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Eris' thread for bereaved mummies

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feedmenow · 16/04/2008 16:28

OK, so the thread begins! I tried to think og something better to call it, but all I have in my head (still) is Shabsters comment about how it would have been better if we'd all met on a thread called 'how to cope with excessive wind'!

Anyway, we have somewhere to come now. Somewhere 'proper' where we can chat and remember our precious lost children, whether they were stillborn like my angel, or whether they were with us for 2 hours, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years or 20 years. No matter how long they were here it is still so very wrong to lose a child.

I just wanted to tell you all about yesterday. It was such a very strange day. Dp and I were collected by the FD in the limo that Eris was in and we drove slowly down our road behind one of the FD men. I felt like a fraudster, like I was going to be caught out and asked what the hell we were doing 'playing' around.

Anyway, it turns out that the crem we went to is absolutely beautiful, really gogeous gardens. The service was lovely. The songs and music we chose were perfect, and both my mum and mil got up and said some really touching, beautiful words. The minister read a story I had chosen and also an extract from Winnie the Pooh that he suggested. I sat with my dd1 on one side and my ds the other, then dp next to him. We all had our arms around each other and I cried silently throughout. Then at the end the minister asked everyone else to leave so the 4 of us could say our final goodbyes, at which point I started weeping with a vengeance. It wasn't til we went outside to join everyone else that I saw all the people who had come to be with us.

We went back to my parents house for brunch, which went really well. I come from a family who crack open the wine and beer at the earliest opportunity, so the wine flowed along with the tea and coffee for the drivers. It was a beautiful day, the sun shining, so we went into the garden. The children and the men played football, the ladies chatted and did a bit of skipping (who would have ever known that I could still 'jump in'???. I had got some helium balloons printed with the words "Too beautiful for earth..." so everyone released one and 'raised a toast' to Eris. People gradually drifted off home, but a group of people stayed with us all afternoon and into the evening. We had takeaway and eventually got home about 10pm. It was a very special day. I talked about Eris lots and, very importantly, people had fun. A very important thing to do, IMO, when celebrating a life instead of mourning a death. As people left I asked them all to be sure to remember my little baby girl, to think of her often and not let her be forgotten.

Dp and I set up a fundraising page to raise money for SaNDS for people to make donations instead of brining flowers. When I checked earlier today, we have had donations of £1360! It makes me sad that we're in the position to have received those donations, but we smile when we realise how much people care.

Anyway, dp went to the FD this afternoon and picked up Eris' ashes, so we at least have now brought our daughter home. It raised a few laughs yesterday when we were asked what we planned to do with the ashes and I said we would bring her home and put her in the wardrobe with nanny (whose ashes have been in my wardrobe for 2 years now!). Some might find this odd, but others thought it touching and comforting that they would be in the wardrobe together.

Anyway, I have wittered on more than I intended. I am pleased to say that I do actually feel a sense of peace now that the funeral is over. Both dp and I had been scared of yesterday as we were both aware that a funeral brings about a finality and reality to what has happened. And somehow, facing that finality has helped me achieve a degree of acceptance.

So, in memory of my precious baby daughter, Eris, I would like to pronounce this thread for bereaved mummies "OPEN"!!

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feedmenow · 08/05/2008 19:43

Hi Jam. Don't feel silly posting, not now or ever. You have lost a dear child and I don't think it will matter how much time has passed.

I don't think you said whether your 2nd twin was a boy or a girl? Does your ds1 know he is one of twins? Do you ever talk about it at home?

My dd1 is 9 in a couple of weeks and we are in the throes of planning her party - oh joy!

Shabs, hope you enjoyed your frinks and your moan! Was the moan about anything in particular, or just the general politics and world peace type stuff!

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vio · 08/05/2008 19:50

Hi everyone, i hope you dont mind me posting here, I am just feeling a wee bit down today, it's a very emotional day for me, Jim Jim's wee friend at Robin House died last week and it was his funeral today. It's such a beautiful day in Glasgow, lovely weather, we said goodbye to a very brave wee boy.

We released ballon at Robin House then attended the service, when I saw his coffin, tears streaming down my face, every now and then I think of Jim Jim, but today has been particularly hard, I wish Jim Jim and his wee friend were healthy, they will be walking, running, singing, like other children.

Like someone of you here said, ( becos Jim Jim's with his granddad in Manchester, I cannot go and visit him very often ), but I remember him, everyday, I miss him, everyday, and I talk to him everynight, .....people say time is a great healer, it's true in a certain extent but the pain of losing Jim Jim always stays, I've learnt to carry the pain a little easier as time goes by but then when I think of Jim Jim, I still cry.

