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peterpansmum · 24/03/2010 08:24

In memory of our gorgeous Gregor

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shabbapinkfrog · 13/05/2010 22:40

ROFL - I answer to anything Lottie - you know me!!!

peterpansmum · 13/05/2010 23:08

Been out for a chat - aka two rather large glasses of red - with my lovely friend tonight.

Shabs - All will be well, all will be well, all WILL be well!!!!!!!!
only too obliged to give you a regular kick as and when Good on you answering Tom's question - bet you didn't expect he'd answer as he did - aren't kids incredible. xx

FM - He's off to the cup final with my brother on saturday so who knows if he'll say anything or not. But either way he was hugely apologetic today about his lack of contact and vowed he'd change that from here on in. xx

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shabbapinkfrog · 13/05/2010 23:22

With apologises to any Chelsea fans (sorry Wilf) COME ON PORTSMOUTH...........I LOVE THE UNDERDOG - WHY AM I SHOUTING there thats better!!! I love, love, love football xxx

shabbapinkfrog · 14/05/2010 06:38

Morning girls xx

travellingwilbury · 14/05/2010 07:16

Morning all xx How we all doing this morning ?

I have got so much to do today , I really need one of those kicks up the arse please ?

lottiejenkins · 14/05/2010 07:55

Morning all xx
COME ON CHELSEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wilf will absolutely unbearable tomorrow afternoon!!! I am going to hide myself in the kitchen and do the baking for school and the cricket club methinks!!

essexgirl31 · 14/05/2010 10:47

I'm so so sorry for intruding on your thread. Hope I'm not being inappropraite

I think you may be able to help this lady.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/bereavement/965168-My-daughter-aged-3-died-suddenly-last-month

shabbapinkfrog · 14/05/2010 11:33

Not intruding or being inappropriate at all.

Have posted on the thread and really hope she comes to our safe haven xxxx

feedmenow · 14/05/2010 16:12

Oh, I know you're all right - as usual! But feelings are funny things aren't they?

Shabs, I don't think I've ever heard before how Gareth actually died. I knew he was a baby and I knew he had heart problems, but I didn't know he was in bed with you. At least he was safe and warm and loved when he went. x

shabbapinkfrog · 14/05/2010 18:30

FMN yes he was tucked up with me and his daddy. I spent almost 8 months fighting to keep him alive. Even down to expressing my milk and putting it in a dropper (thats not the right word Im sure) I would spend hours just dripping his feed slowly into his mouth. I tried my best but it wasn't good enough. He was a precious little lad.....Lewis is so like him, and always has been from the minute he was born. xx

shabbapinkfrog · 14/05/2010 18:30

I put Gareths pic on my profile and, when I looked at it I realised just how very poorly he was xx

SadSusan · 14/05/2010 23:02

Hi, I'm Catherine's mother. She died at 19.10 on the 13th April. She was a healthy child. The blood tests revealed she had strep A septacemia - she just went so fast. The first we knew she was in any danger was aobut an hour before she left us.

I have been trying to read the thread, but I see that's the same day as Fraser, and it feels so mad that when the thread started back in April we were happy on a family break on the York Moors, and now we belong here.

peterpansmum · 14/05/2010 23:20

Hiya SadSusan, Welcome to the place that none of us want to be but many of us are thankful we have found. I can identify with the shock and sudden-ness you are currently feeling as it was the same for us - Gregor was playing in the park in the morning climbing trees, went for a nap and never woke up. We spent 5 months believing he died of cot death only to discover he died from an overwhelming virus. Hang around here as and when you feel like it - I have found this to be an amazing source of support. Much love xx

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pedrothellama · 14/05/2010 23:37

I can't write about it and please don't probe. Just want to remember my Alexandria on this thread and send all my thoughts to SadSusan

PiratePrincess · 14/05/2010 23:53

SadSusan saw you on the other thread and just wanted to say hi.

My daughter died too. xx

shabbapinkfrog · 15/05/2010 02:03

Cant sleep....wont sleep!!! Welcome to any new mums here...really wish you didnt have to join us but very glad you found us. xxxx

shabbapinkfrog · 15/05/2010 08:01

Morning girls xx

frasersmummy · 15/05/2010 08:16

hi again Susan... it was nice of you to mention Fraser. You will find as time goes on people will mention catherine less and less often to you .. so its lovely when someone mentions your childs name

I had to carry Fraser for 2 days before I gave birth and I do firmly believe that there is something spooky about those few days .. a lot of bad things happen in those days in history

anyway enough rubbish...you will still be trying to get your head around what has happend.. it was so sudden and so recently

As the days and weeks go on you will encounter all sorts of emotions and thoughts

please come here and say whatever you like- you will find whatever it is you say someone on here will say yip i know I did/felt that too

we are here to help each other

frasersmummy · 15/05/2010 08:21

pedrothellama

hope you are ok... hope you find some words of comfort from reading the thread

frasersmummy · 15/05/2010 08:22

welcome to you too pirate..

we have big listening ears on here if you want to talk about your dd

SadSusan · 15/05/2010 09:19

Hi pirateprincess I would also like to hear about your daughter.

Frasermummy I'm sorry people don't like to mention Fraser. I think it's obviusly about their inability to deal with it. We went to pick my friend's daughter up from her nursery (she lives in a different village to us), and none of the mum's there even mentioned Catherine had died - they all knew and had been crying about it. Apparently they didn't know what to say to me.. "I'm so sorry" was clearly a bridge too far for them!!

It does make you wonder though, doesn't it - can it really be that hard for them?

