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shabbatheGreek · 23/07/2013 10:10

This special thread was started in 2008. Its a special place - one which nobody would ever willingly come to. I hope we pay tribute to our lost children by helping each other. xxxx

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shabbs · 31/01/2014 07:13

Morning girls xx

'Life goes on!!' Hate those words. The World keeps turning - thats true BUT it took many years before my life even got back into first gear again. There are still days when I cannot believe what has happened. xxx

diamondlizard · 31/01/2014 08:21

Well I'm going there today, mum n dads, as I'm passing, was thinking of saying something about how upset that life goes on comment
Made me

But not sure how to bring it up/ say it
Any quick tips
Or shall I just leave it

diamondlizard · 31/01/2014 08:26

Hi lily btw, so sorry you had to join this thread, i really hope it's some help to you.
I'm so sorry you lost your child
Thanks for trying to help me

LilyTheSavage · 31/01/2014 08:43

Hi diamond. I'm back. I know exactly what you mean about wanting to say something. Could you find a phrase or sentence that says what you want to say and practice so that when you do say it you get all the words in the right order and you can get it across? We loved our babies for all of their lives.... how do people think that you can just "get over it" and stop loving them afterwards? My ILs didn't mention him at all when we saw them before Christmas nor did they ask after our other two sons.... I don't know if they think I should be "over it" or what! I have just come to the conclusion that some people are odd, some people are shiteful, and some people are lovely. I try to avoid the oddities and shiteful ones!

I think that the best we can do is to just function, and anything else is a bonus. Just do what feels right to you and be gentle with yourself.

Thank you for your message. I've written about my son on another thread.....

I hope you have a peaceful day.

Brew because it's really too early for Wine

diamondlizard · 31/01/2014 13:06

Well went to mum n dads this am, and I did actually manage to say something to my mum about that life goes on comment

She could see straight away that I'm not right, she was asking how i am' I was just say yeah I'm ok ect but not really in an euthastic way
She said are your sure your ok, you look a bit pale...
Then I burst into tears
And said I'm feeling it because of the time of year it is,
I was trying not to cry and she said it's ok to cry you know
Then I went on to explain how I feel very sensitive and vunerable at this time of year
And that although I don't think she Ment it come out that way, when she said to me about life goes on, it just sets me back and really upsets me.
And that life doesn't go on for ds and it doesn't go on for us the same...
Or something like that, not exactly sure exactly what I actually said as was quite upset....
She just sort of struggled her shoulders and shook her head as if to say I don't remember saying that
And said she would be say anything to hurt me

Then a few mins later after she perhaps had a chance to think about it she said, I know I said that about life goes on for others

She didn't, she just said they. Would be going to the party as life goes on...

But anyway it was a very clumsy conversation between us and it felt pretty awkward

Yet I'm glad that in my clumsy not eloquent way, I've sort of stuck up for myself if that makes any sense
And I've basically told her in a round about way that those types of comments
Hurt me
A lot
So I think that's abit of a step forward for me,as pathetic as it probably sounds

diamondlizard · 31/01/2014 13:22

Lily I will try and find your thread, I've had a look on this thread, but when I get like this I find it a bit hard to concentrate
I seem to have gathered you lost a son too and he was 21 when you lost him
I am so sorry, did this happen in august last year?
I bet you have lots of wonderful memories of him.
Are there any in particular that stand out?
I bet you also feel robbed of the chance to make loads more memories with him, we have been robbed really.
21 is so young.
I am so sorry

diamondlizard · 31/01/2014 13:25

Also this am when I had this chat with my mum
My dad was at the shop
When dad got home he realised I wasn't too great
Asked if I was ok, I said yeah I'm ok it's just this time of year
And he said he knew that
gave me a hug and held my hand
And said something like I'd say try not to let it get to you, but I know it's hard
It's like he didn't know what to say
Which I understand
But it's hard and isolating

LilyTheSavage · 31/01/2014 20:05

Hi diamondlizard.

Woohoo for sticking up for yourself and speaking up! I wish I could be that brave at my ILs. Yes, you've found my thread. We've all been robbed and had so much stolen from us.

The people we love don't understand, can't understand and shouldn't understand our loss. It would mean that they would have had to go through the same bereavement as we have had. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. It is isolating, you're right about that.

