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And potty / toilet wise we've sort of done a mix of the two. I don't really care if he does it in the potty or toilet as long as it's in one or the other! And he doesn't seem to mind the toilet so if I'm taking him we try to go to the toilet, but I have the potty around in case he's going on his own. Even with the training seat and the step he struggles to get on to the toilet and the seat properly without a bit of a lift. Because our training seat just fits inside the main toilet seat (rather than some of them you sort of put the main seat over it to trap it in place, it does slide about a bit if he gets on on his own because he sort of slides on to the seat iyswim?

I've struggled to get a decent training seat that has a big enough hole for all his bits to fit inside it, and to fit snugly in our toilet seat etc. I think when he's a bit more reliable, we'll ditch the training seat and then he can be a bit more independent about it. He's fine holding himself up on public toilets so could probably get on to our toilets on home like that with the step.

And Hawthers - not lazy at all. I tried to leave DS until he just figured it out himself, and then when he was 3, we thought we'd up the nappy free time so he might cotton on a bit better and then he seemed to be getting the hang of it so we went for it. Which was all ok up until the last couple of regression days! I would have loved him to be one of those children that just says 'no more nappies thanks' but when he got to three, we began to wonder if he might never say that? Or if he would be like 6 or 7 before he said it!

am a bit worried that my DS might fall into the later camp! ah well - just going to leave it a bit. really he's only just turned 2 but has at least started telling me when he's done a poo etc. perhaps next summer might be a good time to give it a go. DC2 will be well here and we'll hopefully be in the garden/outside a bit more so accidents can happen out there!

we've got used to knowing what to do with DS so its all a bit odd changing stuff again and having no idea again

Ah that's a good sign Hawthers if he'll tell you when he's done a poo. Ds never did that (lazy little tyke!)

ah biscuits he will also deny it when the entire room stinks of his poo so is not that reliable!

Hey ladies, sorry to hear about the potty training woes. I can't quite imagine how frustrating that must be! I have a crazy half-formed idea in my head of kicking off potty training by going on holiday somewhere hot for two weeks, so that my LO can run around the villa naked without being cold, and all accidents are on the villa floor not my carpet at home!! Of course this scenario involves going from zero experience to fully potty trained within a neat two week period... naive? moi?

Fishcake good to have you back! In answer to your question I will be 16 weeks by my scan on Sat, can't wait!

Also, thanks to Dream for the BH lesson - it kind of makes sense to me, I imagine it'll all click together when I actually get to that stage!

I'm sorry to whinge when I know people like Dream are having way less sleep than me at the moment, but I am SO TIRED today!! I've been sleeping badly for a week or so now, and last night was the worst, I think I got maybe an hour or 2 of broken sleep across the whole night. I'm like a zombie at the moment and making a fool of myself whenever senior people ask me basic questions. I just desperately want to be in bed! which is completely illogical because I was in bed all night and look how that turned out!

Just to rant for a bit longer, my cramps are really strong today as well! I keep walking around holding the bottom of my stomach, I feel like the baby has overnight become so heavy that it's stretching my stomach downwards and causing vast discomfort at the same time! (Can anyone spot the obvious link between lack of sleep and completely irrational thinking?!)

There, whinge over. I will survive today. I'm glad I don't have a migraine, I'm glad I'm not throwing up, and I'm extra glad that I don't have any plans for tonight! I shall drag myself through the day, crawl home possibly a little early if no one is looking and snuggle up in bed. Lights out by 8!

Ooooo forgot to say good luck to Scarlet for the mw appt today, although obviously you don't need it. Very glad you're feeling more confident now. i don't use my doppler every day, I tend to use it whenever I get fed up with all the crappy symptoms and need a reminder of why it's all worth it! So I will definitely be using it tonight

hey everyone glad to see everything is moving on great for you all, i got crappy cramps again today well not really cramps more pressure on tum :( im still in panic mode lol but after all you reassuring words the other day have come to terms that cramps are all part of it :) got my 2nd dr appointment on thursday to arrange mw appointment :)

God I just can't get enough food today! I had my breakfast as normal, Had a load of crackerbread mid morning, half a bag of mini waffles for lunch and feel as if I haven't eaten anything. I really fancy having another bag of waffles but that would be really piggish!