Doobydoo · 08/05/2008 19:54

Lottie.That is not kind of them at all.
Haven't caught up properly yet.
Ds2 has/is abit poorly[ears etc]
Hello Vio...it is unbearably sad isn't it at times?It is perfectly ok to be upset[I have decided after 17 and a bit years]I can become upset in the strangest of places and times.
Hugs to all

frasersmummy · 08/05/2008 20:14

Hi Jam

I am glad you have found the courage to post on here its not a silly thing to do at all.

What a terrrible story. I cant begin to imagine how hard it is to lose a twin. The wonderful thing about this thread is that despite us all having different stories we all understand the pain of losing a child and that makes it a really safe place to say what is in your heart. Sending you hugs

Thank you fmn and shabster for your kind words earlier, it really made me feel sooo much better.

frasersmummy · 08/05/2008 20:20

Vio

what a hard day for you

I think one thing I have learned is that when you feel the need to grieve you shouldnt fight it.

hope tomorrow is a bit better for you

frasersmummy · 08/05/2008 20:20

Vio

what a hard day for you

I think one thing I have learned is that when you feel the need to grieve you shouldnt fight it.

hope tomorrow is a bit better for you

shabster · 09/05/2008 00:17

Vio - whereabouts in Manchester? I am in Bolton if that is of any use to you?

shabster · 09/05/2008 07:37

Morning girls

Vio, I dont drive but if your DS is reasonably close to Bolton I could visit for you. Have you heard me - the woman who hardly ever goes to her sons grave I dont feel I want to go to see them there. I always have flowers next to their pictures. I would be glad though to visit for you.

Are you originally from Manchester?

FMN - Just went into my back yard and I have forget me nots growing in the small gap between the pavements!!! I just stepped over them really carefully. They look so fantastic. They weren't there last night When I got to my friends house last night she was just starting mowing her lawn. She has massive clusters of Forget me nots growing on the lawn. I made her go around them with the lawnmower

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 09/05/2008 08:34

Good morning ladies, another (!!) beautiful day here.

Welcome Jam - I don't think anyone's grief can be compared. A lost child is a lost child, who is to say your grief shouldn't be as srong as anyone elses?

Welcome Vio - I remember you from previous posts, and I can remember your gorgeous Jim Jim. I remember looking at his photo and thinking what an absolute beauty he is. Tough days come and go, and I hope today the pain has eased a bit. In my experience I have a few good days, then an awful one. It's almost as if I save it for a while, then let it all out in one go - and it's usually the smallest thing that sets me off.

Shabs - I'm glad to hear you are campaigning for the 'safety for forget-me-nots'! We went to Cole's burial site at the weekend and a few of the graves were carpeted in f-m-n's, they looked stunning. Hopfully this time next year Cole's will look the same.

Lottie - so sorry to hear about the arsehole's who were dealing with the plaque. Hoe insensitive can you get?

Take care all xx

lottiejenkins · 09/05/2008 08:35

Hi all, I couldnt get on the site last night for some reason.......the first company emailed me back and said if they could still help they would Anyway i have found another company now so fingers crossed....... a nice lady answered and took the details straight down, aside from writing the date down wrong which she modified she has emailed it all through to me. I am now waiting for Mr Carpenter Man to get back to me so i can check the measurements with him(he still has the cross.) Will keep you updated.

triplets · 09/05/2008 08:42

Thought it was just me last night, tried around 9ish to get on but wouldn`t let me! Hope you are all ok this morning, been out of touch for a few days, looking after poorly husband and running around the trio!

Doobydoo · 09/05/2008 08:47

Morning AllWelcome to the new ladies.I have to say I have looked at all the wonderful photos of your beautiful children
Had a little catch up with this thread,but of course,when it comes to typing my thoughts fly away!
FMN...I know how you are feeling about the post mortem results.I t is hard.I remember going for Hannah's and I felt so tired and rather bewildered.I didn't even want a post mortem and only agreed to it,hooping it may help others etc.I am thinking of you.There are many hurdles we have to get over.
I am thinking of you all.For some reason you are all uppermost in my mind today
Have a lovely day all

vio · 09/05/2008 10:06

thanks everyone, thanks for your kind offer shabster, we have a lot of friends and family members down in Manchester ( DH originally from Manchester ) so Jim Jim always gets flowers.

We do visit him whenver we are down there, but then what i meant to say is, even though I don't visit him very often, I miss him in my heart, but then again, to be fair, ( no offence Shabster ) I think everyone has his/her own ways of doing things, if the woman feels there's no need to visit his grave as her child lives in her heart, that's absoluately fine. I have learnt alot through having Jim Jim as a son, believe me, it's not fair to judge others.

vio · 09/05/2008 10:18

sorry shabster, please don't get me wrong, i don't mean that you're judging others. it's just becos i don't/can't go visit Jim Jim's grave very often so....what I want to say is that I don't have to go there to remember him, i remember him everyday in my heart. SORRY if i upset anyone here.

shabster · 09/05/2008 10:23

Vio - you havent offended or upset me sweetheart! Please dont think that. I agree with what you said...everybody is different and we all have our own ways of coping with everything life throws at us.

