hear your news. Big hugs, wish there was something more I could say. Flowers

Frouby, if you're feeling crap just fuck the housework off, I do! It'll keep.

I'm scared and excited in equal measures about the scan on Friday. Looking forward to seeing bean and being able to get on with things. But obviously scared of getting bad news like Jucy... 2 days, 1 hour and 50 minutes to go!

My friend has offered to be a birthing partner too. I may well take her up on it, I suspect she'll be more help than OH. And as I'm planning on having a home water birth and OH has already invited his bloody mum (!) think it'll be good to have a friend there. I'm not private at all, have zero issues with people seeing me naked (as my neighbours will tell you) and she's seen me throw up enough times from our party days (though never shit myself to be fair) that I'm not too fussed about that.

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2Labradors · 06/07/2013 09:07

Queen congratulations, what a long time to wait though

frouby maternity wear is rubbish isn't it? I have the 'hands off the bump' top from new look. I agree with everything being stripes or black. I would never have worn stripes pre-pregnancy, I don't need any help making me look bigger!
I didn't have a good experience with new look online so won't be doing that again.
I have a some items from eBay, especially a dress which is so comfortable for work and I would live in it if I could. I won a top though and when it came its absolutely massive. I'm keeping for the end of pregnancy as it will probably be ideal then.

Soopermum1 · 06/07/2013 10:10

congratulations on you new immigration status, queen. any plans on going the whole hog and becoming a Brit? Wink

dh has indefinite leave to remain but refuses to go for citizenship. I tease him about how it would be quicker to get through immigration at the airport.

have a few maternity clothes but they're all too big so have adapted some clothes, e.g skirts with stretchy waistbands I'm just wearing higher up, with leggings. got a lovely maxi dress in a size up from primark, would recommend, they have loads.

MildredH · 06/07/2013 10:27

I've found ASOS really good for mat clothes.. Free delivery & free returns so tend to just order anything that might look ok and return what doesn't..

That said- mat shopping in general isn't too inspiring! It's saving me money though as I'm usually a bit of a shopaholic!

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QueenofWhispers · 06/07/2013 10:40

Thanks everyone! I don't think I would ever be able to become britishI have this really weird sense of being loyal, and as an American I am only Allowed to hold dual citizenships (American and Indian). I deeply hope we can return to the US one day; it's just that my DH is quite patriotic when it comes to the UK and saving the queenand to be fair it's not bad at all. I live by a very nice park, there are enough Americans in London to keep me from feeling detached.

I wish there was a taco bell and a bw3's; but there is now a '5 guys burger and fries' in covent garden...so slowly America is invading. :) I just wish I could find more than two real Indian restaurants in London and it would be a perfect set up.

Also, I could live with much lower taxes.

AirDuster · 06/07/2013 11:03

"May be a bit un-pc to say but I get peed off with folk who think they have a right to everything this country has to offer cos they come from some shit hole in the EU but hard working, decent folk who are married to british citizens get a hard time being able to stay and contribute".

I'm sorry you get peed off. If it helps any - I'm from some shit hole in the EU, and somehow also hard-working and decent, and married to a British citizen.

Congratulations to QueenOfWhispers on your ILR. Multiple citizenship seems really complicated but if you're in Britain for a while it would be good to be able to get to vote here if that's all tempting - and if you can stomach the extortionate fee to become a citizen. If you were born in the US I thought you couldn't lose your citizenship rights? I'm intrigued!

Other than that - I've been quiet on these threads because it's been a high-risk pregnancy to date & wasn't sure whether I'd be around for long (but still here!!). I've spotted some names from here on the Antenatal Results & Choices thread - it's helped to know that uncertainty's a really common experience. Good luck to fellow anxious lurkers Smile

QueenofWhispers · 06/07/2013 11:30

I won't lose my citizenship as an American but I'll have to give back my Indian passport which was really difficult to get in the first place. I remember my parents having to prove their 'indian-ness' because their families left before India and Pakistan separated...it feels like a really bad divorce.

froubylou · 06/07/2013 11:54

Airduster, my comment wasn't aimed at anyone who is decent and hardworking and came to the uk to take advantage of its fabulous opportunities, its folk (from where ever in the world!) who come to the UK just to take advantage of the systems we have in place funded by the hard working tax payer. We have a fabulous and diverse culture which should and is celebrated in many forms.

But it also abused by a small minority of people who abuse that system. And its not just people from different countries who do it. We have our fair share of born and bred idle folk too. Our benefits system and NHS are fantastic but being stretched to breaking point by those who just take advantage of the system.

But welcome to the thread and congratulations! How many weeks are you now?