Jazzy sorry to hear you are having a worrying day. Cramps really are normal- I definitely felt like I was about to get my period and I am still getting twinges now and then. BUT, if you are worried can you contact your erly pregnancy unit and see if you can get an early scan? Or at least get some reassurance from them? Really hope you feel better soon. No one tells you how stressful pregnancy is!

I am having twinges today but I think it is due to work. I was running a busy activity which involved bending and reaching. Once I have done my taxi duty, prepared tea and cleared up I will try and take it easy!
fishcake I am graduating on Saturday, this is for FD in early childhood( I am now doing a BA to get it to a full degree) only a year and a half to go!

Has anyone seen dream today?

jen, I keep having days like that - there'll be days when I really struggle to eat anything due to nausea, and the day after I'll be starving all day and eat everything in sight.

Scream, also shattered, and struggling to sleep. Several times in the last few weeks kids have told me off for singing the wrong notes to them, or getting them in the wrong order. I just claim I'm doing it deliberately to test them - really my brain's so addled it's all going a bit pearshaped!

Also beginning to wish I had a doppler now, for those moments when feeling utterly rubbish. Seeing the LO yesterday was wonderful, and as I said to DH, makes up for all the symptoms etc (even the almost throwing up about 30 times on the way to the train station today, and when I tried to play my oboe - really hope it fades soon, or not being able to play reed instruments could become a serious issue!). However, could definitely do with being able to listen to the heartbeat as a pick me up on the really rubbish days..!

Hi all.

Appointment went well with midwife today. Blood pressure and pee all fine and doppler picked up a good heartbeat.

Will be going again at 22 weeks.

Hope dream got checked over today and everything's ok.

jen, my N&V is really good today as well! Perhaps there is something in the air? I've picked up a cold from DS though, so to make up for not vomiting too much, I've got a really, really sore throat.

scarlet, glad your appointment went well.

dream, hope you are getting checked out by someone and that you find out if you need to adjust things at work.

musical, I hadn't even thought of that as a problem with this nausea. Is that making work difficult at the moment?

jazzy, hope all is well. I definitely had lots of cramping at the beginning as well, but so far everything seems to be fine.

Hello,

I am in the midst of the bedtime struggle, and on laptop, so may have to go, but patience is thin so I'm leaving her a bit... Today I have been so busy with the beginning of tantrums over everything- no, I don't want my lunch, I want your sandwich, NO, not a bite, the whole thing, no, I don't want my coat on, WHY can't I put my hands down the toilet- all with wailing, and stamping, and lying on the floor crying, on and on and on.... And obviously way below the age of reason, so bar ignoring and distraction I was stumped. So that's why I've had no time to update.

I saw the midwife this afternoon- my mw still had her mobile off so went to the drop in for advice with DD. The mw was lovely, and had a student with her who was also lovely. I explained I was there for advice re:the B-H, and whether I needed to do less. She said it wasn't really unusual for both a second pregnancy and twins because uterus stretches so much more so much faster. They said I must get the risk assessment at work asap and were very nice- basically said no-one will look after you and your babies in this pregnancy bar you, and you're their advocate etc etc and also pointed out twins is a different ball game to a singleton again- but in a nice way (much less scary than my mw!). The mw sent me into the hospital for a scan as she asked if I'd had any pain or bleeding, and I confessed to the spotting, (only as they didn't want to attempt to doppler me, as they said it's hopeless, they'd have no idea whether they'd heard one twin twice etc etc which all makes sense). She said at this stage, if they dopplered, they probably wouldn't even be able to tell there were 2 babies not one if they didn't know it was twins iykwim- and then I stood up and she said "OH!! I would definitely know there are two in there!" about my huge bump, and I was ridiculously pleased as currently big bump seems to reassure me of 2 growing babies!!!! so went to the ante-natal clinic again and saw 2 wriggly babies with 2 heartbeats on the (1 minute!) scan. Phew. No sign of anything wierd cervix wise. So I'm reassured.

