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shabbatheGreek · 23/07/2013 10:10

This special thread was started in 2008. Its a special place - one which nobody would ever willingly come to. I hope we pay tribute to our lost children by helping each other. xxxx

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diamondlizard · 04/02/2014 12:55

Heavenly e
Please do not feel guilty
I know you will regardless of whatever I or anyone else said and there's not a single mother that's lost a child that doesn't in someway feel guilty
I know for me, my ds1 died from heart problems
And I grew him in my body so therefore I do feel guilty
But I do think we all need to try our best to understand we should not feel guilty
This is the last thing any of us wanted
And I think guilt is one of the worse emotions anyone can feel

thedaymylifestoodstill · 04/02/2014 12:55

Thanks for your messages HeavenlyE and Diamondlizard.

Heavenly I am so very very sorry to read of your baby and so recently too. The very early weeks for me were so surreal and I was constantly bombarded with emotions, I can't remember much of it now. It is sad but also a strange comfort to know that we are not alone in this awful journey (although I wouldn't wish it on anyone) Hope that makes sense and is not meant to offend?

From what I know, epiglottis is quite rare isn't it? So you wouldn't have automatically known what to do, I know with my other DC I wouldn't have recognised the breathing you describe as being a worry. I know you will blame yourself and unfortunately it is part of being a parent and part of the grieving process, but it wasn't your fault. It really, really wasn't. I'm sending you a huge hug. I post on a private forum too as although I love MN and I can really relate to the bereavement forum, the ladies here talk so well about their feelings, I've realised that there are others on here who might identify me, and I feel like I don't want to 'out' myself just yet.

Diamond, please don't worry you didn't make me feel worse. Again, I'm sorry you are struggling too. My baby died in hospital after only a few hours so no-one apart from DH, me and my other DC saw her. I feel too that if they'd have seen her, they'd have understood why I am so bereft. I can understand how you feel. I have two other DCS and people expect me to look at how lovely they are and think that I should remember how lucky I am. Yes I am fortunate to have them, but my other baby was a human being in her own right, with her own personality and her own character. That's what I mourn. Seeing her grow up. Just being her.

The fog is awful, isn't it? It suffocates me, sometimes it lifts so I can see a bit clearer, but on the days when it descends, well, I should just write off the whole day.

I think people think that getting over means you've forgotten and drawn a line under what's happened. It makes them feel better. To think that people can triumph over adversities and come out the 'other side'. It makes a nice, neat, happy ending. Like in the films. But, the reality is, there is no getting over, you get on with, you walk with the pain and sometimes you might enjoy things. But that should never be mistaken for closure. And that is what makes me cross.

I'm tired and I don't want to put on a show. I don't wanted to be carted out to the family, with a fake smile, to make them all feel better. It all seems so fake to me and I struggle with doing that. Yet with doing that, I become the one with the problem, the outcast. In a way, I can kind of see how they are thinking because before this happened to me, I had experienced death of relatives, grandparents etc and although very sad, I was able to deal with it a whole lot better and revert to self very quickly. So from an outsiders POV it would seem the same with the loss of a child and I can imagine that although in the past I hope I wouldn't have judged someone, I would maybe start to feel sad for them, but also wonder why they couldn't start to see the joy in life. I get angry with myself for having thought like that.

Have you read 'An Exact Replica…' by Elizabeth McCracken? One of her last lines was that "it's a happy life, but someone is missing' or something like that anyway. I know exactly what she means, like you say, our DC bring us great joy, and we are fortunate for what we do have, but we will also be incredibly sad for the person who is missing.

I'm sorry for the essay. Sending you love. Love to you all xxx

LilyTheSavage · 04/02/2014 17:56

Hello everybody.

I haven't "talked" to you yet theday but I'm so very sorry about your baby. I completely understand what you mean about struggling with people who just think that life goes on. I sometimes feel very angry that other peoples' life does just go on, but for me it completely stood still the day my DS died. I've been looking at pictures and it sometimes feels completely unreal that he's actually gone. The whole grief and bereft-ness is all consuming sometimes.