Never think that I will be offended

JamSamBam · 09/05/2008 10:52

my second attempt to read through this thread has resulted in tears..again!!!

my ds1 is nearly 9 and we havent really ever talked about what happened. My family have never really known what really happened as i wasnt seeing them while i was preggers and ds1's birth was quite a stressful time. i felt it was easier to just keep it to myself. idont think ds's twin would have survived even if they had both got to 30 weeks, sometimes i have to be thankful thatds was given that extra few weeks to get strong and survive.

I didnt mention earlier but i lost two nephews a few years back, one from a cot death and one in a house fire, sands were wonderful and the pub i was working in helped to raise over £2500. Sometime i wish people would raise money to help without the trigger of loosing a child, it would be so much better if we were all posting about wind!!!

right, i should be working not crusing around mumsnet looking for silly people to point at!!

vio · 09/05/2008 11:15

Thanks shabster. hope everyone is having a good day today.

feedmenow · 09/05/2008 21:22

Was a busy day here yesterday wasn't it?

I also couldn't get on yesterday evening......something strange afoot

Vio, nice to see you. Only 2 days to go til the big event! How are you feeling? Have you been training regularly? A friend of mine is doing the moonlight walk next weekend and went for a 16mile practice today! She says her bum is sore

Jam, it must be hard to not get the opportunity to talk about it. (although maybe you cope better by not talking about it? Or is it just that there have been so few people you could talk to?) I know what you mean about the fundraising thing. We've raised £1695 in Eris' memory and 2 friends are doing a half marathon in July to raise money for SaNDS too. They (SaNDS)are launching a campaign in June called Why17 to try and fund more research into causes of stillbirth, to increase antenatal care, etc. They reckon that of the 17 babies who are stillborn or die neonatally EVERY DAY in the UK, 7 of those deaths could be prevented.
ANyway, I rant. What I wanted to say is that this is a lovely place to be able to talk, particulalry if it is hard to do in RL
And one other thing Jam. You can also feel free to post freely about excessive wind

Shabs, your friend must think you're a nutter! Its odd that in the past 2 months f-m-n's have become so significant. I admire the ones in my front garden every day as I come and go (as planned!) and think of all our angels. xx

Lottie, exactly WHAT measurements will you and Mr Carpenter be checking ?

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LouiseAnn · 09/05/2008 21:24

JamSamBam - welcome, please make yourself at home here.
I've just come back from a relaxing 30 hour stay in antenatal. I think I had mentioned here that my BP was high on Wednesday. Well I went to hospital yesterday morning and was let out at 5pm today. Baby is ok and my BP tablets have been doubled. I actually liked being fussed over. I even slept well on the ward last night. BP came down enough for them to let me go home.

feedmenow · 09/05/2008 21:32

Oh LouiseAnn! You sound so calm! I take it they are happier with your bp and that they will continue to monitor you closely? Make sure you take it nice and easy, relax lots and get lots of attention. Possibly even consider a weekend break to a spa that serves all 3 meals of the day with chocolate!

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shabster · 10/05/2008 00:22

Good night girls - spooky goings on at Shabster towers tonight - I put the amazing story on the multiples thread. OMG. Our much loved children never, ever leave us. See you all in the morning

shabster · 10/05/2008 08:12

Morning girls.

I need to tell you what happened last night!!! Please dont think I am loosing my marbles OR telling fibs.

Today is 16 years since Matt was killed. The build up to today is much worse than today if you see what I mean??

Last night I went outside for a ciggy. It was humid and very still. I looked up at the sky and said 'Mattie let me know you are still with me'. I wandered around the back yard for a couple of minutes and then felt something drop into my t shirt. I panicked a bit cause I am not keen on creepy crawlies, and thats what I thought it was.

I came inside and told Tom and put my hand down my tshirt and pulled out......a shiny 1p coin and the song 'Pennies from heaven' came instantly to me.

Tom and I were laughing and having panick attacks at the same time.

Never experienced anything like it before. Thank you Mattie...there is no other explanation.

lottiejenkins · 10/05/2008 09:32

Thinking of you today Shabs xxx Hugs for you [hug hug hug]

lottiejenkins · 10/05/2008 09:35

I'm listening to this beautiful song a lot at the moment too,,,,
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx9br5ISRpo
Very moving listening to this,,, Michael Stipe has a lovely voice and the piano playing is stunning too............

feedmenow · 10/05/2008 09:45

Oh Shabs, that is so absolutely lovely! My logical side always tries to explain these sorts of things but short of a magpie flying by at exactly that moment and accidently dropping his treasure directly into your t-shirt.....well, not much chance of that me thinks!

Will be thinking of you and Mattie today, plus all our angels.

(What are the chances of you hinting to Mattie to drop you a big bar of choccie and a bottle of Pinot next time???)

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