13loki · 06/07/2013 11:58

Queen Congrats on the indefinate leave to remain. I wouldn't bother with citizenship if it meant giving up another.
We are having citizenship issues at the moment. Hub and I are both British by descent, so this baby doesn't get automatic British citizenship (it would if born in UK, but not born overseas). We are also Australian, and born outside of Australia our child isn't automatically Australian, either. It will be born in Sweden, and doesn't qualify for Swedish citizenship, either. So it will be born stateless! panic It would cost about £700 to get British citizenship and passport, so the baby will be Australan (at about half the cost). Baby couldn't pass on British citizenship, either. Then in 4 years we will all become Swedish citizens.

So next year hub and I will be British Australian dual citizens, our eldest 2 kids will be British citizens and our youngest will be Australian.

Oh, and while the way the government treats non-citizen spouses of Brits is horrid ( I have a friend who had to move here to Sweden because her American husband was refused entry to Britain) it's not easy for other European citizens to get "everything this country has to offer" (which, by the way, is much less than other European countries), especially citizens of member states that joined the EU relatively late.

violetbean · 06/07/2013 12:09

Hi ladies (and jokey DPs) Grin

Off to a friend's hen do today, quite excited but hope it's all inside so I don't burn in the sun!

frouby, I would be pretty offended if someone described where I am from as a 'shit hole' so if you do every start a thread on the topic I would be careful with the choice of words. There's a fine line between 'un-PC' and just rude. Confused

Have a great day all!

Futterby · 06/07/2013 13:54

Can we just leave it at that? Lets not turn it into a debate :)

AirDuster · 06/07/2013 17:02

I'm sorry for being spiky. I do enjoy this thread - it's very supportive & often makes me laugh.

Froubylou, I'm 17 + 2 and beginning to relax into it. I'm still waiting for the second trimester energy burst though...

Futterby · 06/07/2013 17:34

I'm 19 weeks today and still waiting for it AirDuster Grin

Holly1977 · 06/07/2013 19:25

Thanks so much for all the lovely replies, and for sharing. I'm really glad I've got you guys to talk to.

I'm feeling a lot brighter today. OH and I have taken a break in hostilities, the sun is shining and I've been on a course today (and tomorrow) which is taking my mind off things. I know this doesn't mean everything's all right, just that today has been a good day.

I'm reluctant to label myself (or anyone for that matter) and it's something I try to avoid with clients but I think maybe I have got ante natal depression. I haven't been myself. I've always been fiery and feisty but since I got pg, frankly at times I've been an absolute frigging lunatic. I've lost it a few times (always with OH!) and just been totally out of control. I struggled with my anger for years but it was something I had got on top of and was able to control. Until I got pg. Maybe there is some kind of hormonal or chemical imbalance going on that's making me so emotional and volatile.

On the other hand maybe it's all the other shit that's comes with it. I realised today talking to someone who felt the same, that I don't really like being pregnant. Don't get me wrong, I want this baby as much as ever and can't wait to be a mum. I just don't like this bit in the middle (so far anyway). I miss drinking and smoking, sorry but I do. I don't like getting fat. I don't like that NONE of my clothes fit and my wardrobe for the next 5 months is going to be limited to 10 items of clothing. I didn't think I was that bothered about clothes. I only go shopping if I absolutely have to and everything I own is high street or from charity shops. I hate designer labels. But it turns out that now I can't wear even that, I'm pissed off. And yes ladies, mat clothes are fucking crap!

I'm pissed off at my hay fever and not being able to treat it properly. I'm pissed off with the back ache and dodgy hip. It annoys me that I have to be so careful all the time already, like lifting stuff and getting involved with the heavy fun work on the extension. And I imagine that all this shit can only get worse as I get more pregnant and the physical discomforts are just going to get worse. I feel awful for saying all this, like it's just not what you're supposed to say. But it's how I feel. The only good thing so far has been my hair not falling out any more. I just keep hoping I won't feel this way the whole time and once it gets bigger and I feel it moving and stuff and I know if it's Isabel or Sebastian, I'll feel more positive.

I think the pregnancy crazy has made things worse between OH and I . But I also think he's being a bit of an arsehole at the moment. You might be right Frouby, it does seem like he's stopped making an effort and just being a really typical crap bloke since I got pg. Though in fairness he's always been a bit irresponsible. In a way it's what attracted me to him. He's a lot of fun to be around, laid back, likes a drink but not too much, in touch with his child side, good with kids. But just a bit crap at getting off his arse and doing his share! So maybe it's a bit of both. Normally I'm the sensible one who keeps a lid on our arguments, usually I can use my counselling skills to help resolve conflict. But at the moment as I said, some days I am just bat shit fucking crazy. But yes, he's being an arsehole too.