It's that mask that we put on and take off. I had dinner with a close friend last night and another friend of hers who I hadn't met before. My friend wanted to introduce us because very sadly, her DS died almost a year ago aged 34. I won't go into the circumstances, but suffice to say, she is just as grief-stricken, even though he'd been ill for so many years. My friend called me this morning to see if I was ok because she said that last night at dinner was the first time she'd ever seen what Paddy's death had really meant and done to me. I said that I was a better actress than she knew. It's that mask that we put on and take off. I don't always feel that I can say what I need or want to say in public, and I don't want to burden my friends. Sometimes I want to pretend that he's still alive and nothing has happened, just for a minute, but then that overwhelming sadness descends again.

It's been almost 6 months. Half a year. A lifetime for some but yet a split second. Yesterday and an eternity. Twenty one years, five months and three days of having him with us. So much. Too little.

I need a glass of wine after all that!

Wine for you all.

shabbs · 04/02/2014 21:21

32 years since my 7 month old twin boy died and 22 years since my DS3 (7 years) was knocked down and killed by a reversing lorry.

I promise all of you - especially new Mums - it does become a little easier to live with. You dont 'get over it' or 'work through it' it just becomes a different life. Now I mainly remember my sons with laughter and smiles but it has taken many years. xx

diamondlizard · 04/02/2014 22:01

Shabbs when did you find it start to get easier?

MiaAlexandrasmummy · 04/02/2014 23:03

Hello all. Such honest, heart-rending posts today…

I am two and a bit years walking down this 'crappy path'. I am here ahead of you. And Shabba and many others, sadly, are ahead of me, and I can honestly say that their strength guided me along, and helped me so much. Like you, I remember asking about when I might feel differently, when the pain would not be so acute, when I might be able to wake in the morning and my first act of the day would be something other than crying… I needed to believe so much that I would be able to remember Mia, and love her, but somehow find a way again in life.

From my little viewing platform here, we all walk through a series of mountains and valleys. The first valley is the deepest and darkest. And then you begin to walk up such a tiring, steep mountain, trying to find your way back. It is all new terrain, and you are frightened, and oh, so alone. Then slowly, imperceptibly, the path becomes less steep. You only know this when you look back and see how far you have come. You have travelled a desolate, barren landscape, but it means that when you find beauty, or discover a happy thought, they become so much more precious.

And you realise, that all this time, you carry your child safely nestled in your heart. Always loved. A part of you forever.

LilyTheSavage · 04/02/2014 23:15

Oh mia's. As you so often do, I think you've hit the nail right on the head. (I'll let you know when I get there).

I am waiting for the day when I can hold happy memories in my mind and heart and them not be crowded out by sadness and grief. It's such a battle and people like you and Shabbs show us all the way.
Thank you.
Love and light.

shabbs · 04/02/2014 23:18

Mias speaks the absolute truth.

A time of peace does come....I think that there is a different time scale for every individual. However the longing, for me, to see my boys again and look at the men they have now become, is at times consuming and overwhelming xxxx

diamondlizard · 04/02/2014 23:59

Im almost two years on the crappy path and feel guilty for saying how I feel
as if I feel a duty to tell others on the start of the path it gets easier

I guess it does get easier to bear. And theresonger gaps between the bad times
but im close to my ds anniversary
so dont listen to whiney old me right now
Hopefully I will pull up a bit soon

LoveAndDeath · 05/02/2014 00:14

theday, the way I see it, it will never be ok that my little girl died. Never, ever, ever.
I will never look at a little girl who is the age she should be and not think "She should be like that"
I will never get over it, I won't heal, not because I don't want to heal, not because I deliberately want to wallow or stew in a pool of grief but because that's the way it is.
I will carry on because there isn't another path for me except to carry on. You don't die of a broken heart. You sellotape the bits of your heart back together and go on, feeling a bit less complete.

LoveAndDeath · 05/02/2014 00:18

Someone else said the other day that God had given me an angel to watch over me.
I said "Well, I just wish, then, that he'd left her here and given someone else the job of watching over me!"
Who puts a 7 week old baby in charge of watching over a 42 year old woman?

shabbs · 05/02/2014 06:45

Morning girls xx

thedaymylifestoodstill · 05/02/2014 07:53

Morning ladies

Shabbs, thank you for your advice - you're right, it is a different life and not what I could have expected. Is it possible to make it a happy life or is it a happy/sad life? Can I say from all the posts I've read, I feel I know you in a way, your sons, your grandson, and it makes me think of you very fondly.

