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SirCharles · 16/03/2012 14:19

A new thread as the other one was ready to burst!
Thanks *Mikocat" for the new name.

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SESthebrave · 03/05/2012 13:22

Hello BlueCrane - enjoy your afternoon :)
If I were you, I'd be tempted to phone the GP surgery, tell them the MW wants you to keep on with the Gaviscon and ask demand a prescription!

Does anyone know whether hospitals usually have WiFi that patients can use? If I'm going to be sat around doing nothing for a couple of weeks, it would be good if I could take laptop or DH's iPad to while away the hours!

Bodeccia · 03/05/2012 13:24

Thanks Thanks congratulations miko! A beautiful name Thanks Thanks

LittleSarah · 03/05/2012 13:44

Oh god the wondering! I had lower back ache the other night and I was like oh could it be...? No! On the down side not getting much movement at the moment and feeling a bit stressed about it. Definitely had some movement last night and some very very slight (I think) this morning but I wish he would give me a big kick for reassurance. Everything is so tiny now. Well midwife tomorrow thank goodness. For now... cleaning!

LittleSarah · 03/05/2012 13:46

Sorry, wrote last post a while ago and wouldn't let me post so just did so now without checking thread.

Congrats Miko on the birth of the beautifully named April! Fantastic news, so pleased for you! Grin Thanks

Catsycat · 03/05/2012 13:52

Congratulations miko - April is such a lovely name. Sorry you didn't get the birth you wanted, and I hope you are recovering well.

SES, sorry to hear things are potentially a bit rushed for you! DH's take on the situation seems pretty sensible under the circumstances, sounds like a bit of a star.

I seem to be having a bit of a nesting energy burst, though having only got four hours sleep last night for one reason and another, it might be about to come to an abrupt end! Have done loads of sorting of papers and filing, quite satisfying to bin loads of stuff (and I found several credit / store / loyalty cards I'd never activated!).

Gigantic rant coming - please don't read it if you don't want to, but I just need to vent!!!!!! My parents are doing my head in. My mother was incredibly rude and unpleasant to me at Christmas, finally really overstepped the mark (I have tolerated years of bitchy comments/tantrums/bitterness about one thing or another, lots of it very nasty, none of it ever apologised for. I have put up with it in the name of respecting my parents and keeping the peace). This time she stepped up her game by trying to get to me using my DDs, which was totally out of order. After about 3 attacks from my mother, I finally answered back, telling her that I'd done as she wanted for most of my life, and now she doesn't get to call the shots any more - I was pretty polite under the circs. My father and brother just stood by and offered no support, while she yelled at me in front of my children. I was 18 weeks pg at the time, and had had a mc in june, a cp in august, I also had a very bad cold at the time, and the stress gave me stomach cramps which scared the life out of me. I spent most of Christmas day crying in our bedroom. Nice! Without boring you with the details, this was because DH and I are atheists (not that we go on about it all the time or anything, we are respectful of others rights to their own beliefs), and had not gone to church on Christmas day (we don't want to confuse the DDs, and don't feel comfortable attending church with my parents, and I had told them 2 weeks before Christmas that we wouldn't be going). We ended up leaving first thing on boxing day, rather than staying a couple of days after Christmas. We used the excuse of my cold, but they would be incredibly stupid not to realise why we were leaving.

I haven't really spoken to them that much since Christmas, but just before they went on holiday at easter I had told them I was waiting for a date for my ELCS, and that it would most likely be on 14th or 21st May. They offered to come down to "help" with the DDs, but I was noncommital about it, and didn't accept the offer. I just said we couldn't make any plans until we had the date.

I should explain that when I had DD2, we did accept their offer of help, and they were the biggest pain! Their "help" was to take DD1 to nursery (which was useful) when I had the CS, and afterwards. After DH went back to work, they used to hold DD2 a bit when she was crying, and then take DD2 over to the cottage they were staying in on a couple of occasions (I suspect to get away from DD2 crying!), but only in between meals - they never fed her, I still had to do that, they never changed any nappies, and I had to supervise all baths, provide 6 pages of written instructions of what to do with DD1 (down to what she should be wearing!!!!) etc. Every bit of "help" was really laboured, and followed by lots of comments about how tired they were, how they had loads to do at home etc. After DH went back to work (2 weeks after the CS) I was also expected to cook their dinner, and there was sighing and whinging when it wasn't done till after DD1's bedtime. We had to put our cats in the cattery, as my dad is allergic to them, which ended up costing us £500, and he still sat there sniffing and complaining about his allergy (he refuses to take antihistamines, and says they don't agree with him or work - even though there are loads of different varieties of antihistamine, and they always work on my allergies...). We took them out for a meal and bought them presents to thank them for coming, despite being secretly glad when they went home.