It's 4 weeks 4 days, so Catherine is being talked of a lot. Her school wants to do a memorial - we're talking about something for the nursery garden and a special toy inside. We went to visit one of her best friends last night, and she spent the entire time we were there drawing a picture of and for Catherine - doesn't it break your heart? A number of my close friends are in a bad way, as well as the immediate family.

I'm very aware that a lot of this attention will tail off. This week was the first day we didn't get a sympathy card through the door.

Normal life will go on inevitably, and I expect that will be hard. We have what would have been her 4th birthday next month. For some reason, I am particularly dreading the run up to Christmas at church - the nativity play she won't be in, the Christmas day service. I think I will ignore it (go underground for the entire month, or go travelling in a non-christrian country), but even if we ignore it, I know it will still happen. Crap, isn't it?

shabbapinkfrog · 15/05/2010 09:29

SSusan - your grief is so raw - we all have an understanding of how that feels. The first Christmas, the first Remember Day (anniversary), every birthday - they all hurt like hell but unfortunatly we have to try and 'get through' them the best we can. My DS3's remember day was last week and even though it is 18 years since he was killed I struggled so much with it all.

Keep posting here my friend - it does help - it helps to write it all down - somehow each time we tell our story it is a release. xxx

peterpansmum · 15/05/2010 09:40

Hello to Pedro and Pirate xx

Susan - I imagine you will have friends who will want to be 'helpful' but not have a clue what to do to help you - people often say nothing or say the most bizarre things when faced with the death of a child. I saw this on another thread recently and think it's worthy of posting here..... May be useful to pass to a friend to pass onto whomever. I sent it to many friends recently as a year on it is still really appropriate. Sadly at some point in our lives we will all experience the loss of a loved one........

Please talk about my loved one, even though he is gone. It is more comforting to cry than to pretend that he never existed. I need to talk about him, and I need to do it over and over.

Be patient with my agitation. Nothing feels secure in my world. Get comfortable with my crying. Sadness hits me in waves, and I never know when my tears may flow. Just sit with me in silence and hold my hand.

Don't abandon me with the excuse that you don't want to upset me. You can't catch my grief. My world is painful, and when you are too afraid to call me or visit or say anything, you isolate me at a time when I most need to be cared about. If you don't know what to say, just come over, give me a hug or touch my arm, and gently say, "I'm sorry. "You can even say, "I just don't know what to say, but I care, and want you to know that."

Just because I look good does not mean that I feel good. Ask me how I feel only if you really have time to find out.

I am not strong. I'm just numb. When you tell me I am strong, I feel that you don't see me. I will not recover. This is not a cold or the flu. I'm not sick. I'm grieving and that's different. My grieving may only begin 6 months after my loved one's death. Don't think that I will be over it in a year. For I am not only grieving his death, but also the person I was when I was with him, the life that we shared, the plans we had, the places we will never get to go together, and the hopes and dreams that will never come true. My whole world has crumbled and I will never be the same.
I will not always be grieving as intensely, but I will never forget my loved one and rather than recover, I want to incorporate his life and love into the rest of my life. He is a part of me and always will be, and sometimes I will remember him with joy and other times with a tear. Both are okay.
I don't have to accept the death. Yes, I have to understand that it has happened and it is real, but there are some things in life that are just not acceptable. When you tell me what I should be doing, then I feel even more lost and alone. I feel badly enough that my loved one is dead, so please don't make it worse by telling me I'm not doing this right.

I don't understand what you mean when you say, "You've got to get on with your life." My life is going on; I've been forced to take on many new responsibilities and roles. It may not look the way you think it should. This will take time and I will never be my old self again. So please, just love me as I am today, and know that with your love and support, the joy will slowly return to my life. But I will never forget and there will always be times that I cry.
I need to know that you care about me. I need to feel your touch, your hugs. I need you just to be with me, and I need to be with you. I need to know you believe in me and in my ability to get through my grief in my own way, and in my own time.

Please don't say, "Call me if you need anything." I'll never call you because I have no idea what I need. Trying to figure out what you could do for me takes more energy than I have. Send me a card on special holidays, his birthday, and the anniversary of his death, and be sure to mention his name. You can't make me cry. The tears are here and I will love you for giving me the opportunity to shed them because someone cared enough about me to reach out on this difficult day.
Ask me more than once to join you at a movie or lunch or dinner. I may so no at first or even for a while, but please don't give up on me because somewhere down the line, I may be ready, and if you've given up then I really will be alone. Understand how difficult it is for me to walk into events alone and to feel out of place in the same situations where I used to feel so comfortable.

Please don't judge me now - or think that I'm behaving strangely. Remember I'm grieving. I may even be in shock. I am afraid. I may feel deep rage. I may even feel guilty. But above all, I hurt. I'm experiencing a pain unlike any I've ever felt before and one that can't be imagined by anyone who has not walked in my shoes.
Don't worry if you think I'm getting better and then suddenly I seem to slip backward. Grief makes me behave this way at times. And please don't tell me you know how I feel, or that it's time for me to get on with my life. What I need now is time to grieve.

Most of all thank you for being my friend. Thank you for your patience. Thank you for caring. Thank you for helping, for understanding.
And remember in the days or years ahead, after your loss - when you need me as I have needed you - I will understand. And then I will come and be with you

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shabbapinkfrog · 15/05/2010 09:47

Oh PPM - I started to read your post and I couldn't read it fast enough. Only a bereaved mum could write something like that..... every single word is 100% true xxxx

peterpansmum · 15/05/2010 09:53

Hey Shabs - When I first read it, it made me think more about bereavement in a general sense as it came from a DH who had lost his DW. I amended it only slightly to apply to bereaved parents but sadly made me realise how grief for any loved one has such similarities. There are so many people out there missing a certain someone

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