Lily thank you for your comment and yes, I do understand the mask. It's hard isn't it, I think that's what I envy of others - that they don't have to wear a mask in order to try and make it through the day (or maybe they do as well, but we don't know about it). I'm so sorry about your son, 21 years is not long enough and it's incomprehensible that he can no longer be here. That's what I struggle with, anyway.

Mias, thank you for your post, I'm hoping at some point too to be able to look back from my 'viewing platform' and just soak in the the warmth of my love for my baby. I've read all your posts too and I think of your family often. How is Mia's Wood coming along? Such a beautiful idea.

Diamond, please don't think you are whining, I would imagine I would feel exactly the same especially coming up to anniversaries - it takes you back to the time, when there was hope, when there could have been a different outcome, when your life was different. That's a lot to handle at any time, especially with small children to look after too. I find that doubly draining as although I know it's ok for my DC to see me upset, I have to try and put on some kind of front and that is hard. When it was my baby's six month anniversary I became a mess all over again, spent time in bed, couldn't function. That's the way it went for me. Here's a big hug for you and understanding x

Love, hello and thank you too. I remember reading about your little girl and send you love too. The sellotape analogy works quite well for me, I understand what you are saying. Wasn't your little girl called Sylvie-Rose? I remembered her name, so lovely! And as for the 'God wanting another angel' no, I don't ascribe to that belief, the best place for all our children is here on this earth with their loving parents - after all, isn't that what God created the family for? To love and be loved, with us? It makes my blood boil, along with the comments of others who have had sick children and said they survived because God made it happen. Then what are you saying about my child? That God thought they weren't good enough? No, I don't believe that. Stupid, mindless comments.

Do you ladies find that peoples attitude to how you are grieving changes? Also, how do you deal with those 'friends' who have disappeared off the face of the earth? Do you tell them how you feel or leave it?

Anyway, thank you so much ladies. Even if I don't post much, I'm here, I'm reading, I'm on this crappy path too.

Love to you all and strength for today xxxxx

shabbs · 05/02/2014 10:12

I would say that it is a happy and sad life. When a problem arises - for instance my dear parents are both very, very ill at the moment - it feels like the world is going to fall down around my ears. The worry, at times, overwhelms me and feels like it is going to drown me. Most days, to others, I am coping fine and everything is wonderful...but I have become a master in the art of deceit!!

LilyTheSavage · 05/02/2014 10:58

I had dinner with a dear friend the other evening and we got to talking about Paddy. I was quite upset and she commented that she never knew that I was such a good actress. Oscar winning were in fact her actual words.
I think there's an element of the actress in all of us.

thedaymylifestoodstill · 05/02/2014 11:10

Oh Shabbs, sorry about your mum and dad. It's all unfair. So unfair. :(

Lily, I've just come into work, put on a brave face and now I'm in tears. Life is really getting me down at the moment. I know the actress feeling.

Mojito100 · 05/02/2014 13:56

Chip monkey. Your quote brought me to tears. This time of year is hard for me with my darling dd having left me 5 years ago just before she turned 5. Your quote sums up exactly how I act and feel each and every day.

LilyTheSavage · 05/02/2014 19:37

Not an actress today. I just went to bed this afternoon. The mask was too heavy to wear any more.

shabbs · 06/02/2014 07:51

Morning girls xx

LilyTheSavage · 06/02/2014 08:13

Morning shabbs. How're you doing today?

shabbs · 06/02/2014 09:48

Morning love....just putting one foot in front of the other and trying to remember to breathe Smile Managed to get my parents GP to do a home visit today - they love him and just him visiting will cheer them up - they are the 'old generation' who think Doctors and nurses are Gods who must be obeyed!! xx

LilyTheSavage · 06/02/2014 15:27

Grin for the god-like doctor! My parents are the same.

My day is better than yesterday. I am up and dressed and haven't gone back to bed yet. It's raining though which doesn't do much for lifting the spirits.

shabbs · 07/02/2014 00:55

Roll on the Summer.....and lets hope there is plenty of sunshine xxx

shabbs · 07/02/2014 08:24

Morning girls xx

diamondlizard · 07/02/2014 19:08

When your asked how many children you have what do you say

Just been to soft play with dd and ds2 after school
Was asked how many children you have
Came home and burst into tears
Luckily dd is playing upstairs

Fuck feel like such a shit and such a failure at times

I feel like an odd ball telling a stranger that ds2 is my third but I only have one other living child

Or if I say two I feel like a total shit denying ds1 total existence
:(

Feel like I can't win

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