This time we had been trying to sort out an alternative solution to getting the DDs to nursery on the day of the CS, and had in fact nearly sorted this out with one of my friends, when my mother phoned on Monday. They have booked into a cottage down here on the 28th (my EDD), despite (according to my mother) her telling my dad that that was not when I would be having the baby. Also despite not having been invited down here, or told that we did want their help. I told her I now had the date for the ELCS (21st), and that we had had other offers of help I could work with. My mother went into full steamroller mode, and started bustling about how it was important they be there, and she was "determined" they would be here, and how they have bought a camcorder... She then phoned me again yesterday, and they have booked to come down here the evening of the 20th, until the wednesday that week. They haven't cancelled the trip the following week, which turns out to be for a full week, with my brother in tow (who would have had to book the time off work), and taking in 3 plays at Stratford Upon Avon as well, with someone booked to take over my mothers writing the church newsletter that week. Somehow, they would have me believe that they organised all this between their return from Tenerife on Friday last week, and them phoning me on Monday... I don't believe them. I told my mother that DH had 3 weeks off - 1 paternity leave, 2 holiday - and that as such, we had wanted to spend a lot of the time as quiet family time together, doing what we wanted and not having to make plans or entertain. I pointed out we couldn't really make plans, because so much depends on how things go once the baby is here. She went a bit huffy and started going on about how they could still "pop in", were "at our mercy", and how it was important for them and especially my brother (a 42 year old, single, not very child friendly man, who my mother still refers to as "poor kid" and generally treats like an 8 year old, and who she refuses to accept is gay despite him telling her this 20 years ago, and who she thinks "just needs to meet the right girl") to "get to know this baby".

I personally think it is more important for me to avoid stress after a major operation, for the DDs, DH and me to get to know our baby and adjust to a major life change, without unwanted intrusions from judgemental relatives. After a really traumatic birth with DD1 (failed 3 day induction and EMCS) and a nice but still stressful birth with DD2 (failure to progress, foetal distress, another EMCS) part of the reason I have gone for an ELCS this time is to avoid stress, and try to have a calm and pleasant experience this time. DH is none too pleased about all this (he is really sensible, tolerant, and not afraid to tell me when he thinks I'm wrong, but he is completely in agreement about all the above) but says we'll think of something, and not let them impose.

Rant over - thanks to anyone who stuck with me through all that, and sorry for the mammoth page hogging me, me, me post!!!!!!!

luckynumber11 · 03/05/2012 15:09

Hi catsy, poor you,that sounds really stressful, and it's not what you need right now, you should be really focussing on relaxing at this stage. I can just imagine how this is making you feel...instead of looking forward to those special early weeks with dh and your new baby, it must feel like that precious time is going to be spoilt. And of course, you are going to need those early weeks as recovery time, it's so much harder when you've got visitors in the house and can't properly relax in your own home. Especially if you also have to provide meals and catering instead of the visitors doing it for you!
From what you have said it doesn't sound like you can do anything to put them off or change their plans...you've obviously tried to make your feelings known in a polite way and you don't sound like someone who would want to have a stand up row with your parents over it. I guess you will need to set some very firm and limited visiting times, and make sure none of these include meal times. I know how you feel a bit because I remember DH's parents descending on us for a whole week, staying in our house 24 hrs a day, from the day I came out of hospital with a c-section. They were very nice to us at least, but were of no help- we had to provide all the meals etc, and I just wanted to be in peace, not worry about what I looked like, or the house, and to be able to learn to breast feed without worrying about fil being in the room, and feeling like I had to go upstairs all the time. I just wanted some privacy and I couldn't really understand why they couldn't see that week 1 with your first newborn, and having had surgery was not the time to entertain house guests! It used to get so crowded when my parents and sister turned up as well, plus my parents felt they couldnt come round much, so they also felt pushed out!
Sorry to not be able to offer much in the way of a solution, but I totally understand why you're so upset about this, especially as your mum has been so unkind to you.

