Cole's thread for bereaved muumies: like the sands on the beach that never wash away. I watch over my surviving mum, who thinks of me each day.

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Welcome to our santuary and haven ladies.

Many thanks for Frasersmummy for passing the baton onto Cole and I. I am touched and hope I can do all our lo's justice.

For any people wanting to join, don't be shy. We cry, we rant, we smile, we laugh - whatever we feel like we need to do.

madhouse. I havent been around much the last few weeks so apologies if you already posted about your treatment and I missed it

If you are lurking I just want you to know that you are in my thoughts and prayers ..

please keep us posted as to how you are doing

I didnt want to post on your other thread incase it gets lost in all the stupidness

loads of luck for tomorrow

Sorry to intrude ladies. I came on to see if FMN had had her baby (was on March 08 thread with her). FMN - congratulations on the birth of Kyirrie! You and your DP pick beautiful names I think of you and Eris often and will be especially thinking of you in the next few weeks as the March first birthdays approach. Take care xx

Everlong.............i dont think i have seen you on here for a while..........? Hope you are ok............

Holidays - you are not intruding - I think this is MNet very, very special thread. A thread without nasty comments, full of loyal friends who have mostly never met in RL - a comfy, safe haven.

Lottie - I will email Everlong. Will send her everybodys love. xx

Good morning ladies xx

Good morning xx

How we doing this morning ?

Lottie I will try and listen on Sunday but I work weekend mornings .

I have done Harry's thread now ready for when we get kicked out .

here we are

Morning TW - great thread title - not many messages left on this thread - this was our first Christmas together wasn't it? I hope we are always around for each other. Its a great comfort knowing you can come on here and say the most 'obscure' things and other people will know exactly what you mean. x

OMG my very handsome (but very young) Greek friend Nikos is talking to me on Facebook!!! Its too early in the morning for getting giddy about handsome 25 year old Greek men....its a hard job but someone has to do it!!

Awwww Lottie - Im glad you messaged Nikos - he is a fantastic man. His brother, Kostas, died about 3 years ago in a horrible scooter accident. When we went on holiday that year Nikos was in a big mess....he was just crying all the time. He has tatooed on his arm 'Kostas - my brother, my friend.' Dont mention it to him though will you? Greek men dont show their feelings usually and they are very private. He is a beautiful man inside and out. I love his English because sometimes he writes the wrong words and they are soooooo funny.

I went to Kostas' memorium service that year and that was so sad. I was the only 'outsider' there - the only English person. They still all talked to me and I didnt need to know what they were saying you could see the heartache in their eyes.

He sounds like lots of fun! The names of the cocktails are great too!!

I cant ask for any of them until I have had lots of drinks and got dutch courage. Our first conversation went something like this!

Me: Excuse me, please could I have a sex on the beach?

Nikos: OK I will see you down at beach in 10 minutes, now what you like to drink!!

He is very flirty - we first met him when he was about 16 and we have watched him grow up to be a very good man.

He is the one who is about 6ft 6in tall and has size 15 feet.

When he says Po Po Po - that covers everything from OMG to You are joking? to I cant believe you just said that. Its just a funny Greek phrase that covers all bases.

morning girls

I dont know if you know but sands are kicking off a new campaign next month called why17. Its to try and raise awareness that 17 children are stilborn or die shortly after birth in the uk every day

Of course this is close to my heart so I ordered a badge for my jacket.. just says why 17

My nephew spied it the other night at the hospital and asked what it meant

Ross just turned round and said it means why did my big brother Fraser die?

There was an awkward silence for what seemed like ages. My brother and nephew looked like rabbits caught in the headlights

I felt a bit bad and then I just thought ...this is just part and parcel of who we are as a family. I dont see why I should be made to feel akward for mentioning my darling firstborn

OMG 17 a day???? What a thought provoking statement.

Well done Ross....Ross is the one who has no problem with all of this - its other people who dont like to discuss it. You are right its part of you and your family. Well done little man

hotfoots it over to SANDS to order a badge

I think the simplicity of Why17 is just perfect. I had no idea the figures were that high. That means that for each 'lost' baby there are at least 2 ruined lives (the parents) and then it ripples outwards doesn't it? It affects all the family, neighbours, friends. You have made me really think this morning.

I know some of you cant stand Jezzer but it is very sad this morning....watching it through my fingers!

Oh normal service has been resumend on Jezzers - he is talking about who slept with who again. The family who were on first had lost a baby and it was very hard to watch their obvious heartache.

Emailed Everlong but not had a reply yet. I hope she is ok xx

I too had no idea it was 17 a day . I would be very proud if my son had answered like that, and them being uncomfortable is tough .I know i should take my own advice more often but being uncomfy for two minutes is bugger all when you compare it to grief .

Well said TW - also wish I could see life through a childs eyes. A little boy who lived in our street came to see me just after Matts accident. I can see him now - about 4 years old. He asked me to explain to him what had happened. I told him and he listened then said 'thats sad I will miss Matt.' His mum was mortified that he had asked me but it was so refreshing.

Bless that wee boy . Children do have a good way of looking at things . I can remember a close friend of ours who was upset about Harry one day and her daughter asked what was wrong. She told her that she was sad about Harry dying and this 6yr old just said "But he is in heaven and heaven is the best place so thats ok "

If only it was that simple

He also asked if he could have Matts football boots which were brand new He is the youngest of 6 boys so never had new stuff. I gave them to him gladly.

You have got to admire his cheek

Oh yes - I love a bit of cheek!!! OK see you all on our new thread. Everlong if you come along and wonder where we are there is a link to the new thread further down the messages. See you all in a minute my friends xxxxxxxxx

I've come to sign off the thread. Night night bubba xxx