I third the struggling to sleep- I can't get to sleep at night, and then after I get up with DD can't get back to sleep, then get up for a wee etc etc etc....

jazzy, hope the panic eases- you're in good company here, we all understand/ experience the panic! I'm sure it'll be the same as the rest of us- uterus stretching and ligaments tweaking scaring the life out of you! We all Brook No Argument about this being the case.

jen, I say go for it! Eat when you can! Hope you're still feeling better today and not being so sick for tday at least. And musical, all that being sick on the way to the train station sounds horrible, you poor thing... Maybe you shoudl invest in a doppler to cheer yourself up and join Team Doppler in this thread!

Right, can't ignore my menace DD any more, off I go upstairs again....

Bartlet, it hadn't been a problem until now! Luckily I'm only teaching reed instruments one day a week - and recorders twice (but not had problems with them). My first instrument's piano luckily, which I teach the majority of the time, which is trouble free! Have offered to play sax in a couple of Christmas concerts which I'm now a little worried about, but I'm hoping it'll be ok by then. The lesson I had a problem in was the first one, early in the morning (8.45am), so I'll just avoid playing in that lesson if possible.

dream, course we missed you! How lovely to see both babies again :) And how lovely of them to whisk you in for a scan, just to reassure you.. and glad the mw wasn't as scary as yours!

Sorry to hear you're suffering with the sleep too :( I've read advice in various places saying to try not to drink too much in the evening - but I'm constantly thirsty! It just doesn't work!

Think I just had a bad day of the sickness today - it's not normally quite that bad (en route to work, reeds in lessons etc!). Not impressed that it's still getting worse rather than better! May invest in the doppler... time to convince DH.. ;)

Hello!

Dizzy, glad to hear all was well at the scan!

Dream, I'm so pleased you got a nice MW and an excellent scan showing two little beans. So sweet!

Sorry lots of you are feeling a bit crap, Scream, Musical, Jazzy and Bartlet. Hope you all feel better soon.

Grr, Bean was kicking away, so I got DH to put his hand on my tummy, at which point she started to play possum and didn't move at all! Bad little Bean! Between her contrariness and DH's impatience it will be weeks before he feels anything. I'm not sure he will be able to feel from the outside yet anyway - I'm only 19+4.

Yes, the scan was good- it was literally one minute, just the equivalent of a doppler for heartbeat for twins. Still lovely, I was grinning away. DD was sat on the really narrow plinth next to me and was good, so that was great. Same sonographer who did my 12 week scan who squealed at the sister (who was going to do it, as she'd technically finished her shift) 'oooh, these are MY twins, I found them!' in an excited way so we all had a giggle once we'd seen the heartbeats and it was lovely. I'm so pleased. Makes up for DD being a total brat a little difficult again.

And I've won the sleep battle tonight after a mere 64 minutes, ha!!!! I WILL beat you, bad baby!!!!!!!!

How exciting Dumbledore. Try eating something sugary and then get your DH to put his hand on. I remember around 19-20 weeks or so with DS the only way DH could feel the movements was when I was eating Opal Fruits (showing my age there) at the same time. It was only another week or so after that though that I was getting full on kicks which could definitely then be felt from the outside.

dream so pleased you've had some reassurance and excellent you've been able to see you little babies again.

Bartlet and jen great you're both not so sick today, let's hope you've turned a corner.

musical I hope your sickness gets better soon. On the nub theory there's absolutely no way of telling from my 12 week scan photo. I also guessed girl on a friend's using the nub theory and she had a boy

Sleep? What's that? I too am still suffering from lack of. I blame my bladder. It doesn't matter a jot if I get up to wee, no sooner have I fell back to sleep I'm aware of pressure on my bladder even when I dream so I'm never in a deep sleep. It's a constant thing which is much worse when I'm in bed for some reason . I can go ages in the day without weeing. Thinking about it, I probably could do with drinking more in the day and less in the evening. I'm so busy with DS all day I don't drink as much as I should so when he's in bed I end up guzzling loads. I will see if it makes a difference starting tomorrow, too late for today already.

