graduates of the wine-and-shagging-after-mc thread come hither!

[wilderumpus]

Seeing as practically all of us have now got pg, here is a new home for all of us to come to carry on chatting after getting the BFP after our mcs. Today we are pregnant! :)

Nauseau back ... yay!

one I know exactly what you mean; last night I went to bed at just gone 9 and sort of dosed and pondered - too tired to read or watch tv or anything, but was just lovely to be in bed where no one will bother me (including work!) I will do this a lot more often. :)

I have lost a couple of lbs apparently. I as hoping I put on this trimester weight straight away and would then level out and guess I did. phew!

Our friends didn't get back to us last night as they said they would, about coming to stay. I feel bad. Is it weird to say I feel guilty for being pg with what happened to them? I think that might be a hormonal feeling If they come I think I might just hide in my bedroom for fear of causing offence by my very presence (overthinking things much?!)

boo I read last night that from week 10 to 12 the baby doubles in size from 3-6cm. this might be why we are feeling rubbish this week? BIG business

must work. Meh.

halloween smileys! next time my pretties...

boo, one, wilde - you are growing babies! Sleep, eat, drink loads of water, eat some more, then go back to sleep! You are allowed. Or so my midwife just told me! Here, and [hbiscuit] for everyone.

Just had my 27wk check up. Heartbeat was 145 - definitely a boy then!! Uterus measuring 26wks - but I'd just had a bowl of thai chicken soup with ginger and lemon grass so baby had the hiccups and kept wriggling around!

Am going to book a 4D scan for next week so all ds can come and see the baby before it disappears head down into my nether regions. Wonder if I can persuade dh to take me shopping afterwards too, sheldon - like your thinking there. How wonderful that your scan was brill. Very exciting.

Was asked if I wanted a home birth. I am particularly OCD and swear like you wouldn't believe when in throes of birthing (saw a great number plate this morning by the way, "1M 0CD") so laughed hysterically, said how much mess there'd be, and suggested I'd never be able to enter the chosen room again afterwards, let alone what the neighbours (whom we've already upset numerous times) might think... so mw put down hospital!! I want access to drugs. Lots of them! [hgrin]

boo how did your appointment re worms go? Been thinking of you.

wilde think you and dh did the right thing to tell your friends and they will def thank you for it in the future. Who knows, they might even find themselves in a similar position, and do the same as you as they know it hurts but better to be honest. My s-i-l visited over the weekend (she is not pg again yet and getting very frustrated) and I felt guilty, still after all this time. She was a little sad, but put on a really brave face. I suspect it will be in Feb when her due date would have been that it really hits her. My mc dd is 17 Nov. Have booked a busy day to try to distract myself.

aw thanks ice. You are our most graduated and therefore wisest of, er, graduates [hgrin] glad your appt went well. and a 4d scan! exciting (and a bit scary - have you had one before?!)

have just worked my ass off for hours and am going to lie down for the last hour before getting DS. I feel sad because I was hormonal (just a bit sort of pmt-y and grumpy 'leave me alone' kind of mood) and he was really tired so we sort of clashed and I do not like it!

I am amused (sort of but also not iykwim!) by your ocd and need to be in hosp... mine is the same but opposite - I don't mind mess (though you put plastic curtains etc down on the floor etc so just sweep it all into one bundle at the end - well the MWs do!) but I DO mind not being in control! I need a HB because I am a control freak [hgrin]

ice my edd is the 20 nov! aw, I don't think I knew we were that close. I have no plans for that day but think it will be fine actually. I think.

Glad all went well with your checkup ice and I will gladly accept the tea and biccys, yum!

Glad one and wild that you are taking it easy - bed is good!

My appt was all a bit annoying really. At least, I was at the hospital for 3.5 hours (and it cost me £7 in parking) and waited for most of that time in between various appointments. The 'consultant' (not sure if she was consultant or midwife or doctor or what) took some notes from me and then said she would phone the microbiologist and let me know what he said. He basically told me (via her) nothing I didn't know - confirming that I could take some medicine but the later the better. So it wasn't really that helpful - he said just one dose, which is not the same as a normal dose (which is 2 doses) so I'm not sure it would work, and when I asked if there was actually any harm in having them she said no anyway. I asked if I could get rid of them naturally and she said she didn't ask him that. I am just not sure why I had to go through it all just for that. The worst bit was that after all that she said she could try and listen for the heartbeat and so I agreed and she couldn't hear anything. I know it is early days for that but obviously it was a bit worrying. I was so hoping to hear something. Then they lost some blood tests so I had to redo them which involved more queueing and waiting and then wait 40 minutes more for a prescription for this medicine which I can't even take yet and am not sure if I want to take anyway. Grrr.