Catsycat · 03/05/2012 15:12

Oh, thank you lucky for being so nice! It's just a relief to know someone understands. I was feeling a bit guilty for the last post, am actually crying now with relief that I'm not going mad!

mythical · 03/05/2012 15:17

Catsy I'm so sorry to hear what they are putting you through!!
I would also try and limit their visits. They sound very self-centered. This is a special time for your family and you should be able to enjoy it however you like!
I hope you will let them know the cats aren't going anywhere this time

SESthebrave · 03/05/2012 16:08

Oh Catsy - I would also agree that they seem a bit self centered. You certainly shouldn't be feeling guilty! I found it hard enough with DMIL and DSIL visiting for a few days last time when DS was a couple of weeks old and they weren't nearly so demanding!

Sarah - hope that little one gives you some reassuring kicks again this evening. I'm sure I remember at this stage, the movements really lessening as the space they have gets more limited. If you are worried, try a cold fizzy drink or even phone the MW for reassurance.

Catsycat · 03/05/2012 16:27

Thanks SES and Mythical. I'm definitely keeping the cats here as a deterrent :)

LittleSarah, x-posted with you before, hope you've had some reassurance via a good kicking from the baby. If a cold drink (and lying down afterwards) doesn't help, you could try a bag of frozen peas or similar on your bump, I was told to put it right over where you think the baby's bottom is!

LittleSarah · 03/05/2012 16:44

Hello all

Catsy - Poor you! Sounds like you have some rather thoughtless parentals there! My dad and his girlfriend will actually be on holiday the week before I am due, but back the day before, so there certainly isn't much bother from them about being around as soon as if you know what I mean. You've already had some great advice and I would agree with limiting their visits as best you can, the last thing you want is your babymoon ruined by demanding relatives. So hard to deal with when you don't want a family row, I hope you manage to come to some kind of compromise. Just make sure you do what is best for you.

Thanks for the reassurance about movement. I'm sure I've felt more little wriggles today but I might do the cold drink or peas all the same.

Well, with my sister's help all the kitchen cupboards have been cleared and sorted, took us about 3.5 hours! We also did some re-potting of plants this afternoon outside as it is a completely gorgeous day here.

Sorry to hear about your baby's position SES, I remember you saying months ago it could happen but still a bugger to find it's most likely the case. I really hope they can offer some flexibility in regards to your ds's birthday.

cupcakefairy · 03/05/2012 17:03

Ah catsy that sounds awful :( horrible to have those worries on top of everything else there is to think about. Must say you sound like you've been really restrained and polite about everything so far so well done! Parents are so good at making us feel guilty for things like this aren't they. Really hope you can maintain some sanity, and instruct your dh on being firm with them (ie asking them to sort out your other dd's dinner & stuff like that..would they refuse if asked outright?) Good luck!

ses how stressful for you :( esp when you just want a few weeks to get ready. Really hope your ds1 will be ok, I know what a worry it is thinking about arrangements for them, and the emotional impact. Just remember the most important thing is that you & the baby stay healthy.

sarah if you're not feeling much movement try the peas and whatever but you should ring the hospital if it doesn't do much ..definitely better safe than sorry.

And huge congratulations to miko! Gorgeous name. Sorry things didn't work out quite as planned but sure she's totally worth it. Enjoy these first few curled up days!

Harecare · 03/05/2012 17:59

Miko Congratulations! You've stolen the only name we had on our list though!! At least your April was born in April. Can we still call ours April when she'll come in May? We already have a May born in May. I thought April was a lovely known name, but not very common, but now you've used it I may have to think again... Hmmm
Is it silly to have an April born in May?
Is it silly to have an April and a May?
Is April suddenly popular
Would you mind Miko?
Catsy - I think Little Sarah has it right. Limit visiting times to a set time on a set day in the first week. Acknowledge their offer of help, but insist that you want to bond as a family unit only in the first week - tell them you are having no other visitors during that time, so it's nothing personal. For people other than immediate family new born babies are nice enough, but you can hardly expect to "get to know them" far better to wait until they are more responsive at about 6 weeks or so at the least.
It does sound as if your parents do care, and just because their help is not as easy as it could be it doesn't sound as if they are trying to be a nuisance on purpose (at the time of DD2s birth, not Christmas). Decide what you would like them to do and ask them to do that and no more. Personally I will be hoping for help with DD1 and DD2, washing, cooking etc, but not help with the new baby - not even from DP. I will try to engineer it so he does spend time with her, but I found it helped me to get into a better rhythm if it was me doing all the feeding, nappies, putting to sleep. Maybe your Mum didn't want to interfere with DD2 as a newborn?