Re bitch colleague, yes, that situation needs to be resolved. I have been thinking about what to say to her and definitely need to do it next time she has a go. And the work situation, the general worry around leaving my business for 6 months as well as that bitch, obviously haven't helped either. My assistant manager has agreed to do more hours and I've started training her. Just need to finish that, recruit someone else, train them and job's a good un!

Welcome to all the new additions, congratulations!

Featherbag, there is no way any employer can make a pg woman serve a night shift. If you've got in writing from occ health (which is my day job btw) that you cannot do night shifts for medical reasons, that's that really. An employer doesn't have to listen to OH but if they don't and make you do something that's unsafe or even don't like, you can leave and pretty much just write yourself a cheque for sexual discrimination and constructive dismissal. The OH report should be enough but your GP can also write you a fit note stating what you can and cannot do. Some employers set more store by GPs, some by OH. If I were you I would go see my GP asap and get the note. And I'd get another one from OH just to cover me. Covering shifts is not your problem, looking after yourself and bean is.

Bonkers, I'm planning on a water home birth. Despite advice given about not doing this, I've totally set my heart on it!

So yeah, sorry for the EPIC post. Thanks again, particularly to those who've shared their own experiences. It helps a lot. I'm going to do a few things to try and make myself feel better. Starting Monday I'm going to start meditating every day. I'm going to really make the effort to go to yoga, swimming etc. I'm going to buy a doppler (despite everything I said!), hoping that hearing the heartbeat will make it seem more real and I'll feel more connected. We'll know what flavour it in another 4 weeks then I'm going to buy some really cute outfits. I'm seeing the midwife next week, am going to talk to her. And, probably most importantly, hopefully OH and I can sort our shit out. Or not...

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Alyssa1978 · 06/07/2013 20:33

Thanks everyone about your lovely comments about my dp I was very touched.

I got a call from csa on Friday to tell me that ds1 bio dad has had another kid and phoned them 2 days after the birth to get his payments to my son reduced, they have gone down by a massive........£3 a week lmao, so he's saved himself £12 a month.

On a lovelier note my godson who I haven't seen or spoken to in 3 years ( his mum was my best friend for over 13 years but took the side of my ex and his new partner) couldn't have expected anything else though, she had also known him just as long as he is her dh best friend came into my shop today to see me and give me a hug Smile we had a good chat and as he's older now i explained why I couldn't keep going to his house ( ex lived 3 doors away) and we have reconnected and it was lovely, I asked after his mum and all that.

It's shocking when it takes a child to bury a hatchet where they shouldn't have been one, children are much more forgiving than adults sometimes, just had to share as it was a much unexpected and lovely thing to happen Grin

Ooh scan on Thursday, its getting closer Confused

Alyssa1978 · 06/07/2013 20:36

bonkers

I don't think I can do a home birth, I need to be close to the drugs.....just in case Blush
Water births scare me as I hate getting a bath, I'm a shower person and laying in a bath stresses me out lol.
Are you oing a home birth?

b0nker5Mum · 06/07/2013 21:26

I'm really not sure alyssa... 2 midwives have suggested it and I am considering it.. My labour with my daughter was very quick and no compilations (but 16 years ago) and we are 10mins away from the hospital... So just wondered what others thought of it...

I had a private scan today and baby waved! got a great pic of the hands! The sonographer kept away from the bottom half as we said we didn't want to know... The baby is breech and the placenta is at the front which is why I haven't felt much movement... Anomaly scan in 2 weeks still a little nervous tho...

Congrats queen... And other new people..

Holly, you should not worry about the stigma of depression there is a lot going on in your life which could make anyone feel down without having the hormonal imbalance that comes with pregnancy.

Alyssa1978 · 06/07/2013 21:48

Home birth might be good for you.
My first labour was 23 hours 45 minutes and my second one was just over 25 hours, I think mine just get longer lol.

Plus I'm a 40 minutes drive away from my hospital. Confused

mumoftwoboysS · 06/07/2013 22:12

Hi all, sorry haven't been able p catch up on all posts as have been on hols. Got back to my nuchal/blood results letter. Was 1:286 (the standard risk for my age)adjusted to 1:350 taking bloods into account I guess. One thing I'm peed off with tho is I saw the nuchal fold was 2.4 when she scanned me, and she also told me (when I asked) so why is it 2.9 on the form?? 2.9 is quite high... I'm not that happy with the results (but think I'm finding any reason to worry right now) also haven't felt much movement and already 15+6. (Felt quite a bit in both previous pregnancies by the same time) Thinking placenta could be in front hence not much feeling but the sonographer didn't tell me where it was. Going to see Mw this week (forgot to book my 16wk apt but will plead and beg for this week as can't wait) and discuss it. Just feeling a bit Sad about it all...