Oh and finally they said they recommended against homebirth because of previous big baby. Which was all very patronising and irritating, even though I'm not absolutely sure that I want a homebirth.

Feeling depressed.

Also DH was supposed to be off today and phoned me towards the end saying that he has been called into work so I'd better rush back and I was really hoping to actually have some time with him for a change.

Anyway, I spoke to my mum who said she had been telling DH to look after me (which made me cry) and he said he was and he was aware he'd been busy with work.

oh dear am feeling rather emotional today. I know part of it is an underlying stress that the baby is not ok, on top of general ms, hormones, bloody parasites and general tiredness but . sorry for the me me me post.

oh boo how horrible. Here - well the thought of it at any rate. Perhaps a slice of the hairy bikers chicken and ham pie I'm cooking which does smell yummy and has plenty of white wine in it? (((Big hug!!))) Things will look better in the morning.

Boo you have a lot on your plate, hormonal or not it would be a lot to juggle, and they did mess things up a bit at your appt with whatever silly system meant that you couldn't speak to that guy directly or give you any real and helpful answers that lead to a definite end to this particular hell you've been going through for ages. Hope you can get a cuddle soon.

Ice, thanks for the tea and biscuits! That is funny about the OCD. Just at the moment I haven't cleaned properly since becoming lethargic but normally my house is clean. When you mentioned the mess involved in a HB it gave me an aha moment! But I was reading about drugs last night and I'm afraid to say I will probably want all I can have including an epidural, so will have to go into hospital anyway even though I will be envious of the control Wild will have at home.

Wild I'm sorry about your friends. I hope it doesn't leave you feeling too bad for much longer. I understand you feeling guilty about being pregnant, but (my "two cents" alert), that kind of guilt doesn't really lead anywhere good. Your being kind and respectful toward them but you have no reason at all for feeling guilty about being pregnant, no one does but least of all someone who knows how hard it can be to achieve. Save the guilt for when you've done something wrong. Your pg is the hook for their sadness at the moment but it is not in any way actually at fault. (alert over)

Oh dear. My nausea only returned for a few minutes this morning and has since been absent all day. I overate a dish of chicken and mash at about 11 and haven't eaten since as feel unbelievably uncomfortably full and basically feel like I've lost my appetite. I had to have a nap at 1:00, luckily was working from home and could do that.

My EDD came and went a couple of weeks ago. It was ok-ish, probably because I was pg at the time, and mostly since then I just have occassional moments where I become aware of how different life could have been right now, but more in a curious way than a depressed way. And I still can't imagine getting to that point! But again, not in a depressed way, I just cannot see it happening, even though at the moment I am on that exact path. The evidence is on my side. In 6 attempts I have become pg twice, I lost one and the other's still here. I should have reasonable hope. [hconfused] (But I do love the themed emoticons!!!!!)

morning!
one as you progress your symptomy days will come and go, never fear. I get really full if I overeat too and can't sleep

thanks for the talking to about my friends. i will be fine if they don't come; if they do I will feel really guilty and annoying just by existing [hconfused]. I just know how it feels seeing the person who is due when you would have been. It is horrible! And now i am that spectre, that reminder. Boo.

boo you poor thing, what an awful day! and what arses wasting your time like that, you could have been told that on the phone ffs. Please, please don't worry about the dopplar thing it is FAR too early and actually I am miffed for you that they even tried. I know you can hear it at this stage but more likely not :( and now it has upset you. Here for you.

I seem to have a bump today? it just popped out again last night but today it looks like a lovely little neat bump and it holds its shape when I sit down (instead of just making me look fat) It is bloat of course, but still is lovely company for now. [hgrin] I expect it will go away again tomorrow... tho at nearly 11 weeks I might not be surprised if it stayed.

had my thai soup last night :) celebration because my first draft of my thesis is nearly done. submit in 2 months and then am officially a SAHM :) childminder cancelled today though so am looking after toddler instead of chilling working. hmmm.