Oh scarlet, i know what you mean- so inconvenient to drink more when you know you'll need to wee more in the day when out and about and dealing with a newly tantruming and still clingy, won't-be-put-down, post-illness baby but then the evening thirst gets you!

And fishcake, thanks, never thought of advertising I wanted one! I saw th one you linked to on ebay, finishes in 2 days but it's in camoflage (far too bloody big to camoflage IMO!) and I don't like it... £550, but it's only an hour's drive away, and I've only seen 2 others and they're Down South! hmmmm...

Camoflage! That made me laugh! it is far too big, and where do the makers think you are going to take the children?!

Well, tonight has been a long evening. I think DD has caught the no sleeping bug and has only just gone to sleep. Let's hope she stays asleep...

Ninja I just clicked on that link for Poo Goes To Pooland. I imagined a nice Winnie The Pooh story relating to toilet training and was like this when the pictures of actual turds with arms and legs and smiley faces came on the screen. I'm going to have to order it, DS will love it for the comedy factor alone.

oooh fishcake, does this mean my DD has passed it on and I'm rid of it for tomorrow?! oh, the imagined bliss.... Maybe the camoflage behemoth buggy means I could temporarily pretend not to have them/ lose them while out in the woods?!

Morning preggos

How are we all today? Dream so glad you got your BH checked out. Now get on and get that risk assessment sorted. . Have you done it yet? Come on!!

Scarlet glad your mw appt went well. 22 weeks for the next one is good, I think I have to wait until 24 weeks . Mind you I guess that will fall right over Christmas?

Hope all those littlies slept a bit better last night. DS was really tired yesterday afternoon I think and was being really naughty. So much so that even after a sticker-earning success on the loo, he managed to un-earn the sticker before he'd washed his hands! . On reflection I wish I hadn't threatened to not give him the sticker, I thought he'd behave, but once you threaten it you have to stick by your guns don't you. I would have let him have it actually if he had been anything like repentant but he had his devil horns on for sure last night. DH was home early and I've never seen him be so strict with ds. That's not to say DH is soft or anything but he got really cross that ds ignored what I asked him to do and was properly stern with him! DS also ended up having a bath with no toys and no bedtime story for repeatedly being a pain!

I'm thinking though it was fuelled by tiredness because he didn't even complain about no story, just snuggled down and went to sleep! But weird though because we were back downstairs with him in bed by 6:40 - we weren't quite sure what to do with ourselves. In fact even after watching a record three episodes of The Mentalist (or a Patrick Hat-trick ) we were still in bed by 9 o clock!!

We haven't watched back to back tv like that since we discovered 24 years after the rest of the world and lost whole weekends to watching the boxsets!

Can't remember what else was being discussed yesterday - sorry!

Morning Biscuits

Sounds like your DS was very tired. I had to tell my DS off yesterday too. DH was late coming back from work and whereas he's usually back in time for DS's bath and bed he wasn't last night. I was having a nightmare trying to get DS upstairs (can't carry him up there any more). He was shouting at me "no want Daddy" and refusing to budge. I told him I was going to count to 3 and he screamed no at me and run over and hit me!

It's very unusual for him to be like this so I was a bit . We've not really had terrible 2's so maybe it's going to be 3's instead. Anyway, he'd forgotten about it 15 minutes later and all was back to normal but I was a bit that I'd ended up getting cross with him.

My midwife wasn't supposed to be seeing me until 25 weeks. I said that seems ages away. She said something along the lines of yes it does doesn't it, I can fit you an extra one in if you'd like me to. So I said yes please. She's very nice and I think she understands I'm a worrier so is maybe trying to help me feel more reassured.

Must have been something naughty in the air then yesterday Scarlet!!

Hope they are both better today

Sounds like your mw is lovely - hold on to her!