LoveAndDeath · 01/02/2014 01:05

Hey diamond, it's me, chip.
My Mum said life goes on when my Dad died. She said it after I'd asked her if she wanted to come and stay with me for a while after the funeral. I felt so bad for her, all alone at home, we are all grown up and she was alone. So she said "No, I'll stay here, life goes on" in a sort of matter-of-fact way.
She never said it when Sylvie-Rose died. Because I think she recognised that my life would not go on, not in the same way it had

to you.

shabbs · 01/02/2014 09:02

Morning girls xx

LilyTheSavage · 01/02/2014 11:47

Hi shabbs. How're you doing today? Did you get the benefits stuff sorted out?

Hope you had a good sleep.

shabbs · 01/02/2014 13:08

Hiya love.

We finally got paid a couple of days ago - first since about the 23rd December.....managed to pay back a family member and now not much left!!! BUT we have full fridge/freezer, food in the cupboards, heating etc etc so have plenty to be thankful for. Has been a very difficult time xx

LilyTheSavage · 01/02/2014 15:49

Thank f* for that! It'll give you some peace of mind to get straight again. How horrible for you. XXX

shabbs · 02/02/2014 09:06

Morning girls xx

willitbeagoodyear · 02/02/2014 19:08

Sorry, I am not really sure what the done thing - is there one?

Im having a tough time and I just wanted to say bye George, born 1/12/02 1/12/02, still living im my heart now and forever more, always my little angel.

Please don't tell me you know how I feel,
Unless you have lost your child too,
Please don't tell me my broken heart will heal,
Because that is just not true,
Please don't tell me my son is in a better place,
Though it is true, I want him here with me,
Don't tell me someday I'll hear his voice, see his face,
Beyond today I cannot see,
Don?t tell me it is time to move on,
Because I cannot,
Don?t tell me to face the fact he is gone,
Because denial is something I can't stop,
Don't tell me to be thankful for the time I had,
Because I wanted more,
Don't tell me when I am my old self you will be glad,
I'll never be as I was before,
What you can tell me is you will be here for me,
That you will listen when I talk of my child,
You can share with me my precious memories,
You can even cry with me for a while,
And please don't hesitate to say his name,
Because it is something I long to hear everyday,
Friend please realize that I can never be the same,

ImperialBlether · 02/02/2014 19:34

That made me cry, willitbeagoodyear. I've not gone through anything like that but I can imagine that's exactly how I would feel.

MiaAlexandrasmummy · 02/02/2014 21:03

willit thank you for sharing those lovely words. There is no 'done' thing on this thread, but I think you have captured exactly the pain that we all, sadly, share. If only all those around us could read that poem, then they might just stop and think a little deeper, before they wish us to be 'healed'.

Diamond also well done for saying how you feel to your parents. Definitely a step forward. It isn't easy. Bless your dad, it sounds as though he wants to help you, but can't find the words. And now your mum will probably think twice too.

shabba you amaze me. You have just been massively "inconvenienced" by Her Majesty's Government, yet you still have the grace to say that you have a lot to be thankful for. You are more generous than I, that is for sure.

lily you are right, you really don't want anyone to understand us. The cost is far too high. How are you at the moment?

loveanddeath your mother sounds like a very brave lady. Just like her daughter.

Me, just had a very sweet moment with Finn. He has just figured out how to 'dance' (moving his feet up and down on the spot) so we put on some Blues Brothers and were dancing with him in the kitchen. In the middle of it all, he suddenly pointed to one photo of Mia, and then the other, on the other side of the room. It's like he wanted to make sure she was part of the fun too. Gorgeous and heartbreaking at the same time.

LilyTheSavage · 02/02/2014 21:03

Oh my word willitbe, what a beautiful moving poem. I'm sorry that you lost George. I lost Paddy in August and your poem has made me weep. I'm not having a great day but this exactly sums up how I feel.
XXX

diamondlizard · 02/02/2014 23:12

Will it be a good ye ar

amazing poem
I love it

miasmummy
Thanks yeah I think my dad is now genuinely lost for words

LoveAndDeath · 02/02/2014 23:21

willitbeagoodyear, that is lovely and so perfect.