Wild yay for your bump!

As for me, I just seem back to manageable occassional bouts of nausea rather than the overwhelming, debilitating nausea. So I'm going with the hope that I'm still producing some of those hormones.

I was reading about childbirth last night. [hshock]

I know people do it all the time. [hconfused]

Still. [hblush]

I once asked my grandmother what it was like and she said it was fine, she didn't feel a thing. And then I realised it was a totally medicalised procedure and they put her out essentially. Such different times![hgrin]

Hope everyone's doing well today.

bump is back to being all flabby again [hgrin]

glad nausea is pleasing you one! I am saddened because I have found out today (inadvertently as no begger has actually told me) that I will have to submit to uni 2 weeks before my actual deadline to get it in before everyone goes home for the xmas holidays :( am completely gutted and in rather a spin as I really need those two weeks! bah.

boobs are hurting so much today I am now bra-less. Have gone up two sizes since being pg!

childbirth is one of those rites of passage one, you'll never feel the same once you have been through it! Is amazing and doesn't have to be shocking at all. I think home and health sky channel has a programme on homebirths and they are soooo lovely and calming. And yes there is always pain relief if you want it!

hope you better today boo

Grr, just typed out a post and lost it. It went something like this...
Just been for my one of many blood pressure checks and all was very healthy and normal. The midwife seemed to think the extra checks were a bit silly. I did come away with my MATB1 and a diagnosis of carpal tunnel thought so I guess it was a productive trip. I have to get wrist splints from the hospital so more appointments now.
I still feel all warm and happy after tuesday. I keep looking at my scan pic and grinning :)
boo That is so frustrating for you. How long have you had them now? Will they go away on their own?
one Also glad your nausea pleases you :) I've been reading about birth and all sorts of horror stories - eek!
wild Boo on the phd deadline moving. Will you have enough time? I'm sure it won't be long until the bump is there to stay.
ice That pie sounds excellent.

one if birth was that bad, we'd all be only children. . Either that or what my mw says is true - that after childbirth the memory of the exact pain fades incredibly quickly and even more blooming' hormones kick in to make us feel chilled and as if we can conquer the world. then day 3 hits us - and we get boobs like bazookas!!

So much to look forward to!!

Ummm, what's carpel tunnel? ds3 will be disappointed if it has nothing to do with Thomas the Tank

Sorry about you having it sheldon - are you ok?

Boobs like bazookas! That would be a shocker. I've gone up one bra size so far (am 8+3 today) .

I smiled reading about you feeling warm and smiling at the pic of your baby Sheldonella, lovely.

Wild maybe your bump is practising out different shapes for now!

Wow, for some stupid reason I didn't come home and go straight to bed and now I'm shattered. I've decided to run a bath and potentially sleep in there!

Carpal tunnel is dodgy wrists. You get it from repetitive hand movements like typing. I've had it mildly for ages but pregnancy makes it worse and my hands are all stiff and numb when I wake up.

one I jest not!

sheldon that doesn't sound very nice at all. I'm guessing it will go away afterwards? What causes it?

wilde loving your tummy shapes. My stomach is doing all sorts of shapes - saw a foot the other day just when ds1 was talking to bump...he was thrilled!!

oh sheldon that's not nice :( you are in the wars. but yay for lovely wonderful scan pic!

one I am an A cup and was a big D cup when my milk came in. stayed like that for months actually. Big, hard knockers full of milk. His head looked tiny when he zoomed in to feed; it's hard to remember that was really true now. I didn't like it as all my normal clothes are definitely for small boobies. I have gone up to a C cup already and am actually in my D cup bra atm for comfort as even the C cup feels like it is restraining them! (They aren't a D cup though... eek!)

oh and bumps to always go into different shapes! some days with Ds I would look really lopsided as he really liked lying on the right hand side [hgrin]. this is a bump trying to be a real bump but not quite there yet :)

ice you saw a foot! AW!

sheldon thanks for reminding me about my MATB1 form, have had it for a week and filed it away!

