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Nosy Neighbour intimidating me re 15 months tantrums/crying

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Bluebella · 26/07/2009 10:32

Hello all,

I am a single mum of 27 years old. We have been battling with early morning risings and on advice from HV, she said if he wakes up at 5.30am, just don't get him out of the cot, go into reasure him, and say 'It's not time to get up yet', and leave him to cry.

More often than not after 20 mins of crying he would go back to sleep. I thought great, he just needs to learn that it's not time to get up.

I was aware that he was being quite noisy in the mornings, so I put a short note through the door of my next door neigbour, who is also a single mum to two teenage daughters.

A few days later I got a very strongly worded letter through the door, which I found quite offensive. She was saying that it was cruel to let DS cry, it was an acceptable time to get up, it is not unheard of for babies to get up this early, she thinks I should get up with him and give him milk/breakfast etc etc.... She said her family canot put up with the crying any more, and DS is waking them all up, and they cannot cope with having to wake up so early, so i should be getting up with him. It really was quite a strong letter and implied that I didn't know what I was doing. She refered to me as a young mum too, which she has done before, which I find offensive, while I AM young, I am not a YOUNG mum in teens or early twenties, I am a professional person, a Team Manager in a call centre, and I am perfectly competeant to deal with my son.

YES I know that I do need to respect the neighbours, and had she just said 'Could yoiu try to keep it down in the mornings' then I really wouldn't have been so upset. It's just the way she tried to tell me what I was doing wrong etc...

Anyways so I decided to go and see her, and tell her that I was very upset because I do not feel I am being cruel to DS and this was on HV advice etc.... trouble is, she was so 'nice to me' that all my 'strong will' intentions to stand up for myself went out the window. I told her I would try to minimise the crying in the mornings.

THEN, I was too upset to even stay at my house that night, that I went to stay at my EX's house... which I would never do, but I really didn't want to go back to my house, I didn't feel comfortable with going there and was scared in case DS was noisy.

Obviously I did have to go back the next day, and when DS woke at 5am, I was too scared to let him cry that I scooped him out of bed, and tried to cuddle him back to sleep in bed, but he just thought it was time toget up and I ended up getting up at this ridiculous hour!! Same thing happened the next day, and now he is getting in the habbit of getting up even earlier because I am too frightended for him to wake the neighbours up... Yes I tried giving him milk etc... but nothing helps if I take him o ut of the cot he thinks its time to start the day and wants to go downstairs...

The other day in the day time, DS was having a BIG tantrum - because I took the cherio packet away from him... it caused a huge meltdown.... absolutely kicking and screaming and rolling around hysterical. I was trying to give him the cheerios in a little pot rather than out of the packet. Nothing would calm him, i.e. Drink/Cuddles/the packet of cherios back/fruit ect.... he was just hysterical. NEXT thing I know - next door neighbour at the door banging...

She is come to see if everything is OK, and to say her 15 year old daugter can take DS out for a walk if I need a break. I was gobsmacked! Maybe she was being kind, but I felt like she is implying I can't handle DS and need time off!! I really woduln't want her 15 year old daughter to go out with him! If he was to go out for a walk I would be absolutely happy to take him myself! We weren't going for a walk because we were shortly going out to meet a friend for lunch and I wante dthe tantrum to pass so I could get DS ready. I really felt like she was checking up on me, and it made me feel like shit.

Maybe she is just trying to be nice, and helpful, but I felt - I can't even let DS have his tantrum without being 'checked up on'.

Later on I went round there because I wanted to make sure she knew that I wasn't a young mum, and that I am only 3 years off 30. I also talked to her about what a demanding child DS can be and he does cry a lot and I can't help that he has this type of personality, he has always been high need.

Has any one else had to deal with a anything like this before? What do I do about the mornings? Is it really unreasonable for me to let him cry if its before 6am? IMO beofre 6am its too early to get up.

Oh I Just feel like moving house! How dramatic is that!

xxx

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Bluebella · 26/07/2009 17:32

p.s but now I am beginning to understand that this is the 'style' of the forum, so little more chilled about that I guess

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mollyroger · 26/07/2009 17:35

You reminded me BB, I had my first at 27 but I looked a lot younger. I went to a church toddler group and the women who ran it took me aside and told me there was a special group for ''mums like me'' and would I like to come to that.
I was geniunely baffled and thought, did she mean ''ugly? scrawny?'' Red-head?''