My midwife says the baby probably won't come while I am anxious - which I am about the wedding, so hopefully I can get through Saturday, begin small contractions on Sunday at the extra party and then have the baby on Monday when everyone is off work to help with DDs.
It will go according to plan won't it?

Harecare · 03/05/2012 18:02

Oops! I meant LuckyNumber's advice, but Little Sarah also says about limiting visits.

Bodeccia · 03/05/2012 18:28

Hi catsy

I can really understand what it is to have a bloody dominating family who thinks it is ok to plan MY time, make decisions about MY family without consulting me first, passes judgement on MY choices. The list goes on.

FWIW, now is the time for you to put your own family unit first and sod the rest of them. You work out what you need, stand firm with what you want to happen and then see it through. This is the only time in our lives where we get to be the diva and call the shots, we are allowed to be selfish in the weeks before we give birth. Do not feel bad about putting up your boundaries.

What you have on your side is hindsight. Last time their help was useless. You don't need the same thing this time around. Did you ask your parents/brother to come down? So schedule some time when they can come over, but that's it. Dinner on 25th?

You're absolutely right about keeping stress down at the moment (before and after your ELCS). With this in mind, put your boundaries up (as you seem to be doing) but try not to react to the snide comments. Just as kids do, parents will try to manipulate you to do what they want you to do. Ignore comments such as "we're at your mercy", "I've gone to so much trouble...". Focus on your DC, your new baby and your DH. Sod the rest. You can build bridges later :)

I'm feeling particularly achey and niggly today. I'm not reading anything into it. But it would be good to have a star wars baby (May the 4th be with you Grin)

Catsycat · 03/05/2012 20:09

Thanks everyone for your kind words and advice :) which have cheered me up considerably. I will try to limit visits, though they do have a track record of just turning up at the house - will employ DH as bouncer! Bodeccia, liking the no-nonsense attitude. You clearly have experience of this! The stupid thing is DH's family are just as bad, but in different ways - maybe our bizarre families are subconsciously what drew us together in the first place, and I should be grateful!!! Grin

Harecare of course the baby will come to plan Wink - fingers crossed anyway.

Bodeccia niggling is probably good at this stage! Can we read things into it on your behalf??

LittleSarah hope you've had more movement. Sounds like you've been busy, which could have been distracting you from some of the smaller movements, also could have been rocking the baby asleep more. Hope it picks up this evening, otherwise as cupcake says, you should maybe phone the hospital to see what they think.

Something just quacked from one of the cupboards (well, an electronic quack) - going to investigate!!!

LittleSarah · 03/05/2012 20:42

Hey all, movement has definitely picked up this evening so feeling rather more relaxed. About to send off my doula essay (yay!) while watching Made in Dagenham with me ma.

Happy evenings all!

Think we're due a baby soon people!

Catsycat · 03/05/2012 20:58

LittleSarah glad all is well, and well done on your essay. Enjoy your evening!

SirCharles · 03/05/2012 23:32

quick question ladies - any recommendations for a waterproof mattress protector for a tempur mattress (memory foam type)....? I thought I might need a longer term solution beyond the fear of my waters breaking, for which I have some Pampers bed protector sheet things.

Am now 37+5 and really starting to power forward with sorting out our unpacking and filling in the gaps in the baby equipment list (ordered baby bedding today.... sheets & blankets - or should I have ordered a swaddling pod or perhaps a baby sleeping bag..... why oh why is it so complicated? I am sure it was much easier for our mothers!!). I also ordered one of these: www.babyreflux.co.uk/products/Red-Castle-COCOONaBABY.html
Came highly recommended by our hypnobirthing teacher.