Mias, my Mum is amazing. She has been a rock to us since Sylvie-Rose died. She rarely says a whole lot but what she does say is always fairly sensible.

shabbs · 03/02/2014 06:50

Morning girls xx

Mias......I have cried buckets, screamed and shouted, and moaned for hours about our money. Have been awake most of the night trying to figure a way to make it through to the next payment date. Dont be amazed by me - I am just good at pinning on a smile and pretending to the world. xx

shabbs · 04/02/2014 08:24

Morning girls xx The sun is shining here Shock

thedaymylifestoodstill · 04/02/2014 10:03

Hello there ladies.

I wanted to say a sad hello and that I'm a several months long lurker on this thread. I've read all the old threads back from years ago up till now and my reason is that I've also lost a child, a baby last year (I don't want to go into detail on here as I've realised that there are people on MN who know me in real life).

I've got other children too and am struggling very much with the whole 'life goes on' attitude around me. Yes you may see me smiling on the outside or looking ok, with make up on and semi-presentable, but inside I'm weary, drained and so very tired of living this pretence. I hate the saying Time Heals. Time doesn't heal in my mind, it takes you further away from the situation. That's all. There's never going to be an 'ok' with the loss of a child, whatever age. I'll learn to live with the grief, to handle the painful days, to deal with the grief bursts, but that does not mean that I'm okay in anyway.

I've heard so many times people say "oh so-and-so lost a baby years ago, it was difficult for a time but they're ok now" and that's supposed to make me feel better. It doesn't.

Tell me ladies, how do you respond to comments like that? Do you say something or silently seethe over it? (I've tended to nod and nod and then walk away feeling hurt and angry). Or is there any point in trying to educate people who mean well, but ultimately have no idea? I've said to family especially how I feel, but even they don't seem to get it, despite their well meaning efforts.

That is what is also so unfair about the whole thing. Not only have we been through the most awful situation, but then we have to deal with peoples attitudes. (Don't get me started on the so called friends who have dropped off the face of the planet, or who have been less than genuine in their efforts to be there).

I guess I'm having a day where I can't put the front on, I'm not going out, I'm going to watch tv, be quiet, my little one is playing (making a great big mess). I just can't do it today. It's like the great thick fog has descended on me and I'm suffocating with the weight of it.

But enough of me, what I wanted to say is that I might not post on here often after this, but I do lurk and read your posts, they resonate with me deeply. I think of you all everyday and the struggles that we all face. If there is anything I have gleaned from all this, it is that life isn't all roses, I used to hear of things happening to other people, feel very bad for them and then go back to my life feeling grateful that it wasn't me. Now I find myself realising that this is my life, I'm jealous of the old me and there is no going back.

I'm sending you all love today and everyday, I wanted to pop by and say hello, and I do draw comfort from your words. xxxx

HeavenlyE · 04/02/2014 11:27

theday your post prompted me to post too. So much of it resonates. My baby son (almost 1) died 2 months ago. I have generally been avoiding people so haven't had to deal with people's attitudes too much.

It is so hard that people 'move on' and don't realise that our grief and sadness will be there forever.

I am sorry you are having a tough day. I feel so new on this path that I don't feel able to give advice from experience but I would think that you have to do whatever gets you through.

I have also been lurking rather than posting - I have recently registered with a closed forum which is also helpful.

DH and I found out what E died of last week - as we suspected, something treatable in hospital (epiglottitis), and it has raised up all our feelings of guilt. There was a sign that we 'missed' - saw his chest raising up and down a lot but did not realise this was serious - which sounds idiotic now that I think about it. A quick google would have shown that he needed to be taken to a&e straight away.

Hello to everyone else on the thread. Thinking of you and your children Thanks

diamondlizard · 04/02/2014 12:24

Hi the day, welcome

I'm glad you decided to post instead of lurk and I hope people here can help you

I don't think I can, as I feel the fog has fallen on me and struggle as I do to try and get out of the fog I just can't ATM
I will keep trying

I'm finding it vv tough with htc he pressure to move on
I know I'm vvvv lucky to have dd, I know I'm vvvv lucky to have ds
And I am v thankful and grateful
I have a nice home and a nice life
Good dh on the whole!
Yet nothing changes the wet my heart feels like it weighs a thousand tons over ds1

I personally ime think people in general think it doesn't matter as much if it's a baby that dies, it's like they see him as less important

Plus he died in hospital after he was born so lots of people didn't really meet him so to them it's like he didn't exist

I hope some of the there come along v soon and say something much more cheerful to you than I can
As I don't want to make you feel worse
But I can certainly understand just how you feel
You post really reonates with me