Turns out she meant for teen mums...

Lifeinagoldfishbowl · 26/07/2009 17:44

BB

For a 15 month old I would be looking at around 2-2.5 hour sleep during the day preferably after lunch.

You say you work - what childcare do you use? would they be willing to leave him to sleep for that duration to see if he then slept through the night ?

Also have you thought about the wake to sleep?

lucymum2four · 26/07/2009 17:48

whats wrong with being a young mum??

You make it sound asthough anybody who is a young mum, wouldnt be able to cope..

so what your accusing your neighbour you in turn are doing yourself.. (Judging)

I was/am a young mum and also very competent
my children are very happy & have everything they need/want
with the best love & care myself and their father could give them.

Bluebella · 26/07/2009 17:52

Lucymum2four - I would hope that you wuold understand, that what I am saying is, that SHE is the one judging that a young mum cannot cope - Not I.

I am 27, and have much life expereince in many area's, and I wanted her to know that, and that I wasn't in early twenties, or Late teens, because SHE may be thinking that I may be finding it all a strugle being on my own., because SHE may think young mums find it harder.

Never said that I think they do.

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Bluebella · 26/07/2009 18:01

Lifeinagoldfishbowl - he goes to a nursery - he never ever sleeps that long in the day no way.

He's NEVER been a good sleeper at all.

Trouble with DS is that even to go down for his nap in the day time, he SCREAMS for 20 mins! He always screams to go to sleep - unless he falls asleep in his pram of course.

Nursery actually rock him to sleep in a bouncer and then transfer him to cot.

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AitchTwoOh · 26/07/2009 18:04

have you thought about taking him to see a cranio-sacral chiropractor? he sounds like he might be in a bit of pain.

Bluebella · 26/07/2009 18:16

no, he's not in pain, he's healthy and is fine playing, he just get's upset when he is to be put to sleep.

Do you know any one that has had a needy or high maintenance baby? You should look at some of the other posts on here regarding them if you are not sure what I mean.

DS is a very happy little boy, full of charm and characteristic, but he is one of those babies that does cry a lot, usually for some silly reason, like we have to leave some where, or take something away from him.

I think I would know if my baby is in pain. Especially as if he is crying before bed, if I go in, and cuddle him, he is fine, and smileing at me sweetly because I am cuddling him.

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AitchTwoOh · 26/07/2009 18:19

okay, i give in.

i have a friend who thought her baby boy was high needs, who was a very sweet kid etc etc etc but he yelled every time he was put into his cot. one trip to the chiro and no more screaming. his neck had been hurt at some point, apparently and it just took a small manipulation to put right. friend had no idea, but was very glad for the correction.

i've no idea what's motivating you to be so chippy, tbh. your enormous RL fan club is welcome to you.

Lifeinagoldfishbowl · 26/07/2009 18:19

BB I don't think Aitch was being critical - I also wondered if he needed to see a chiropractor as one of the children I looked after had a hard time relaxing and sleeping and after a trip to the chiropracter was a different child completely.

I would try and get the nursery to get him back to sleep again when he wakes as you do as he sounds like he is getting into a cycle of being tired but not being able to sleep long enough to sort out the tiredness.

Also quite shocked at your nursery using a bouncer to get a 15 month old to sleep!!

littlelamb · 26/07/2009 18:23

Stop with the Aitch bashing My ds is the very definition of high maintenance, which came as a bloody great shock after dd being the most laid back baby in the world. The first year of his life was frankly a blur because I never got more than an hours sleep at a time. I don't know what more people can say to help you, you are 'sure' that none of these things will work

Bluebella · 26/07/2009 18:24

Do you not think I have mentioned it to the HV that he can be grumpy? Do you not think after 15 months that I would have seeked advice?

My son is a HAPPY child. He loves playing with his toys and playing with me and other kids. He has a strong personality, and knows what he wants. I am only explaining to you that no, I do not think he is in pain, when most of the time he plays fine and is content. He laughs all the time. When he has his 'tantrums' / 'cry before sleep' (and i may add thats not EVERY night, many nights he goes down straight away), there is always a tangible reason for his 'episode' of crying, it's not because he is in sudden pain.

