Harry's thread for bereaved mums , Wether its a hand to hold or a shoulder to cry on we are all here one for all and all for one .

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Many thanks to ILike for passing on the baton to myself and Harry . I know we are a bit previous but I am worried I will get the timing wrong .

I feel like I have only been here a wee while but it is invaluable to me .

This is a poem that has helped me in the past .

I have not turned my back on you
So there is no need to cry.
I'm watching you from heaven
Just beyond the morning sky.

I've seen you almost fall apart
When you could barely stand.
I asked an angel to comfort you
And watched her take your hand.

She told me you are in more pain
Than I could ever be.
She wiped her eyes and swallowed hard
Then gave your hand to me.

Although you may not feel my touch
Or see me by your side.
I've whispered that I love you
While I wiped each tear you cried.

So please try not to ache for me
We'll meet again one day.
Beyond the dark and stormy sky
A rainbow lights the way.

frasersmummy tiptoes past shabster and covers her with a blanket as she passes

We did betdtime prayers as usual tonight inc god bless my big brother Fraser up in heaven when Ross went into floods of tears...

a few questions later it all came out.. he was upset cos his big brother is not here to play with . I assume someone in nursery is talking about brothers or sisters. It went from I'm sad to why did he die, how did he die, how did he get to his garden, does he have any toys, whats his teddy's name ...???and so it went on

Big smile on my face, matter of fact answers interspersed with yes it makes mummy sad that Fraser is not here but it makes mummy happy that you are here.

I know its right that he knows about Fraser but he was sooo upset tonight that I felt really guilty

Ive just seen this....

celebrity-babies.com/2009/01/20/sarah-parish-mourning-death-of-daughter-ella-jayne/

I didnt know her daughter had died...........

Frasers mammy - dont know how you spell ooooohhhhh exhale of breathe.....your little lad is a clever lad....you are doing the right thing - explaining truthfully and calmly what happened.

Oh my darling. I have been missing my little lads so much - Gareth died in 1982 and Matt died in 1992 - wish they were sat around the table with us with their family.

Deep breathing nice thoughts...see all you girls in the morning.

Morning xxx

G'morning folks.

morning everyone

I wish I had something useful to say to to make you feel better shabster....

its an ache that never goes away isnt it. Having Lewis around is probs stirring up memories and feelings

we are here to listen

hope eveyone else is ok this morning

I went to bed in a blizzard .. snow lying everywhere... got up this morning not a drop anywhere.. very strange!

Dont worry FM this is a longing to see them that I have to deal with. All will be well.

Yes Lew does stir up memories....its fantastic but wish all his uncles were here to see him

Morning ladies........am having problems.......the same as a few weeks ago......... Will have to see how things go!

Good luck Lottie - I will be thinking about you xxxx

Thanks Shabs, its making me really ill....................

I am thinking of you lottie..let us know how you get on

Hi all, am at Mummy 2's tonight. I have Wilfs DLA appeal tomorrow so am staying with her. We are going to see Slumdog Millionaire tonight. No change with the other situation. Onwards and upwards!!!

I know I was ranting on the other day about 17 babies stillborn or dying shortly after birth but I didnt realise how many were unexplained and how many were preventable with better care

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7919493.stm

why isnt something being done to prevent this happening to so many families?

If 17 kids died a day in the uk due to eg mumps it would make headline news and the public would be calling for govt action

why is this sooo different?? why is stillbirth such a taboo

sorry .. I will get off my soapbox (for now)

You rant away FMammy!! Our National Health service used to lead the world and now its in a poor, sorry state. My DIL Em had an emergency section - Lew was presenting bottom and the sole of his foot. I had said to her many weeks before 'Ems your bump has changed shape' and she replied 'I noticed that baby has been kicking me in a different place than before.' NOBODY took her seriously at the hospital....the midwife said she thought it was his head that she could feel when it was his bum She was then sent home after 2 days - WTF???? Ante natal care is poor in our area as is post natal care.

You shout and rant all you want my darling...its close to your heart. xx

Morning girls xx

morning shabs have you got lewis todayx

Good morning all x

Morning TW Morning Hazy - yes I have Lew every weekday from about 6.45am till 1.30pm - we are settling into a great routine (something I never managed with my own!!) and he is a joy. Tom is fantastic with him which helps a lot xx

Hi all, I had Wilfs DLA appeal today. They had reduced his DLA to middle rate and i was trying to get highest rate back.....sadly i was refused!

Lottie the DLA knobs people are soooooo full of shite poo!!! They took my friends DD's DLA off her because she was managing to walk with the aid of a walker (she has spina bifida) and it took them years before they gave it back. She only managed the walking for about 2 months. I hope they can all sleep in their beds. All will be well darling....all will be well.

Sending hugs and encouragement from all of us xxxxxxx

Just popped in to say hi and let you know that I haven't dropped off the side of the planet

HI all ,Lottie those bloody dla people are muppets and I know how grim the stupid forms are . Even though we only had Harry for a wee while someone suggested we apply and it so depressing .

I know I swang (real word I reckon ) THE WHOLE time between wanting to big him up and then having to say how needy he was . V grim for a mum xx You have my upmost respect

Good night my friends xxx