I don't think the carpal tunnel will go away but it will hopefully get better. It's not particularly painful, just annoying really. It is fluid collecting in my wrist joints over night which wakes me up because they feel stiff and numb. I'm not letting it bother me too much as it's nothing really compared to the awful symptoms I could get.

Ooh you can see feet that early ice? How amazing!

We picked up our Moses basket on the way home from work. It is adorable :)

Hello just a quick phone post to say thanks so much everyone for all the support. I am feeling a lot better today - mentally & physically! wild I know you are right about Doppler - it's good to hear someone reiterate these things.

Wow to increased bra sizes one and wild! Mine are only slightly larger as yet which is fine by me for now - I know I'll end up with my depressing G cups by breastfeeding time (if I get that far, etc).

ice you must be slim to see a foot! I think any baby of mine will be nestled under a layer of flab this time, if current stomach is anything to go by.

Sheldon my sympathy with the carpal tunnel - I had it last 2 pregnancies though so far this time it's not too bad. I didn't find the splints helpful, but I find dangling them off side of bed at night and keeping them down and off my body (so low as poss) helped. If I slept with my folded up then I occasionally would not realise that my hand was my hand iykwim - I have hit myself with my own hand before and not known it was me! Most odd. First time I had it it did go once I gave birth but then it flares up occasionally when I've not been pregnant. My Dad had it, and had the op which worked a treat. I find it's bad when I'm cycling - the vibrations set it off. Anyway, hope you get some relief with the splints, it is a pain. I remember what I used to call the 'claw hand' where you can only clench thumb and little finger! Most attractive!

Right, off to bed. Oh and Sheldon I've had the tw for 7 weeks, but I've had a couple of clear days.... Could it be over? I daren't hope! Yay for cute Moses basket!!

So much for short post! I also wanted to say one that your post about your previous edd made sense to me. It's hard to imagine having a baby - I still find that and I've had 2!! I think that's why we need the 9 months still - to get used to the idea and all the changes we go through, physically & mentally, help us prepare! It's pretty amazing, so I reckon quite understandable that it's hard to believe sometimes.

boo glad you feeling better today :)

and to you and one I do find it really hard to believe that I would be due in nearly 3 weeks if I hadn't mc'ed. that is really very weird especially because the baby I am pg with feels really 'right', rather than only here because the other one didn't make it. Dunno. we'll see how I am on the day.

bugger that two of you have carpal tunnel :( I had tingling in my wrists last time but nothing like you guys describe.

feeling much better today, lots of energy which is the second time this has happened this week (er, the whole pregnancy?!). slept like a log last night too which is so rare atm what with needing a wee and pg hormones and crazy dreams!

uh oh DS is shouting 'mummy! my peas!' which does not bode well... laters :)

I'm feeling more energetic today too wild - glad I'm not alone. It's weird isn't it how these things change. I felt soooo terrible last week, and now almost 'normal'. I've a few days off from work as it's half term. Looking forward to just chilling at home with the DDs.

boo dare i say it but I feel almost normal today as well! two days in a row?! crackers :) glad you have had some lovely down time.

Hi wild yes so do I .... am trying not to worry about it, so it makes me feel better that you are too. Perhaps we are out of the fug of first few weeks? Haven't started the down time yet - well at least, it's my first day today. Hurrah! Have a good weekend! x

ahhhh. happy half term :)

yay for feeling ok! I did actually have a huge hunger crash as per at 11am and got a bit stroppy with DH who wouldn't go out and get soup for lunch as apparently it wasn't lunch time [ghmm] does he not know that every hour for a pg woman is lunchtime?!?! I love soup. My baby is very posh I have decided and adores restaurant thai food and posh, fresh homemade soup (but not made by me, apparently - shop bought homemade from the posh deli down the road...). Tinned soup will not do! I have eaten soup every day for at least two weeks which is odd because normally I do not eat soup!

our friends who mc'ed are coming tomorrow for the night. Am really nervous I am going to make some horrible gaff. I have hidden all my pg stuff. Am really looking forward to seeing them though, when not being silly and panicking and feeling guilty (thanks for your pep talk one it makes complete sense) :)

am working today. hurrah! Is getting to the stage with work where I only really feel relaxed when I am working. bit tetchy when not as am worried about it. tetchy and pg me? not a bag of laughs!