I take your point, but was just replying to you that I don't think he's in pain. I didn't know if you had ever dealt with a more difficult child. My friends daughter and my sisters daughter are angel babies, and are good of gold all, well the majority of the time, so maybe you have a child like that and didn't have expericence with a more high need baby.

He is not terrible, he has glowing reports at nursery and the staff love him, he's a joy - just very dertermined.

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MovingOutOfBlighty · 26/07/2009 18:24

Hi Bluebella - haven't read the middle section of this so hope no repetition.

We also have a ds who makes it to 6am if we are lucky. He is 22 months.

The only way we have found recently to get him to sleep a bit longer is to leave a bottle of milk at the end of his cot. He wakes, I wake, he cries, finds milk, slurp (I listen out for this in case of choking) then merrily drops back to sleep sometimes even until 7. Sometimes I do too! im sure alot of folk will say this is the wrong way to deal, but we have tried EVERYTHING!!
The only other way we deal is to take him infront of TV and watch the news. I dont play or anything until 7. I basically flop and switch my brain off. I am in bed by 9.30 every night.

5.30 starts make the day so LOOOOOOOOOONG!!! I do feel for your neighbour though and would take up offer of any babysitting just so you can have a break.

ForExample · 26/07/2009 18:25

Can I just ask Bluebella, what was the motivation to leave Netmums and post here instead?

littlelamb · 26/07/2009 18:26
Bluebella · 26/07/2009 18:28

Aitch bashing? I thought this forum was supposed to be a bit quirky, you know a bit 'full on' etc....

I was only stating back that I didn't think he is in pain.

I am not asking for more advice, how many times have i said ' what good tips hints ' people have given me here. I am not 'sure' none of these will work, I am grateful for the advice.

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Bluebella · 26/07/2009 18:29

I still use netmums, haven't actually left there at all I love it, it's great. I was looking up my sons condition, 4th nerve cranial palsy and wanted to post about it on here to see if any one had experience of it.

Glowing reports I just meant that he is getting on really well.

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Bluebella · 26/07/2009 18:31

MovingOutOfBlighty - thank you , thats something I haven't tried yet, with milk in the cot.

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ForExample · 26/07/2009 18:32

As in, why post this here, instead of Netmums?

And your sons specialist is certain his condition doesn't cause him distress/pain?

AitchTwoOh · 26/07/2009 18:33

who said he was terrible? nobody has commented on his happiness or otherwise.

fwiw, i nannied for years, i'm the eldest of four and i've got two kids of my own, so yes, i've met a few children in my time. i was just trying to help you. once again, i'm not sure what you wanted here, you clearly know what you're doing.

btw when i took my dd1 to the chiro, she slept for five hours immediately afterwards, despite having just woken from a nap immediately prior to the appointment. i wasn't even taking her there for sleep-related reasons, it was just an added bonus.

ForExample · 26/07/2009 18:34

I don't mean that crossly - just seen my post, it looks a bit short tempered - it's a genuine query.

MovingOutOfBlighty · 26/07/2009 18:35

Honestly, Bluebella, it has been a godsend to us. Its strange but it really seems to settle him for a while longer, and he wakes later and seems so much less grumpy. As am I!

I'm sure I am going to feel a world of pain at some point when this fails as well, but for the past month it has bought me an amazing extra 1.5 hours extra of sleep. I was really fed up with watching BBC news!

Bluebella · 26/07/2009 18:35

WHy post here? Thought I'd try it out, why not, a crime?

Do you know anything about that condition?

Nope, no pain, nothing really apart from a slight squint when he is lying backwards.

It's to do with eye movements.

He's really not in pain, he goes to sleep after 10/15 mins if he is upset before bedtime, he's just tired and fighting sleep

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Bluebella · 26/07/2009 18:37

MovingOutOfBlighty - lol I;ll give it a go x

Its OK FOr Example, I don't know just thought I'd try another forum too.

Thats interesting Aitch, will look into it, b ut my istinct is he just likes cuddles with mummy.

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AitchTwoOh · 26/07/2009 18:38

whatever works, blighty.