Talking about home births- well I didn't quite make it to the hospital with my 2nd- got as far as the walkway to the hospital door and had him there! Was more of a case of leaving if too late than it being too quick - tho labourwas only a couple of hours. Still prefer to go to hospital this time, I dunno, it's that reassurance that everything is there if anything should go wrong though I wouldn't rule out a he birth if DH was keen- he's dead against it- the fear of something going wrong and being too late to get to hospital or something like that!

yogafan · 07/07/2013 08:52

Hello everyone, I haven't posted for ages but have tried to keep up with what's going on with you all. I just thought I'd chip in on the home birth question - I'm planning one as I love the idea, hopefully in a birthing pool, and we are just down the road from a hospital. I planned one last time but DD was induced in the end (and arrived on he due date!) due to leaking waters. The induction, being in hospital etc was all fine and I wouldn't have a problem with doing it all again, but as this will prob be my last baby I'd like to try for a chilled home birth... Also, I don't have a clear plan about who would look after DD during this labour, just a list of potential people to call on, and was thinking that logistics might be easier if it were a home birth. Obviously, I might still end up in hospital, but I must admit I'm very taken with stories of mums who had their baby downstairs in the middle if the night while their older child slept soundly upstairs... I'm not banking on it but I'm keeping my fingers crossed...

QueenofWhispers · 07/07/2013 13:08

Girls,

is it wrong that I'm seriously sad about Egypt? For years it's been the only place I could afford to holiday and stay at the four seasons for free (Dh's husbands work have clients out there and paid for Dh's flights and hotel)...I <strong>just</strong> got my passport back and the first thing I realised was that there will be no snorkelling in the sea for me this year unless I'd like to actually pay for it. Of course I also had to battle the niggling feeling of sharks eating me...but whats life without a little excitement? 

Anyone have suggestions for a cheap holiday somewhere?
2Labradors · 07/07/2013 19:51

I noticed something this week which may sound strange, I could smell breast milk on me when i took my bra off of an evening. I recognised the smell instantly, and (sorry if TMI) just given my nipple a bit of a squeeze and hey presto, it's started ever so slightly, just watery.

The smell reminds me of my squidgy little babies Smile

merr · 07/07/2013 20:45

Holly, I also hate being pregnant, for much the same reasons. I hated it first time round and nothings changed 5 years on....

I'm living in 2 pairs of mat combats from ebay and super cheap cami stretch tops from primark, but I did manage to get some of the button and elastic things today so maybe can wear something else for a short while, weight gain seems to have slowed/stopped for now, bah.

I thought emotionally i'd been doing pretty well so far, up until today when I actually almost exploded with rage at my OH because...... he used the last piece of kitchen roll..... whilst cleaning the kitchen top to bottom.
I shouted, threw stuff and fell on the floor mentally gasping and sobbing, poor bloke looked totally shell shocked!

2Labs, I was trying to remember when the joy of leaky nips might start, now I know!

As for a home birth, I couldn't do it, my house is too small and messy plus like others I need to be near medical stuff (pain relief drugs).

Good luck for the upcoming scans, my 20 weeks not till mid August.

TakingTheStairs · 07/07/2013 22:34

queen I'm not sure I got the tone of your post correct, I hope I didn't.

Are you saying you're upset about what is going on in Egypt but not because of the people and the turmoil and the upset that they are struggling through, but that you're upset because now you can't have your free holiday in the Four Seasons?

froubylou · 08/07/2013 08:28

Morning all.

Have a new word. Twot. Means I'm too fecking hot lol.

Was out in it yesterday at a pony show and cooked. Got a lovely patchy tan, headache and must have spent half the time walking back and forth to the loo.

Holly glad you feel a bit more positive. Sounds like you are taking steps towards feeling better about things.

It's ok to not enjoy being pg. And completely normal. I love being pg, especially this time. But miss all the things I did before. I miss drinking and smoking and pate. I miss my clothes. I hate having to be careful around my ponies. I hate my boobs and hate the hay fever I have developed since I stopped smoking. I hate the constipation and the hair everywhere and the yucky discharge lol.

But when I feel really fed up I think about the baby, the person my currently revolting body is sacrificing so much to produce. And I get a little bubble of excitement about the future and this little person I have made. And then I feel like I am the luckiest person in the world! Xxxc

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