Still not packed the hospital bag(s) though..... fingers crossed LO waits at least another week so I have time to complete my sorting out! Oh, & DH will be home rather than a 12 hour flight away Grin

congrats on the babies who have arrived already and very excited to hear about twinges etc.

To whoever was worried about movement - Our LO never moves alot, well at least not for me. Cold drinks & ice do not work either. S/he moves for DH - responds to his touch or voice but never to me :( However s/he had a party during my mid afternoon massage & reflexology session earlier this week. It was really quite amazing. The therapist suggested it was because s/he was used to bored of me and so would respond to others more readily. I have no idea but it is a bit weird. The MW keeps going on about "if you are worried..... go to the hospital to be monitored" BUT if it never usually moves how can I get worried?! grrrr.

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Harecare · 04/05/2012 08:28

Sircharles - why do you need a long term waterproof solution? I guess sometimes nappies leak and if they're in bed with you it's a nuisance - but other than that I can't think why you'd need it. I'd be tempted to buy a cotbed waterproof sheet from mothercare - plasticky one side, fleecy the other- as then you'll have it for when you need it for DC. It'll cover the bit of space you need if you're not a big mover in your sleep.
I used blankets with DDs and grobags when bigger. You can swaddle with blankets if you need to. Grobags are only useful when they get wriggly when bigger, newborns sleep very still - so you panic they're even alive!

sploooooooooooooooosh!putputputsplooooooooooooooooosh!!!
That is the sound of the horrific liquid that has been coming out of my bottom since 8pm last night. AAAARRRGH! I had to change my pyjamas 3 times as being so liquid it didn't wake me to get out of bed - definitely needed a waterproof sheet! DP had it yesterday so it's either a bug or the meat in the hotpot I made was off? Had planned to save energy for the wedding tomorrow anyway, but now have more to do with washing and trips to the toilet. Nice!

Beeboles · 04/05/2012 08:50

Congratulations miko, i have a friend called April and have always thought it is a lovely name. Thanks Hope you are all doing well.
LittleSarah I had an issue with lack of movement a few weeks ago. After trying all the usual things, i called the MW led unit and went in for monitoring. It only took half an hour and sure enough as soon as the monitor went on the baby started trying to kick it off my stomach. The MW said that this was quite common and that i did the right thing, they did not make me feel like i was being over-anxious. Also, i felt loads better. Glad to hear baby has been more active. Blush A little tip i picked up to get baby moving is to manipulate your nipples for a bit, it has worked for me a few time when all else has failed to get baby moving. Well done with essay.
catsycat I would also take a no nonsense approach, whilst still trying to remain calm. It is such a special time and goes so quickly. Ignore comments that are not helpful and be strict about visiting times. It is not unreasonable to want to spend alone time with your dds and dh and new baby.
bodeccia Is it going to be a star wars baby then? Grin
SEShello, sorry to hear your plans are changing, it must be unsettling for you.
Well, i'm o.k, same pains but no action from baby as yet! All o.k with MW checks. Busy day today entertaining DS1(broken leg) and DS2.

Good luck to everyone.

Beeboles · 04/05/2012 08:54

harecare x post - sorry to hear that- could also be a sign of imminent labour??

LittleSarah · 04/05/2012 09:13

SirCharles - Funny you should mention your reflexology session, I got loads of movement last night when listening to my relaxation track.... strange.

Harecare - Oh dear that sounds awful, poor you! My no 2 incident seems very tame in comparison!

Beeboles - Nipple stimulation eh? There is a very funny story in Ina May's Guide to childbirth about a woman getting her husband and friend to stimulate her nipples (orally I think!) during labour to encourage contractions! Taking it a little too far there perhaps... Wink

Re the breastcrawl dreaming and lime - the one I watched was pretty amazing too, sorry your one was upsetting lime.

Just updating the list with Yorky's name and the birth of April, hopefully soon we can update it again with oltob's wee boy, our first May baby!

Born:
08.02.12 (26+6) - Gotmylittlelamb #1 born Sophia Diane (EDD 10th May)
21.04.12 (38+1) - Goodname #2 boy, 7Ib 12oz
22.04.12 (38+3) - LadyMaybe #2 girl Rosalind Eliza, 7Ib 8oz
24.04.12 (39+1) - Yorky #4 girl, Pippa (Philippa) Kate, 8lb 2oz
26.04.12 (39+2) - Mikocat #1 girl April, 7lb 8oz
30.04.12 (39 weeks) - Wrigglebum #2 boy Adam Zachary, 6Ib 4oz

EDD:

2nd May (or 28th April by scan) - Harecare #3 - scan = girl, planning home birth
2nd may - DialMforMummy, #2
2nd May - MidwifeWithABump #1
3rd May - Mythical #1 - scan = Girl
4th May - saggybaps #2 - scan = boy
4th May - Ariane5 #4 - scan = boy
5th May - Bodeccia #1 = girl
6th May - oltob #2 - scan = boy
6th May - Tara0202 #2
6th May - Purestcocoa, #1 -scan = girl
8th May - Dreaming #1, Surprise
8th May - myweeangel #2, Surprise (but quietly convinced it's a boy)
8th May - SAF1610 #1?
9th May - cherrypie55 = girl
10th May - Marmite123 #1
10th May - Pickle54 #1 = boy
11th May - Cairnterrier, #2
12th May - Beeboles #3, (scan = boy but they were not 100% sure!)
12th May- Chocolatesparkle, #1, scan = girl
13th May - musicalmrs, #1, surprise
13th May - Bonbonpixie, #1 - surprise
13th May - Sugarx, #1, surprise
14th May - Montymum, #1
15th May - heidihole, #1, scan = boy
15th May - Precious Puddleduck, #1
16th May - cupcakefairy, #2, surprise
16th May - Failsafe, #1
16th May - googietheegg, #1, girl
17th May - MandaHugNKiss #4
17th May - ballroompink #1, surprise
17th May - Sunshinela, #1
19th May - SirCharles #1, surprise
19th May - NewToThisStuff, #2, scan = girl, Planning ELCS @ 39 weeks
21st May - littlesarah, #3 - scan = boy, planning home birth
21st May - luckynumber11, #3, scan = girl, ?VBAC but would prefer ELCS
21st May - Basse, #1, scan = boy
22nd May - Knittymum, #3, girl (confirmed by 2 scans)
23th May - tostaky, #3, scan = boy
24th May - MixedClassBaby, #2
25th May - LimeFlower #1, surprise
26th May - GingerLemonTea #1, surprise
26th May - BebeBelge
27th May - SESthebreave #2, surprise, ?ELCS
28th May - Catsycat #3, girl (2 scans), ELCS
28th May - openerofjars #2
29th May - BlueCrane #1 - surprise
30th May - Langoria - surprise
30th May - Twittwoo #1
31st May - CluelessPro #1

Catsycat · 04/05/2012 09:35

SirCharles, glad you getting through the unpacking / sorting out etc!

harecare, that sounds nasty, as if being pg wasn't enough! Hope you are better soon.

Beeboles Thanks for the support! Hope DS1 is doing OK with his leg - it must be frustrating for him being incapacitated, and hard for you too. Hope you have a nice day together.

LittleSarah & SirCharles, re. movement, I've noticed less movement in the day now, and more in the evening sitting on the sofa, or when I go to bed. The baby is either nocturnal (noooooo!) or is responding to me being still / being sent to sleep by the rushing around I've been doing during the day, so she wakes up when it stops.

Wish it would stop raining here, as I have plans for DH and the lawnmower tomorrow, and loads of weeding to do!!! Going to try to teach DD1 some basic sewing in a bit (and find something non-hazardous for DD2 to do at the same time). She is currently singing "Beauty and the Beast" (or booty atha beas), complete with applause and "fankoo vewwy much" at the end - very funny!

tostaky · 04/05/2012 10:18

Oh harecare - hold my hand! I've got d&v too... Spent last night leaning over the toilet bowl... I blame DS2 for bringing back nasty bugs from nursery...Sad (and that latte I had at 3pm which started everything)

So tonight instead of going out, I'll be babysitting my own kids while DP has a great time with our friends.

Feel like a zombie...

ses - parents can be a pain... Don't start me on my mil....!!!

Think I might get a couple of cheap mat bra for the first few weeks as I don't think lll fit any of my old ones...

For temporary waterproof protection I use pampers bed mats they are great Wink take a couple with u for the hosp to use as a changing mat just in case ur little one poo on your bed while u change him/her (that's what they do at first!!!)